Gaddafi leaves Libya: Report

News here from Venezuela.
The rumors turned out false, there will be no welcome for Kadafi here,at least that's the "official" story.
Bythe way,to those who asked, Chavez is Kadafi's friend. He even gave a copy of Bolivar's sword to him, and condecorated him.

Tell me who your friends are.....
Hope the revolution comes here to latinamerica, although, there's a lot of work to do in africa

by the way, the lack of thread activity on this subject is impressive.
300 dead so far.
And nobody here is interested unlessl the words "america" "nwo" or "ufo" come up

reply to post by metodex


Yup...kinda sad really but real stuff isnt as fun as made up stuff lol.
People stick their heads in the sand and hope this wont affect them....get real people this middle east revolution will affect us all eventually.

Originally posted by metodex
by the way, the lack of thread activity on this subject is impressive.
300 dead so far.
And nobody here is interested unlessl the words "america" "nwo" or "ufo" come up

I am Shocked too at the lack of responses to these middle east topics.

The worst thing about this is that Libyans have gone out and put a plea to the people of the world for help and I haven't seen one country lift a finger yet. I understand that many other countries in the area are in the same boat but it would be prudent for a country that has the means to do so to step in and provide assistance. It could prove to turn out to be a VERY beneficial relationship for everyone.

It's obvious that the people don't want Gadhafi in power any longer and it's really insane of him to try and stay in there. He should take a hint and get out. It's time that the dictators of the world understand that a true democratic society is emerging world wide. We want to choose for ourselves.

Also another thing I find disturbing is here in America we televised the whole ordeal with Egypt as there was something to gain from them winning democracy in their land yet when Libya stands up for themselves we don't hear much about it. Especially that the army opened fire on its own citizens. I have seen videos on here and heard stories about the revolution in Libya that I would never had seen if I was only paying attention to MSM. If I had the money I'd organize my own private army to help the citizens of Libya and any other country that asks for it in order to remove dictatorships around the world.

Originally posted by Stormdancer777

Originally posted by metodex
by the way, the lack of thread activity on this subject is impressive.
300 dead so far.
And nobody here is interested unlessl the words "america" "nwo" or "ufo" come up

I am Shocked too at the lack of responses to these middle east topics.

Que serait ... there's not a lot you or I can do, and not a lot our governments can do either. Obviously we all welcome the prospect of a more open, transparent, democratic Middle East, but hey, these things take time... at least this time it's all happening from within so no extremist can shout 'foul play' and burn a few US/UK flags. We just have to take a back seat here I'm afraid.

Hey poster from venezuela! How's it going? I've been reading up on Chavez and have to say I find him quite an admirable bloke. I had an incredible vid in view but my entire history got deleted somehow & now I can't locate it. It was incredible: it outlined & gave documentary proof showing how the west [mainly the US] and the media had conspired to oust him for some corporate puppet. I couldn't believe it... here was proof at last as to what lengths a government would go to in order to derail true democratic elections by attempting to place their own guy in power. The lies and character slurs... yet this man has worked tirelessly for his people.... how do you feel about the situation over there?

Originally posted by brill
I want to see the fat royal Saudi's on a jet out of town (assuming they'd fit in the plane). Each passing day american colonialism is losing her foothold and arguably her reign over these nations.

brill

What does Libya have to do with American hegemony?

If anything, as America demand reforms across the Middle East and liberal progressive republics are born, our influence is growing.

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Help how? What do you think the falling governments will do if any foreign personell get on their soil? My guess is that they would be taken out. I doubt politics would do anything to help the people. Only thing I could think of would military force to back any humanitarian aid.

What would the world say if America landed boots on heir soil?

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This power vacuum will empower the islamic radicals to fill that void --- with a caliphate.

reply to post by Clisen33


Fair enough, I think that if an army arrived with the intentions of helping the citizens with the understanding that afterward they are only there until what is needed is established then leave it would be fine. In reality I hate to say it but I think that a little covert help would be what is actually needed. Take out the entire Gadhafi family and the problem is eliminated, at least in that sense. What I truly think is needed however is not American boots but other M.E. boots who are friendly to democracy and Libya alike to land for assistance. It would show a great bond that the Middle Easterners can share. Personally, I don't see the difference but culturally I think it would make a bigger impact.

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reply to post by HellstormRising


Yeah you may be right. You made me wonder why is it that western countries seem to be the ones to help? Why can't other pro democratic middle eastern countries help?

Hello Chocise.
America wasn't behind the 2001coup.The People was,and the millitary backed chavez up.The military is corrupt and chavez is yet another military softatorship communist.Not a hero.Get AWAY from the propaganda.Being against america doesn't make you a hero or a democratic god. Get some criteria of your own.

And to all, what's worrying people all around is that, although ousting your local tyrant is good, leaving the country with a vacuum or with a military junta in charge is not a good thing either.Tyrants are not middle east's only problem. Radical islam is the biggest one i can think of. Hope some peaceful secular government gets there, or at least a PEACEFUL islamic one,wich seems hard.

reply to post by Clisen33


What pro-democratic Middle Eastern nations?

There is'nt one!!!

As for the USA; their military are nation destroyers, not nation builders.

reply to post by bluemirage5


Israel is democratic, the Muslim Brotherhood even has seats in the Knesset. Turkey is somewhat democratic, as long as your not Kurdish.

I guess the US military didn't help rebuild Europe, especially Germany, after WW2? Didn't do much in Japan or Asia either I guess? South Korea? Kuwait? Bosnia? We have built tons of projects in Afghanistan. Kabul use to look like the moon. Not anymore.

WOW!

I NEVER thought I would see the day....

Dictators are falling around the whole of the Middle East. I just hope Islamists don't seize on the chaos to install their Sharia dictatorships.

reply to post by metodex

I agree. I've been following this since early Friday (here), and there's been very little interest. Bahrain with it's relatively few deaths got a lot more attention, and that one is just about over.

As for Gaddafi, I don't believe he's left. I think as his son said, they will fight to the bitter end.

Originally posted by wingsfan
funny, cnn just showed his son on tv. he said they ain't going nowhere.

He could leave without abdicating...

Just sayin'

Years ago I developed a fascination with Gaddafi, and followed his actions quite closely, as it was possible.
I became convinced that he is quite mentally ill. I believe he has one of the major mental illnesses; one of the thought disorders.

Mentally ill people have a very, very difficult time with stress. It exacerbates whatever difficulties they might have. When I think of the stress he is under now, and as mentally/emotionally unstable as he is, it's a scary thought.

Of course it can run either way. He could wind up in the fetal position with his thumb in his mouth mumbling gibberish, until his family hides him, or it could go another way. Let's hope he goes completely, and *quietly*, insane - (er) -- until his family gives in to the notion that he is incompetent to "rule".

Originally posted by metodex
Hello Chocise.
America wasn't behind the 2001coup.

Sorry, they were. The people voted for Chavez, not once, but EIGHT times [in 10 yrs]. He came to power not through any manipulation, but through the people of the country, through an over whelming majority. The US attempted to place a corporate puppet in the chair, but the PEOPLE wouldn't have it, and all this after a damming campaign whereby the media were engaged full swing. I have never witnessed anything of the kind before, and no longer take for granted my own 'free press'. When folk complain about media monopolies it's damn right they should, and I see that now. The way the press & TV were manipulated was shocking, truly it was. If there could be any doubt a power like the US would inhibit democracy in one of its neighbours for its own ends there is no doubt now. That they would do so, under the guise of democracy, is as insulting as it despicable. Chavez was NOT the tyrant here. Let's have some clarity.

He's continually & openly pledged he is against corruption. In an area rife with it he has his work cut out for sure, but he's done what no other politician has attempted before: ploughed back into the country the profits of the nation's oil reserves. It's no wonder the west doesn't understand him... his socialist ideals are totally alien to their capitalist dogma. He stresses again & again, over & over, in any interview you care to watch, that democracy is key to government. I haven't met a single Venezuelan native who isn't impressed with what Chavez is trying to do and what, to some extent, he's already accomplished [Venezuelan GDP topped 8% before the global economic downturn] so can only assume you're an ex-pat who was taken in by the media BS. And BS it truly was.

I wish I could pull that documentary out the bag, you'd have absolutely NO DOUBT who the real villains are.

EDIT: not quite what I was looking for, but John Pilger's report is on the money: