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Is Above Top Secret a Public Debunking Website for the Government?

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posted on Feb, 20 2011 @ 09:31 PM
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Hay! You're right I fell for a few. Weird... It could be they are compulsive liars, they tend to believe all this stuff but then try to cover it up I have found. But it definitely is weird to realize that we are definitely being watched. They watch 4Chan.




posted on Feb, 20 2011 @ 09:40 PM
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Originally posted by 9Cib27
Does anyone notice that the first two posted completely tried to debunk my thus said statement?

That being said, obviously my statement is true that there is too many debunkers on ATS

Poster #2 is clearly government psyops. Post #1 may just be a jerk
I had to go back and reread your post and I still can not find where you ever said a word about the staff. As this is a member drive site it is easy to access and any debunker would be a idiot to come on here as more than a poster. I have no problem with people that investigate and disprove a theory That is what were are here for,but there are those who argue every point. With no proof. If you dont believe any of this stuff why are you here on a site like this?



posted on Feb, 20 2011 @ 10:41 PM
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I don't think ATS is working for the government but I do wish they would change the mantra, Deny Ignorance, as it seems par for the course for those trollish stalwarts on here to simply deny everything!



posted on Feb, 20 2011 @ 10:52 PM
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You have a choice in life.

You can believe everything you hear. (And thus be contradictory and insane).

You can refuse to believe anything you hear. (And thus being blind and deaf).

Or you can attempt to sift through the haystack to find your morsel of truth. This is what we call "Common Sense", although you may find that it's rarity is rather uncommon.

Sure there are Corporate, Religious, and Government agents here purposely to do dirty deeds. But they are often times inept, and slow to adapt. They probably only succeed 9 times out of 10 tries, which gives them a dismal record of failures. That's the system for you though, it's a dinosaur.

The true value of ATS is the fact that you and I get to post our opinions and theories here and find protection in the solaces of this sanctuary.

Basically what I am saying is this :
ATS could be run by the gov't or whatever, and it doesn't make a difference.

This is our chance to speak up and get the word out about issues we think are important. To educate people about things we may feel they do not know that much about. To help others solve their complex problems.

Trust me there is nothing to fear except fear itself !
We all die anyways, maybe even tomorrow.

So....

Don't hide your true views because you think you are being watched.
Show your TRUE self BECAUSE they are watching. Let them see your glory!

Ask yourself, what is the point of life?
To hide in fear? Or stand up in defiance?



posted on Feb, 20 2011 @ 11:00 PM
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Originally posted by CholmondleyWarner
I don't think ATS is working for the government but I do wish they would change the mantra, Deny Ignorance, as it seems par for the course for those trollish stalwarts on here to simply deny everything!


I think the mantra is fine.
Ignorance is the lack of knowing something.

Deny Ignorance means do some research. Look things up. Think about things deeply and carefully. Share ideas with others and form corroboration. Use the community to help weed out failed ideals in order to improve upon those ideals which are winners.
ATS is a tool, use it for your own growth in knowledge.

You do NOT have to agree with anyone. But if you do disagree, please explain why to the best of your ability so that others will understand where the controversy is coming from.

Do not worry friend, the majority of us capable of any form of critical thinking at all, will quickly realize that some people just knee-jerk deny everything. This is the epitome of ignorance.

Denying everything means you end up at square one with nothing for sure.
The same could be said for believing everything without question.

Let us question everything. This will guide us naturally to the truth. Just question and think about it.

Deny Ignorance = Keep Questioning and Seeking Answers
edit on 20-2-2011 by muzzleflash because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 21 2011 @ 01:37 AM
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No. ATS is a privately owned and ran website and the owners have no affiliation with the government what so ever.
It wouldn't make difference whether ATS was in on it or not, this website has a load of Government paid debunkers, and who ever can't pick up on that fact is completely blind or one of them.



posted on Feb, 21 2011 @ 01:57 AM
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I seriously doubt that the government has anything to do with ATS. However, I do agree that some people here are a little to quick to call something a hoax or not. Most are probably not qualified to make a statement like that. I mean I used to analyze forensic audio, and now I edit video for a news station, but in no way could I have the ability to say whether a video is a hoax or not. That would take a forensic video expert. I seriously doubt there is one here.



posted on Feb, 21 2011 @ 03:55 AM
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How about a section for ideas seperate from the debunkers. No offence to you debunkers but you all work for the government and I value information. Hard evidence people a sign of these pigs is they don't provide evidence just hatred.



posted on Feb, 21 2011 @ 03:59 AM
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Well, I have to politely disagree with your statement and title of your thread "Is Above Top Secret a Public Debunking Website for the Government?". I don't think the governments of the world has the time or will to waste on a site such as ATS.

I haven't even been here a month and I have noticed one of these threads starting at least once a week. It's getting old. If there were government agents here on ATS, I believe they wouldn't be here to debunk conspiracies, they would be here (IMHO) to create confusion and/or distraction from ATS members by starting threads such as this. *focus here people, not there*

just my two cents



posted on Feb, 21 2011 @ 04:11 AM
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Originally posted by RustyShakleford92
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There is many things that the government does that you have absolutely no idea about, and you would never even guess. ATS never came close to touching on really sensitive things from what I've read.


Man, how stupid do they think we are? ATS never came close? Who is this guy and what is he doing on this website if he believes what he wrote?



posted on Feb, 21 2011 @ 06:11 AM
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If you dont think the government is involved with this website you are retarded.



posted on Feb, 21 2011 @ 08:41 AM
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"Above Top Secret!" - just the title would get my interest and make me feel a need to monitor the place, were I the one responsible for ensuring National Security/secrecy. Especially if I'd get the blame, should a leak happen, like they do.

Hmm.....wonder if this site is classed as a "Social Networking Site"...oh yes, it is.

So the MIC has software to create fake 'people', specifically to target Social Networking Sites for the express purpose of gathering sensitive information about citizens who could pose a 'security risk' by their beliefs, thoughts or actions.
Bearing in mind of course that this info is probably old news in actuality.

So...the MIC is known to be actively monitoring Social Networking Sites for sensitive information, but this site is exempt?

Ok. Right. Sure.

There's several techniques the layperson should make themselves aware of. One of them being the "Delphi Technique" (not quite the same as the Wiki description
) Although I've seen it used in public meetings, it's just as effective in online forums and debates for easy manipulation of public opinion. Seriously, when it's seen in action, you can't believe how effective it is.

As for your ratios though, I doubt it's that bad, I really do. If anything I'd say that this site could have maybe four paid disinfo agents tops, considering a fair unwitting few here do the disinfo job for them.



posted on Feb, 21 2011 @ 11:57 AM
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I am a person, and I am stupid, sure if you want to say that.

Want an example? Ukraine.... in the last 10 year period there was a really scandalous US action that took place there (had nothing to do with elections) that would have you hootin and hollarin. It is pretty damn unbelievable.

Never heard it mentioned here. Wasn't in the news, except a few Russian, Romanian, and Belorus newspapers touched upon it.

Try and find it.



posted on Feb, 21 2011 @ 02:25 PM
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posted on Feb, 21 2011 @ 03:38 PM
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and still, there aren't any places like ATS on the internet, things eventually quiet down, some of the impulse members get too lazy to even post one liners, the same hoaxes reappear again and again, or reiterations of the same topics spring anew according to unwritten laws of the Internet Forum of Ages...

They will always be watching, just be smart, be polite, and dont say more than you could, this sites popularity helps the members keep rotating, few stay, and those who do, eventually catch up to how this works.

The loons and the overreacters, the children and the wise, all congregate here its up to us not them.



posted on Feb, 21 2011 @ 07:15 PM
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Originally posted by WhizPhiz
this website has a load of Government paid debunkers, and who ever can't pick up on that fact is completely blind or one of them.


Well, well...just look at you "once again" making grand claims with no evidence to back it up.

Please, dear poster, can you point me to the direction that shows this site is infested with government agents?

Or shall I just "take your word for it", like I had to do in other threads where you made false statements with no proof to help support your claims?


Sorry friend, I'd much rather accept the words of a government spook who comes forward with some proof to back his point up, than just run amok believing some guy who makes stuff up.

MM



posted on Feb, 21 2011 @ 08:22 PM
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I can understand where you're coming from, but the fact remains that if something has been debunked........it's not the fault of ATS. Something gets debunked because it is bunk.

One cannot debunk solid, factual evidence.



posted on Feb, 21 2011 @ 08:28 PM
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Originally posted by 9Cib27
Does anyone notice that the first two posted completely tried to debunk my thus said statement?

That being said, obviously my statement is true that there is too many debunkers on ATS

Poster #2 is clearly government psyops. Post #1 may just be a jerk

Wow! This is the type of post that ruins the website. If you want to play the "I am in the know" game, or the "If you don't believe then you're a disinfo agent" then ATS is not the right place for you. We like to deny ignorance here, not believe everything because we read it on the net or heard it on History Channel.
I have encountered some of the smartest and most knowledgeable people here at ATS and I find it totally immature and ignorant to claim that someone is a gov. agent when you have absolutely no evidence to support your claim other than the fact that your view wasn't shared by them.

I state again; Only bunk gets debunked. If you enjoy bunk then visit David Icke sites where the lizard men roam.
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posted on Feb, 23 2011 @ 05:50 PM
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Oh wow... yeah the Government is on this Site, paying people to post here (No offense to the Mods and Admins, but you DO have paid trolls on this board)

The only question is: WHICH Government.... lol

In all seriousness.... The US government is paying pastors to speak about obeying the government.

They pass around leaflets to law enforcement officers that state that defenders of the constitution, or even people who support Ron Paul are "Terrorists"

They commonly infiltrate community organized events with paid "Informants"... and compared to the user base of ATS, those places are small fries.

We got Multi-Billion dollar corporate media shaping public opinion with a barrage of half truths, dismissive hand waives, and straw-men fallacies....

There are people, with AGENDA'S that want to control public opinion, and by extension, PRIVATE opinion.

They are GOING to be on this board.... Trust me.

You got people from the US Government, you got Raytheon people, Lockheed people, Democrats and Republicans, you got your Religious proponents of televangelists, and you got your True, died in the wool, Secret Government Rockefeller types who observe and sway with the most practiced psychological tactics.

They do this kind of thing EVERYWHERE... Even here.

Heck.. some of them might even be Mods... I mean, it stands to reason that a few people could get past the Admins Rigorous screening processes, as bulletproof as they might be, and become a paid dis-info agent with POWER on the board... it's not beyond the realm of credibility.

But the main thing to remember, is that there are MORE agenda's with money and power, than just the US Government, and even then... it's probably only a small group of power hungry people WITHIN the government... colluding against the people illegally.

Hence the word "Conspiracy"

You are going to find them ANYWHERE where honest debate about "Off" topics such as these will appear.

IT stands to reason, and frankly, I think it would be absolutely childish to assume that the US Government does NOT have some paid bloggers with keyboards... a virtual ARMY of opinion molders, and "Threat-assessment teams" running around the internet.

We got the Cyber Security Czar now... and Cyber security is all about information, and part of cyber security is about information Control, that old Devil... "Propaganda" it's called.

Honestly, this kind of thing isn't new.... it's been happening since before electricity, when city mayors bribed people to move into their town when the census taker was arriving, so that they could get the railroad built through that location.

It's all just people with money, and agendas.... They are Real, they pay people to be here.


Get used to it... I have.

(Oh, and they sign non-disclosure agreements, because having public knowledge that they are trying to sway opinion would backfire on them... and thus be against the agenda that they hired the people for in the first place... lol)



posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 03:10 PM
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Ive had this suspicion for a while now that ATS is a virtual Social/Discussion/News Board. Could that be true?




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