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Originally posted by Shadow Herder
I think that people should start collecting the IP's of the debunkers and supporters of the official story to be used in the future to either call them out, charge them or whatever angry group think humans would want to do with people like that. Some IPS of debunkers are already saved and cataloged , odd tho that some debunkers have multiple accounts and play both side of the fence another odd thing is that some ats truthers hold accounts at JREF as debunkers.... go figure eh!
Originally posted by Feltrick
reply to post by daveyboy1991
You bring up some interesting points...
"Well its obvious it would have been a black project, possibly even blacker than black project as William Pawelec has mentioned in his interview. This all goes back to the most powerful people and wanting more money with no respect for lifes"
Answer: It's always a super secret black project with no paper/electronic trail that "someone" mentions. It's always these ultra powerful people! Secrets cannot be kept, something always leaks out. Where's the proof of this? I would think Assange and WIKILeaks would have found something by now?
"You cant deny there was irregularties with the insurance of the WTC and how in numerous videos small explosions can be seen before it falls, to weaken key points in the structure."
Answer: Insurance? Yep, every building has insurance, I've owned both homeowners and rental insurance. Explosions? When the floors above started to collapse, this caused air pressure on the lower floors to "blow out" the windows. It does appear to be explosions, but they don't appear until after the upper floors start collapsing. Wow, that was relatively easy, no conspiracy here.
"Now there is no way the WTC's would have BOTH collapsed as their design was to withstand fires for days at a time."
Answer: Very Large planes filled with jet fuel hit both towers at high speed causing damage to the structure. The fires that ensued weakened them even further causing them to fail and causing a domino effect that brought down both buildings. The simple answer works best, no conspiracy here.
"Also cant remember which flight, will repost later with the info, but one of the pilots was an ex military pilot who wasnt exactly a small figure against the hijackers who were slim small figures, now how could some hijackers all fit in the cockpit and takeover, now ive been in one when i was a little kid, and it could only just fit one extra person in let alone several people. Almost certain resistance would have been put up in that small area"
Answer: This was a complete surprise to both pilots and passengers. The hijackers moved fast and with a purpose killing/injuring the flight crew before they had a chance to react. Again, the passengers were confused and thought this was a "normal" hijacking and did not fight back. AGAIN, it wasn't until passengers learned of the true intentions of these hijackers that they fought back.
I mean, really, if a non-expert such as myself can refute your "evidence" then I can't see this as being fact. In your post you offer no FACTS just CONJECTURE. IF there is absolute proof of this, please, someone post so we can all understand.
What I do know is that he has an opinion,and he has credentials,just like you.
Originally posted by Alfie1
Originally posted by liejunkie01
reply to post by RustyShakleford92
I believe that the reason that the buildings had to fall was easy. money.
Larry Silverstein, the US property magnate who owned the World Trade Centre, is heading for a fresh clash with Swiss Re, the main insurer of the twin towers.
He is set to present a formal claim for $3.5bn (£2.4bn) to the international insurance market this week, just over four months after the twin towers were destroyed by hijackers..
Do not forget that big money runs the show. The military industrial complex is in control of US policy and big money is in control of them. Planes hit buildings, buildins fall, we need more security, more security leads to more defense spending, and the owner of the buildings gets the insurance check.
This is my take anyways.
And from another article in The Independent" Larry Silverstein is accused by Swiss Re of deliberately under-insuring the Towers to save costs :-
How does that fit in with an insurance scam in the making ?
Originally posted by sonnny1
reply to post by hooper
The man said its a 100% an inside job,but gives no "secret whistleblower" info,no hard facts to back up his100% claim.Nothing tangible,but his credentials. The Iranian President claims the same thing also,but again has no facts to back it up. Credentials are meaningless,without hard proof. My personal belief is there a coverup,based on past Government cover ups,unfortunately I have no proof to back my claims,except past coverups.Its just my opinion.We all know what opinions are like......... There is a problem with the official story. Its coming from "officials".