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Originally posted by byteshertz
reply to post by Evanzsayz
AS POSTED PREVIOUSLY - WHICH I AM YET TO SEE SOMEONE DISPUTE:
This article is biased - they are saying how much the average teacher earns + benefit's but they make no comparisson to other professions and they do not consider how many years the teacher has spent in training, and on the job, or the number of hours they put in to their work - when convincing you they are paid too much.
Teachers work hard - they not only baby the rotten kid's of the modern age, they have to spend their days teaching lessons and the nights preparing them - they do not get paid for all the prep they often have to do. Teachers also have to stay late and on weekends at times for meetings etc
Teachers often stay in their jobs for many years - if you compared it to people staying with companies for the same time I bet they would earn close to the same if they stayed in the one job. This article would make you think teachers start on $100,000
But of corse the inner child in everyone hold's a grudge against teachers - you accept that they are overpaid even though this article did not even provide the information required to draw a well researched conclusion - but the fact you can't do that is probably also the teachers fault - right?
This article also mentions declining grades as if they are the teachers fault - as if lack of disapline at home, kid's eating junk because parents throw money at them for lunch, lack of punishment a teacher can hand out don't have anything to do with it.
This world works on supply and demand - if you do not pay teacher's what they are worth they go somewhere that will, and then your kid's just end up with babysitters. You want them to have a good education you pay for it.
If teaching is so glamorous why are there not more teachers? Lower their pay - see what happens! they will go to countries that pay them what they deserve.
Originally posted by fnpmitchreturns
reply to post by intelinside451
You are an amazing troll! This is just BS!
I guess you are just pissed that corporate America has you under their thumb and cut your wages as their profits rise. I find it amazing is that also buried deep in the bill Walker is selling off state utilities and other power grabbing for corporate America who will raise all your prices.
Originally posted by apacheman
Your thread title is a LIE.
There is a huge difference between SALARY and COMPENSATION. Were you being deliberately misleading, or are you just anxious to bash teachers?
The video states that the average teachers salary is $56.500, not $100,000 plus.
To go in the sequence of the video:
The average per capita income in 2006-2008, note here that he is comparing data from 3 years ago to present time, in Milwaukee was $19,092. Further note that by placing a per capita (single person, including not just earners but everyone figure first, it sticks more in the viewer's mid when compared to 100K. This is a shift in comparison designed to confuse the issue. To be a proper comparison, you'd need to divide the total of teacher salaries by the number of pepole in teachers families. For instance a married teacher with a spouse and two children would have a per capita income of $14,105, so the teachers are actually making less per capita than the average.
Originally posted by macman
I don't think most people are saying to bring down their level of compensation.
I, for one am just tired of all the whining and crying when they are asked to cut back.
Originally posted by ClearlyAwake
reply to post by AntiNWO
I'm not worried and I've done just fine in the private sector thank you very much. Private would not be under Government regulated control...that would defeat the purpose you seek, would it not?
Yes, they can and do remove students for resons they see fit. They get money for their students like public schools, but still make their kids pay for things. So, no money would be saved by tax payers. In fact, tax payers would be paying for the private education of those who could afford it and any public education left would sink further into inequality.
What is needed is for education to stop being funded by Federal Government and for it to be returned to the control of the communities that want their children educated. Even at state level, you'd get more competition because people who cared even a little would try to live in states with a good education system. No Child Left Behind (Race to the Top) is all junk that doesn't produce anything except uniform failure.
Standardized tests don't prove who is doing good and who isn't...they only show how good someone is at teaching to those tests or cheating on them to boost test scores.
When these private schools only except the best, hard working students they can get their hands on, of course they are going to "do better."
Public school classrooms take all students no matter what the ability level, behavioral problem, or work ethic in general and the teachers do their best to educate them. Sad thing is, what is being taught is being dumbed down as well as red tape and tons of paperwork being heaped on to teachers. Students are not getting the teaching down they use to and that would change a lot if the Federal Government wasn't in education matters.
Feel how you like about it all, but in the end we are all losing the same fight. What you seem to want won't make things better, period.
We see threads about children misbehaving in school, parents that don’t give a squat, teachers that have stopped caring, unauthorized military actions, out of control financial institutions, and authoritative figures that are giving up. We have depression at every age level, paranoia, anxiety, rampant crimes, drug and alcohol abuse, and masses of people that are just indifferent to things transpiring around them.
We ponder why the youth act the way they do, maybe it’s because they are a reflection of the adults in today’s world.