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First in the Nation: Idaho House Passes Health Care Nullification

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posted on Feb, 19 2011 @ 11:07 PM
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First in the Nation: Idaho House Passes Health Care Nullification


Tenth Amendment Center

In an historic vote in the Idaho House of Representatives, the Federal Health Care Nullification Act (originally authored by the Tenth Amendment Center) passed by a vote of 49-20.

House Bill 117 (H117) states, in part:

The state of Idaho hereby exercises its sovereign power to declare the public policy of the state of Idaho regarding the right of all persons residing in the state of Idaho in choosing the mode of securing health care services free from the imposition of penalties, or the threat thereof, by the federal government of the United States of America relating thereto

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posted on Feb, 19 2011 @ 11:07 PM
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Is this the second shot heard around the world? It's boiling down to who controls the the State of Idaho (and all the states) the Feds or the people of the state? I am still sceptical this will result in a real state rights movement as I think it will just end up in the courts and get shot down.

I hope I am wrong, because until the people and their local reps back up the rhetoric the federal government just continues to gather more power unto itself. Even our lame AG in Idaho said this law was unconstitutional. Really so trying to limit the Federal government to its scope defined in the constitution is unconstitutional?

Other states soon to follow....

Tenth Amendment Center
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posted on Feb, 20 2011 @ 03:33 AM
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We can only hope.

This is the way for peaceful change.



posted on Feb, 20 2011 @ 08:28 AM
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Even if it does get shot down, I admire the courage by the people of Idaho and their representatives to challenge the over-expansion of power by the Federal Government. I hope to see more of this in more states. Until more states start jumping on the bandwagon and standing up for not only their rights as autonomous regions, but also for their people, these measures will continue to be vetoed by the Supreme Court. Only when the numbers of the states in opposition of the Federal Government become too great will it be impossible for them to override state law without sparking movements like we are seeing in the Middle East and Africa right now.



posted on Feb, 20 2011 @ 08:44 AM
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Idaho and some of the other northwestern states(with the obvious exceptions of Oregon and Washington) are right up there with Texas when it comes to states I believe would seriously consider seceding from the union. They seem to have gathered many of our remaining "pioneers".



posted on Feb, 20 2011 @ 10:50 AM
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Wow! That's awesome! Now if they can get rid of early childhood education,social security, medicade, and all those useless programs that help the disabled, unemployed and the poor ....this country would be on the right track toward saving money.

And we could improve the population as well by culling out the needy and the sick.

Only the strongest will survive...like in nature Survival of the fittest is really the only way to keep your country strong and lean.
The remainder will be the healthiest and they will all be like mighty warriors!

Gladiators... living in a shining city on a hill.
I can't wait.
edit on 20-2-2011 by rusethorcain because: I knew Hawkeye and you are no Hawkeye.



posted on Feb, 20 2011 @ 11:09 AM
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Originally posted by sonofliberty1776
Idaho and some of the other northwestern states(with the obvious exceptions of Oregon and Washington) are right up there with Texas when it comes to states I believe would seriously consider seceding from the union. They seem to have gathered many of our remaining "pioneers".


Like the Unibomber?
Secede already.

Seriously... I think we should trade Texas to the Mexicans for Acapulco.



posted on Feb, 20 2011 @ 11:17 AM
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Originally posted by PETROLCOIN
Even if it does get shot down, I admire the courage by the people of Idaho and their representatives to challenge the over-expansion of power by the Federal Government. I hope to see more of this in more states. Until more states start jumping on the bandwagon and standing up for not only their rights as autonomous regions, but also for their people, these measures will continue to be vetoed by the Supreme Court. Only when the numbers of the states in opposition of the Federal Government become too great will it be impossible for them to override state law without sparking movements like we are seeing in the Middle East and Africa right now.


Other than the kudos this makes absolutely no sense at all.
By calling for States to start jumping on a bandwagon against the Federal Government you ARE sparking movements "like" in the Middle East and Africa. Pick a path and stick with it.



posted on Feb, 20 2011 @ 11:27 AM
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That's rich Idaho!


Seriously. Idaho has no authority to do so. Maybe they'd like to re-instate slavery too...
Sure, the required purchase of healthcare is unconstitutional but Idaho isn't the courts.

2 dumbs do not make smart



posted on Feb, 20 2011 @ 12:05 PM
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2 dumbs do not make smart


Then perhaps you are "2 dumb" to understand how largely imperative this move by Idaho really is.
If nobody passes an attempt to legislate some sort of appeal toward the inherently unconstitutional health-care system, who will?

The preponderant forces of our fed seem to dictate every direction we take, small battles will unite the people. Not into a violent protest, but to speak a democratic voice against no option health-care.

I kudos Idaho for standing up and protesting tyrant governmental policies!



posted on Feb, 20 2011 @ 12:13 PM
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Good job I hope Michigan isn't far behind. The hospitals here are finally suing to get their money from people that use the emergency instead of going to the doctor. People are having a fit because they actually have to PAY!! Welcometo the real world health care is not a right it cost me $750 a month and with Obummer care it'll go up $500 MORE. No thank you.



posted on Feb, 20 2011 @ 12:15 PM
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Before you start jumping for joy and applauding Idaho, which I do support mind you, I would like to point you toward a crisis in our early history.

Nullification Crisis - 1832


On July 14, 1832, after Calhoun had resigned his office in order to run for the Senate where he could more effectively defend nullification, Jackson signed into law the Tariff of 1832. This compromise tariff received the support of most northerners and half of the southerners in Congress. The reductions were too little for South Carolina, and in November 1832 a state convention declared that the tariffs of both 1828 and 1832 were unconstitutional and unenforceable in South Carolina after February 1, 1833. Military preparations to resist anticipated federal enforcement were initiated by the state. In late February both a Force Bill, authorizing the President to use military forces against South Carolina, and a new negotiated tariff satisfactory to South Carolina were passed by Congress. The South Carolina convention reconvened and repealed its Nullification Ordinance on March 11, 1833.


It became a very dramatic time in our history with South Carolina mobilizing its forces against the federal government who then mobilized their forces against South Carolina. Would Idaho be willing to do the same thing against the federal government? Or have the feds already neutered the states to such a degree that any possibility of rising against them would be impossible?



posted on Feb, 20 2011 @ 12:16 PM
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Originally posted by mikellmikell
Good job I hope Michigan isn't far behind. The hospitals here are finally suing to get their money from people that use the emergency instead of going to the doctor. People are having a fit because they actually have to PAY!! Welcometo the real world health care is not a right it cost me $750 a month and with Obummer care it'll go up $500 MORE. No thank you.


WTG Michigan hospitals! Let those filthy poor people die of minor infections!!
We certainly don't need those scummy poor people taking up space in our cities.



posted on Feb, 20 2011 @ 12:19 PM
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Yes Idaho does have the authority to do so..

The federal government never had the power to enact this in the first place, they just acted above the law and constitution in doing so... sort of like a lot of people are doing these days- making up any law they need to support some agenda.. Acting above the law..

The states reserve all rights and the federal government gets it's power from the states, NOT the other way around.. look it up, I did.

The way the feds try and circumvent this is by using executive order, which is also quite unconstitutional based on how abused and exploited it is and has been...


In essence, the US government is rogue and operating illegally



posted on Feb, 20 2011 @ 12:32 PM
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Originally posted by PETROLCOIN
Even if it does get shot down, I admire the courage by the people of Idaho and their representatives to challenge the over-expansion of power by the Federal Government. I hope to see more of this in more states. Until more states start jumping on the bandwagon and standing up for not only their rights as autonomous regions, but also for their people, these measures will continue to be vetoed by the Supreme Court. Only when the numbers of the states in opposition of the Federal Government become too great will it be impossible for them to override state law without sparking movements like we are seeing in the Middle East and Africa right now.


funny how the people in idaho don't outlaw social security and medicare payments to the federal government. i say the federal government should no longer send ANY, NADA, NO, money to idaho whatsoever. cut ALL monies from the federal government, including subsidies for farming, ranching, parks, wildlife preserves, corporations, fish and game, minerals and mining,... etc...i live in california and 1/3 of all our federal taxes taken out of this state DO NOT come back to california...we are subsidizing states like idaho, wyoming, montana...F'em...and with the little amount of population, i think their 2 senators in congress should be reduced to 1...why should they have grossly more representative power in the U.S. senate than our state of california...the least we could do is cut that representation by half, while still preserving a voice in the U.S. senate.
i can see it now, the new idaho invitation to move there..."if you're wealthy or own land, come on in, you will benefit our state...if you're poor or lower class, keep the hell out, unless you want to take your chances, working part time, for crap wages".



posted on Feb, 20 2011 @ 12:45 PM
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Originally posted by alienreality
Yes Idaho does have the authority to do so..

The federal government never had the power to enact this in the first place, they just acted above the law and constitution in doing so... sort of like a lot of people are doing these days- making up any law they need to support some agenda.. Acting above the law..

The states reserve all rights and the federal government gets it's power from the states, NOT the other way around.. look it up, I did.

The way the feds try and circumvent this is by using executive order, which is also quite unconstitutional based on how abused and exploited it is and has been...


In essence, the US government is rogue and operating illegally


well, your buddy, "W" BUSH used a much more massive amount of executive orders than any other president in the history of the U.S., to circumvent the constitutional rights guaranteed in the 1st, 4th, 5th, amendments in the bill of rights. liberals own this constitution also...in fact, the bill of rights, you so proudly expouse, is one of the most liberal documents in the world for the last 200 years.



posted on Feb, 20 2011 @ 12:54 PM
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Seems to me that Idaho's folks in charge are a lot more 'switched-on' and sparking with standing up for the state itself as opposed to big government's tyranny.

The silence on such things from the Socialist Republic of California and other 'wealthy' state's is deafening...



posted on Feb, 20 2011 @ 01:09 PM
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Way to go Idaho!
California's economic state speaks volumes about how their dreams of utopia inevitably lead to failure.
Idaho is bucking that liberal trend.
Awesome!!



posted on Feb, 20 2011 @ 01:17 PM
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funny how the people in idaho don't outlaw social security and medicare payments to the federal government. i say the federal government should no longer send ANY, NADA, NO, money to idaho whatsoever.


Well unfortunately there are socialist in Idaho too who want to the government teat and they have a way of working thier way into politics.



cut ALL monies from the federal government, including subsidies for farming, ranching, parks, wildlife preserves, corporations, fish and game, minerals and mining,... etc...


Sounds good to me and Idaho can stop sending thier money to the Federal government too and just keep it here at home. Works both ways.


i live in california and 1/3 of all our federal taxes taken out of this state DO NOT come back to california...we are subsidizing states like idaho, wyoming, montana...


And if you believe that I have some prime land in the Florida Everglades I'd like to interest you in...
I used to live in CA and got the hell out. CA takes more Federal subsidies then all the states you named combined. Ca is also so broke they have put thier capital building up for sale because their welfare model is unsustainable.


F'em...and with the little amount of population, i think their 2 senators in congress should be reduced to 1...why should they have grossly more representative power in the U.S. senate than our state of california...the least we could do is cut that representation by half, while still preserving a voice in the U.S. senate.


So you think you should have more votes to steal the fruits of others labors then anyone else... Sigh Gotta love democracy


i can see it now, the new idaho invitation to move there..."if you're wealthy or own land, come on in, you will benefit our state...if you're poor or lower class, keep the hell out, unless you want to take your chances, working part time, for crap wages".


Or stay in CA and make a higher wage so you can pay for crack moms and thier babies on welfare and afford some of the highly over inflated real estate that is fast becoming vacant cause no one can afford it anymore....



posted on Feb, 20 2011 @ 01:27 PM
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Good for ID.
I am hoping that UT, TX, MT and WY are next, along with AZ.
The Fed Govt has over stepped its bounds.



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