U.S Government Shutdown Looms

Isn't it obvious?
Stop military spending and you keep government functioning.

Anyone who chooses the alternative, Stop government funding and keep the military industry functioning obviously supports the later.

Yeah it's really funny in a sick kind of way. Boner is the cause of it. Then he has the audacity to say that "no talk of stoppage has come from our side". What a great liar he is. It has been ONLY he who has ever mentioned that possibility. No one else.

Republicans will not be satisfied until there are sweat shops once more employing 12 year old kids whose families would otherwise starve existing alongside McMansions with the idle rich inside mast.......ing while reading their bibles.

This isn't the first time I remember this being an issue--I recall reading back several post someone said they were in the AF and they couldn't fly because fuel had to be conserve. I can verify that--I was on active duty AF at the time and it was real! There was talk of not getting paid and all kinds of stuff, at the time I was pretty young, not married and thought ok, so I go buy a couple of cases of beer to weather the storm. Now it's serious! What happens to the house payment? Car Payment? All the other stuff we as responsible citizens have going on and if this happens you're really going to be whammied because the credit reports aren't going to go easy on you...This isn't good...

There's just a couple of guys up there and I this here guy is on ofem...I remember that quote from Silverado...Boehner is just another one ofem...he's wanting to cut government spending, but doesn't want to stop funding on a second engine for the F-35! The Sec of Def and several high ranking military members don't want a second F-35 engine...could save millions or billions not sure of the exact amount...but the second engine would be built in Boehners STATE!!!! Do the math!!! Follow the money always and you'll find the answer!!!

reply to post by Agit8dChop


I am so sick of people saying stop military funding and everything will be ok. NO it won't. Only 18% of the budget is military spending - should it be drastically cut - YES. Does that come close to solving our problems? NO not even close, it wouldn't even reduce the budget by a third of what it needs to be cut..

We are spending more than all federal income on just social security, Medicare, welfare, and Medicaid. We could cut EVERYTHING else to zero and still be running a deficit.

The only solution is to make cuts to that socialist spending, it is not optional, it doesn't matter how badly people don't want to, it is going to happen one way or another when either our currency is destroyed from inflation, or nobody is willing to buy US bonds.

Actually it really doesn't matter anymore what we do with the budget at this point, its gone on to long, and 98% of the population has no clue how much trouble we are in, or are willing to learn. A huge economic collapse is coming soon, and worst of all it could have been easily avoided if our government wasn't bought off by wall street.

reply to post by proximo


Here here. Someone has it correct.

Boo! Let them play the scare tactics and fearmongering. The Democrats were really pouring it on with the predictions of this government shutdown. This government is broke and that is the fact of the matter. Perhaps, the people have to see the horrendous fiscal disaster in all of its glory. A shutdown would bring the crisis right into their living rooms and remove the veil from over their eyes.

Cuts have to be made, and I have said before nothing is safe in this fiscal crisis. I don't care if it is defense, healthcare, social security, or any government program. People are going to suffer, but whether it happens now or later a default is in the works. It is blatantly obvious. They are not talking about billions being tossed around anymore, but trillions like it is nothing. That alone ought to give anyone with an inkling of awareness the chills, because I know it gives me them.

The imminent fiscal disaster is the crisis of this generation not the war on terror, Afghanistan or Iraq, Middle Eastern instability, or whatever else is being highlighted by the MSM media as a crisis. Instead of bickering and playing the blame game about making cuts, it is high time to show some solidarity with one another in the legislature?

The partisan crap is not doing an inkling of good at alleviating the strain of the deficit. As far as I am concerned, lets start cutting the salaries and benefits of federal employees from the highest government officer down to the lowly congressional aide. Nothing is safe from the budget axe. Just my two cents, and the politicians can lolly gag amongst themselves all they want. When the rubber meets the road they know what is going to happen. People are not going to be getting their government assistance, and life is going to get difficult. It is only a matter of time, and not a matter of if but when.

Yea and america spends more on its military than 70 percent of the rest of the world put together. They are spendin 260 million a pop on the f-22 raptor yeah we need those they arent even using them in war they are using unmanned drones. Supporting millions of families around the world f that bring them home we dont all those damn bases were trying to control the world and the people are paying the price wake up grow up do something.

Just one question:
when do the fed gov checks to members of congress go out?

reply to post by proximo


Wars based on fraud cost the U.S. over $2 trillion thus far. These funds could of been used to avoid fiscal recession and the housing collapse. At this juncture in time, Iraq and Afghanistan war funding has proved to be the proverbial piss down a rat hole.

Afghanistan (with the vast majority of costs a result of in the war Iraq) would amount to $3.5 trillion between 2003 and 2017. This is over $1 trillion higher than the recent Congressional Budget Office (CBO) Federal cost forecast for the same scenario, which counted only direct spending and interest paid on war-related debt resulting from that spending.

www.cfr.org...

reply to post by Regenmacher


I will be totally floored if the government shuts down. We have seen the government fight it out until the last minute a few other times in history, in the end they pull together a emergency package to hold it together until the full package is met. I know our government is playing the bully against each other however in the end they know to shut down the government would mean a total change in how we citizens vote. Also they have to consider do they want us out there like wisconsin, protesting on a large scale which could end up being a riot.

Originally posted by teotwawki77
Yea and america spends more on its military than 70 percent of the rest of the world put together. They are spendin 260 million a pop on the f-22 raptor yeah we need those they arent even using them in war they are using unmanned drones. Supporting millions of families around the world f that bring them home we dont all those damn bases were trying to control the world and the people are paying the price wake up grow up do something.

edit on 20-2-2011 by teotwawki77 because: (no reason given)

How do you figure?
Countries like NK have a much larger percentage of their economy goes towards the military.
Also, most countries have forced military service with very low pay.
So what if he are a higher percentage of the world? Who cares?
We are not citizens of the world. We are American citizens.

Originally posted by Regenmacher
reply to post by proximo

 

Wars based on fraud cost the U.S. over $2 trillion thus far. These funds could of been used to avoid fiscal recession and the housing collapse. At this juncture in time, Iraq and Afghanistan war funding has proved to be the proverbial piss down a rat hole.

Afghanistan (with the vast majority of costs a result of in the war Iraq) would amount to $3.5 trillion between 2003 and 2017. This is over $1 trillion higher than the recent Congressional Budget Office (CBO) Federal cost forecast for the same scenario, which counted only direct spending and interest paid on war-related debt resulting from that spending.

www.cfr.org...

I'm not arguing any of that- in fact I completely agree. Billions if not trillions were wasted on the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq - what does that have to do with now? That money is GONE, and it's not coming back. If I was president I would cut military spending by at least 70% immediately and end those wars today.

But my point is any cuts to military spending now would be far to little, and far to late to stop the economic collapse that is coming, all it would do, is make it slightly smaller.

This happens when you have divided powers in congress.

This is strictly political. Republicans v Democrats.

There will be no shut down, last minute concessions and compromises will be made.

They will all get some of what they want, and the American people will again be screwed.

Same old game, new days.

This is what happens when you leave the country in the hands of a few who are divide along only one single line where you either stand at the right or the left of it. What the US needs is more political parties... politicians in the US make things seem so black and white and the public accept it as if politics were that simple.

Two parties can't agree, having a third options would certainly help. At least that party would have something to gain by siding with one of them.

Anyone realize what this stunt brought with it???


You guys aware of the amendments to the budget -

Its a great way to pass a load of garbage, common sense a?

this all comes down to the war spending and the bush tax cuts. sure our social programs have gone a bit out of hand, but social security is the people's money. the government dipped into it repeatedly then when it was gone said the program is a failure.

we now have corporate funded and run government that continuesly wants you to think THEY are the victim. that they need to pay less taxes and have less oversight. all BS. if corporate government continues to work against this country's best interest and sends our economic wealth overseas, they should pay even more taxes or GTFO.

we don't need this government anymore, we are the people, we should uprise and take it all back. they shouldn't threaten us, they work for us not the other way around.

Originally posted by prexparte
reply to post by Regenmacher

 

I will be totally floored if the government shuts down. We have seen the government fight it out until the last minute a few other times in history....

Yeah, I will be surprised too. Seems more like grandstanding at this stage in the game, especially when it's such a miniscule amount and they had no prob in handing out billions to central bankers and investment brokerages.

All that being said, we have had a lot of global social upheaval lately and we are drowning in record debt.... so we may get a surprise....

This has happened before, and there is a good chance that it will happen again in the future. The problem is that neither side wants to give when it comes to the budget. The Republicans want to cut spending in some areas, that the Democrats are not wanting, and vice versa. It is a political showdown between both parties, and ultimately the side that does not give, will be the long term loser in the next election. The problem is that the country has a large amount of debt, and that debt is steadily growing every day. Both sides admit this, however, they have different ideas on how to deal with such. The costs have gone up, this is a factor, as it does every year, yet the amount of money being brought in by the federal government has gone down, and thus there is the problem in itself. Raising taxes is not an option, cause there are not enough people working to make a real difference. There has to be compromise on both sides, for there to be a resolution. This also will have to depend on what is said in the upcoming weeks, up to the deadline, and the rhetoric is already starting and blaming the other side for the reasons as to the pending shutdown. Ultimately the truth of the entire matter lies in both sides of the congress.

reply to post by sdcigarpig
They need to compromise and reduce spending to 2000 spending levels for all departments across the board. Then all departments need to start the next budget year with a budget of $0.00 and then justify every penny they want to spend.