If NOAH Saved The Animals, Who Saved The Plants?

Originally posted by AQuestion
reply to post by nerbot

 

Seeds don't drown. Seeds survive. Most seeds float. What is you question.

But that would mean that all the herbivours and omnivours would have died waiting for the plants to regrow... well those herbivours and omnivours that didn't become carnivour food of course...
Unless of course the Almighty made all the seeds grow into mature plants in a single day, despite the huge salt poisoning of all the fertile land...
You Christians starting to notice any problems in the Bible's story yet?

I believe the genesis account said the water covered the highest mountaintop now if this was taken literally that's a large volume of water. When the waters receded where did it go to? Did it all magically return to the place that it came from?

As with the animals there are thousands of plants that are not native to the near east. If there was a global flood many plant species would be extinct and there would not have been enough time to evolve the diversity that is known in the present day.

How did he collect all the sea creatures from the depths of the ocean? Were they kept in the ark or just left to swim and hope for the best?

reply to post by nerbot


Simple: There was no Noah, there was no global flood, and thus there was no need to save either animals or plants. No plant could have survived a year submerged in salt water, they would have all dried out and died. Not even the seeds would have survived.

Star and a flag.

Certain people, more than you would think, are natural seed collectors. It is a natural compulsion for me. I have a huge box of seeds in the garage of seeds collected from everywhere in envelopes and brown lunch sacks. It is fun to try and grow new things for entertainment. I collecetd seeds when I was in England in 2003, and tried to grow them in Kentucky. It worked out great. The seeds at the hardware stores over there are very, very expensive. I collect seeds in the fall off plants everywhere. Thomas Jefferson was a seed collector.

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
Simple: There was no Noah, there was no global flood, and thus there was no need to save either animals or plants.

I know that too....I just wanted to have some fun.

I love putting the cat amongst the pigeons.

reply to post by nerbot


Oh, I knew that you knew that. I just wanted to throw out the obvious ending because I'm one of those people who has to spoil it. I should have written *spoiler alert* at the beginning of my post.

Anyway, you still deserve the star and flag, great post.

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that story never made sense to me. first from what you posted about, secondyou cant repopulate the earth from just two of every animal it dosent work that way.
i think this story either never happened, is a dramatic exageration of a flood, or there is something i missed due to not reading the bible i dont know, all i do know is that this message is going to piss at least one person off

",,,,who saved the plants?"
They are called seeds.

The Deluges (plural. lit. "to wash down") & Noah's Ark: Science & Mythology.

Lucifer 2011.
Blasphemy, Heresy, War, Revolution.

"Many great deluges have taken place during the nine thousand years" since Athens and Atlantis were preeminent. Destruction by fire and other catastrophes was also common. In these floods, water rose from below, destroying city dwellers but not mountain people. The floods, especially the third great flood before Deucalion, washed away most of Athens' fertile soil. [Plato, "Timaeus" 22, "Critias" 111-112]

First of all let us establish a list of cultures with Flood Myths. By the term "Myth" I do not mean to imply that such floods never happened; I simply mean that in some of these cultures, reports of flooding are described in mythological language.

In one of these flood myths, described in the Book of Genesis, there is also the rather incredulous story of Noah's ark, and while many of the details of the story are no more believable than the myth of Santa Claus, it does not necessarily follow that flooding did not occur in the ancient world.

Unfortunately our world is full of Biblical fanatics, many of whom who could not care less about science; on the contrary they are only concerned with proving certain truths regarding their primitive holy book.

I don't think that there are any informed "scientists" whom I know of who would dispute the "established fact" that there was global flooding at the end of the last ice age. Further the evidence of flooding does not in any way substantiate the various ancient myths regarding what transpired during such a period, such as the myth of Noah's ark.

"Because of the difficulties with both defining and tallying the total numbers of different species in the world, it is estimated that there are anywhere between 2 and 100 million different species."
en.wikipedia.org..."]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Species

"There are about 1,250,000 identified species of animal. This includes 1,190,200 invertebrates, among them 950,000 insects, 70,000 mollusks, 40,000 crustaceans, and 130,200 others. There are about 58,800 identified vertebrates........... 8,240 reptiles, 9,800 birds, and 5,416 mammals. As a comparison, almost 300,000 plant species are known.

Importantly, the numbers above do not account for species which have not yet been captured or described scientifically. Scientists estimate there may be as many as 10 - 30 million unidentified insect species, many of them living in the rainforest, and up to 1 million mite species" www.wisegeek.com...

It seems that the reason for the 2 million or 100 million species approximation is simply because some species are really "sub species;" never the less, if one takes the myth of Noah's Ark seriously, one also has to consider that around 99.9% of all species which have lived on earth in the last 500 million years are now extinct.

Thus even if the mythical Noah forgot about all the "sub-species" he would still have to load up the approximately 2 million existing animal and insect species, plus another 2 billion extinct species (or possibly up to 10 trillion including sub species) including some very large and very dangerous dinosaurs, plus enough food to feed the animals (many of which would require fresh meat; thus even more animals) for a journey of almost 9 months, plus enough staff to feed them and remove their waste (The Ark contained only 7 people plus the 600 year old Noah).

Consider the following comment:

"One elephant consumes 800 pounds of food per day..and 75% of that food would be converted to waste on a daily basis. so, double that for the second elephant...that's 120 TONS of food for just the elephants ...and 80 tons of waste. One Ape consumes 400 to 600 pound per day....75% into waste. That's 30 tons each in just food. Then there are two giraffes, hippos, ...etc., and so on"
answers.yahoo.comanswers.yahoo.com...

Noah's Ark was allegedly 450 by 75 feet wide by about 45 feet high and made of Gopher wood (Teak in the Islamic myth). The Dutch replica of the Ark is only half the length of Noah's alleged Ark, and bear in mind that Dutch Biblical Creationist who built it essentially "cheated;" it is not at all a wooden hulled ark; it actually has a steel Hull and the timber hull is merely for show and it sits on a giant steel barge; further if he had built the entire hull with wood, it would have collapsed under it's own weight, and this is even without loading up to 2 billion species plus food supplies.

The Titanic, which was made of steel was 882 feet long, thus almost twice the length of Noah's 450 ft Ark and 92 feet wide compared with Noah's 75 feet wide Ark and 175 feet high, compared to the 45 feet high Ark, and yet the Titanic carried only 3547 people and enough provisions for 2 weeks.

Length limitations on wooden ships.

It is considered to be "impossible" in naval architecture to build a wooden boat the size of Noah's Ark. In the last couple of centuries some large wooden boats have been built (none as big as Noah's Ark) with metal bracings to stop the ship breaking up on the waves, however many have met tragic ends and suffered hull buckling; one of the largest ever wooden boats, Baron of Renfrew (1825) at just over 300 ft long broke apart on it's maiden voyage. It is generally considered folly to build a cargo ship with a timber hull longer than 300 ft, since it would not be sufficiently rigid from bow to stern to avoid breaking up on the ocean's waves, and certainly not with billions of animal and insect species on board.

Noah would further have had to stack his animals several miles high (the thought of this being totally ridiculous); he not only have destabilised the top heavy ship, making it instantly keel over, it would also simply have sunk under the weight long before he managed to stack the animals.

The Myth of Noah's Ark: a possible theoretical explanation.

Even the High Priest of Dawinian evolution, Richard Dawkins admits the "possibility" that life on earth "may" have been the product of genetic experimentation by intelligent and scientifically advanced beings (i.e, human like beings, not supernatural gods).

If we ignore the primitive and impossible details of the myth of Noah, it may well be that in the far distant past, that after ancient cataclysms, that the earth was "seeded" with life forms collected from other galaxies.

It may well be that in future, that the "Jurrasic Park" fiction could become a reality and that ancient species could be rebirthed from the DNA of pre-historic animals; it is certainly not beyond the limits of credibility, and it may well have been possible for advanced civilisations to do so in the past, and to bring to earth the genetic map of numerous species and rebirth them on earth.

Flood Myths

First of all it need to be established that no credible scientist that I know of disputes the fact that A: there "have" been periods of mass extinctions, and B: the earth has certainly been subjected to global flooding, such as at the end of the last ice age where water levels rose considerably.

There are 100's of cases of underwater temples and architecture, 100's of feet below sea level which testifies to this. One of the most astonishing recent discoveries is what appears to be deep-sea structures including pyramids and roads, lying in 2,200 feet (700 metres) of water off the coast of Cuba.

"It is true that down there at heart of the sea, are structures that sometimes have dimensions of several hundreds meters that are unusual, for which we we do not have a simple, direct explanation... "

"...A clear explanation does not exist of how these structures formed by natural means. Offered this point of view as geologist, I admit the possibility that it could be a question of not natural, that is to say structures, created by man, or some intelligent entity..."

- Manuel Iturralde of the National Museum of Natural History of the Havana, considered to be the foremost geologist of Cuba.
www.physicsforums.com..."]http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=86402

Here are a list of cultures with "Flood Myths:"


www.talkorigins.org..."]http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/flood-myths.html
"•Europe
◦Greek, Arcadian, Samothrace ◦Roman ◦Scandinavian, German ◦Celtic, Welsh ◦Lithuanian, Transylvanian Gypsy ◦Turkey •Near East
◦Sumerian ◦Egypt, Babylonian, Assyrian, Chaldean, Hebrew, Islamic ◦Persian, Zoroastrian •Africa
◦Cameroon ◦Masai (East Africa), Komililo Nandi, Kwaya (Lake Victoria) ◦Southwest Tanzania, Pygmy, Ababua (northern Zaire), Kikuyu (Kenya), Bakongo (west Zaire), Bachokwe? (southern Zaire), Lower Congo, Basonge, Bena-Lulua (Congo River, southeast Zaire)
◦Yoruba (southwest Nigeria), Efik-Ibibio (Nigeria), Ekoi (Nigeria) ◦Mandingo (Ivory Coast) •Asia
◦Vogul ◦Samoyed (north Siberia) ◦Yenisey-Ostyak (north central Siberia), Kamchadale (northeast Siberia) ◦Altaic (central Asia), Tuvinian (Soyot) (north of Mongolia)
◦Mongolia, Buryat (eastern Siberia) ◦Sagaiye (eastern Siberia) ◦Russian ◦Hindu, Bhil (central India), Kamar (Raipur District, Central India), Assam ◦Tamil (southern India) ◦Lepcha (Sikkim), Tibet, Singpho (Assam), Lushai (Assam), Lisu (northwest Yunnan, China), Lolo (southwestern China), Jino (southern Yunnan, China), Karen (Burma), Chingpaw (Upper Burma) ◦China ◦Korea ◦Munda (north-central India), Santal (Bengal), Ho (southwestern Bengal) ◦Bahnar (Cochin China), Kammu (northern Thailand) ◦Andaman Islands (Bay of Bengal) ◦Zhuang (China), Sui (southern Guizhou, China), Shan (Burma) ◦Tsuwo (Formosa interior), Bunun (Formosa interior), Ami (eastern Taiwan) ◦Benua-Jakun (Malay Peninsula), Kelantan (Malay Peninsula), Ifugao (Philippines), Kiangan Ifugao, Atá (Philippines), Mandaya (Philippines), Tinguian (Luzon, Philippines) ◦Batak (Sumatra), Nias (an island west of Sumatra), Engano (another island west of Sumatra), Dusun (British North Borneo), Dyak (Borneo), Ot-Danom (Dutch Borneo), Toradja (central Celebes), Alfoor (between Celebes and New Guinea), Rotti (southwest of Timor), Nage (Flores) •Australia
◦Arnhem Land (northern Northern Territory) ◦Maung (Goulburn Islands, Arnhem Land), Gunwinggu (northern Arnhem Land)
◦Gumaidj (Arnhem Land) ◦Manger (Arnhem Land) ◦Fitzroy River area (Western Australia) ◦Australian, Mount Elliot (coastal Queensland), Western Australia, Andingari (South Australia), Wiranggu (South Australia), Narrinyeri (South Australia), Victoria, Lake Tyres (Victoria), Kurnai (Gippsland, Victoria), southeast Australian ◦Maori (New Zealand) •Pacific Islands
◦Kabadi (New Guinea), Valman (northern New Guinea), Mamberao River (Irian Jaya), Samo-Kubo (western Papua New Guinea), Papua New Guinea ◦Palau Islands (Micronesia), western Carolines ◦New Hebrides, Lifou (one of the Loyalty Islands), Fiji ◦Samoa, Nanumanga (Tuvalu, South Pacific), Mangaia (Cook Islands), Rakaanga (Cook Islands), Raiatea (Leeward Group, French Polynesia), Tahiti, Hawaii •North America
◦Innuit, Eskimo (Orowignarak, Alaska), Norton Sound Eskimo, Central Eskimo, Tchiglit Eskimo (Arctic Ocean), Herschel Island Eskimo, Netsilik Eskimo, Greenlander ◦Tlingit (southern Alaska coast), Hareskin (Alaska), Tinneh (Alaska and south), Loucheux (Dindjie) (Alaska), Dogrib and Slave (Tinneh tribes), Kaska (northern inland British Columbia), Thompson Indians (British Columbia), Sarcee (Alberta), Tsetsaut ◦Haida (Queen Charlotte Is., British Columbia), Tsimshian (British Columbia) ◦Kwakiutl (British Columbia) ◦Kootenay (southeast British Columbia), Squamish (British Columbia), Bella Coola (British Columbia), Lillooet (Green River, British Columbia), Makah (Cape Flattery, Washington), Klallam (northwest Washington), Skokomish (Washington), Skagit (Washington), Quillayute (Washington), Nisqually (Washington), Twana (Puget Sound, Washington), Kathlamet ◦Cascade Mountains ◦Spokana, Nez Perce, Cayuse (eastern Washington), Yakima (Washington), Warm Springs (Oregon), Joshua (southern Oregon), Smith River (northern California coast), Wintu (north central California), Maidu (central California), Northern Miwok (central California), Tuleyome Miwok (near Clear Lake, California), Olamentko Miwok (Bodega Bay, California) Ohlone (San Francisco to Monterey, California) ◦Kato (Mendocino County, California) ◦Shasta (northern California interior), Pomo (north central California), Salinan (California), Yuma (western Arizona, southern California), Havasupai (lower Colorado River) ◦Ashochimi (California) ◦Yurok (north California coast), Blackfoot (Alberta and Montana), Cree (Canada), Timagami Ojibway (Canada), Chippewa (Ontario, Minnesota, Wisconsin), Ottawa, Menomini (Wisconsin-Michigan border), Cheyenne (Minnesota), Yellowstone, Montagnais (northern Gulf of St. Lawrence), Micmac (eastern Maritime Canada), Algonquin (upper Ottowa River), Lenape (Delaware) (Delaware to New York) ◦Cherokee (Great Lakes area; eastern Tennessee) ◦Mandan (North Dakota), Lakota ◦Choctaw (Mississippi), Natchez (Lower Mississippi) ◦Chitimacha (Southern Louisiana) ◦Caddo (Oklahoma, Arkansas), Pawnee (Nebraska) ◦Navajo (Four Corners area), Jicarilla Apache (northeastern New Mexico) ◦Sia (northeast Arizona) ◦Acagchemem (near San Juan Capistrano, California), Luiseño (Southern California), Pima (southwest Arizona), Papago (Arizona), Hopi (northeast Arizona), Zuni (New Mexico) •Central America
◦Tarascan (northern Michoacan, Mexico), Michoacan (Mexico) ◦Yaqui (Sonoran, Northern Mexico), Tarahumara (Northern Mexico), Huichol (western Mexico), Cora (east of the Huichols), Tepecano (southeast of the Huichols), Tepehua (eastern Mexico), Toltec (Mexico), Nahua (central Mexico), Tlaxcalan (central Mexico) ◦Tlapanec (south central Mexico), Mixtec (northern Oaxaca, Mexico), Zapotec (Oaxaca, southern Mexico), Trique (Oaxaca, southern Mexico) ◦Totonac (eastern Mexico) ◦Chol (southern Mexico), Tzeltal (Chiapas, southern Mexico), Quiché (Guatemala), Maya (southern Mexico and Guatemala) ◦Popoluca (Veracruz, Mexico) ◦Nicaragua, Panama ◦Carib (Antilles) •South America
◦Acawai (Orinoco), Arekuna (Guyana), Makiritare (Venezuela), Macusi (British Guyana) ◦Muysca (Colombia), Yaruro (southern Venezuela) ◦Yanomamö (southern Venezuela) ◦Tamanaque (Orinoco), Arawak (Guyana), Pamary, Abedery, and Kataushy (Purus R., Brazil), Ipurina (Upper Amazon) ◦Jivaro (eastern Ecuador), Shuar (Andes) ◦Murato (eastern Ecuador) ◦Cañari (Quito, Ecuador) ◦Guanca and Chiquito (Peru) ◦Ancasmarca (near Cuzco, Peru), Canelos Quechua, Quechua, Inca (Peru), Colla (high Andes) ◦Chiriguano (southeast Bolivia) ◦Chorote (Eastern Paraguay) ◦Eastern Brazil (Rio de Janiero region), Eastern Brazil (Cape Frio region), Caraya (Araguaia River, central Brazil), Coroado (south Brazil) ◦Araucania (coastal Chile) ◦Toba (northern Argentina) ◦Selk'nam (southern tip of Argentina) ◦Yamana (Tierra del Fuego) •"

This begs the question, since we have scientific evidence for global flooding, does this mean that all these myths are true, particularly as some myths have differing details and rather unbelievable stories surrounding them? Well of course it does not; it merely establishes through mythology what we already know scientifically, that there has been global flooding.

The Deluge of the Ice Man Cometh. Saturn's Ice.

The "ice" theory is a very controversial theory. I present it as a scientific theory and not as "fact," however it is certainly scientifically possible.


"Saturn has nine rings, consisting mostly of ice particles with a smaller amount of rocky debris and dust. Sixty-two known moons orbit the planet; fifty-three are officially named. This is not counting hundreds of "moonlets" within the rings. Titan, Saturn's largest and the Solar System's second largest moon (after Jupiter's Ganymede), is larger than the planet Mercury." Source: Wikipedia: Saturn

Now consider the fact that Saturn is estimated to have 35 trillion-trillion tons of ice in orbit around it, and that it's magnetic field is around 600 times stronger than the Earth's

Saturn: the Great Saviour.

The question is begged, where did Saturn's 62 Moons and it's trillions of tons of ice and space debris come from? There are various theories regarding this, but the most obvious and probably answer seems to be that the ice, rocks, dust and Moons surrounding Saturn are simply "space debris" which have been pulled into Saturn's orbit.

Astronomers have identified 100's of masses further out in space beyond Pluto, some of them the size of small planets; however this does not mean that there are no larger planetary sized objects in the deep freeze of space beyond Pluto; it is simply not yet possible to be sure of the size of such objects; however, the freezing temperatures of outer space and the trillions of tons of "mostly" ice around Saturn make it entirely clear that their is, in all probability, still trillions of tons of "ice" in space beyond Pluto.

Our inner solar system is constantly being bombarded by space debris, and the countless craters on the surface of the Moon are ample evidence of this, including over 40 impact craters which are over 180 miles in diameter, some being over 4 kilometres deep; these were certainly not impacts of small fragments of debris.

By "Saturn the Saviour Planet," the term implies that if it's 62 Moons and it's trillions of tons of space debris had not been pulled into the gravity of Saturn, some that space debris could well have ended up in our inner solar system in the region of Earth.

Our outer planets form a protective barrier to some extent, but bear in mind also that Saturn's orbit around the sun takes 40 years and that it is not always there to protect us, since space debris can come from the opposite direction.

It is clear that our outer planets may protect us from the barrage of space debris but impact collisions on the Moon and the earth still occur, and have occured throughout the almost 5 billion year history of our planet.

The theory that "ice" could have hit the earth from outer space is not a bizarre conspiracy theory, it has entirely a scientific basis and it is not only possible that it has occurred in the past, but highly probable, given the trillions of tons of ice and space debris trapped around Saturn.

A common objection to this is that ice would have burned up in our atmosphere, however this objection would not seem to apply if we were hit by millions or billions of tons of ice simultaneously. Certainly some of this ice would be vaporised without question, but given sufficient quantities of ice, there would certainly be a deluge of rain and ice in our inner atmosphere.

The Van Halen Theory.

Again this is s very strange theory, but I present it only as a theory, since I have been unable to confirm the "science" behind it, and until proven I would suggest that it "may" simply be pseudo science. The theory derives from an publication I read many years ago which I no longer have.

It has been suggested that ice coming towards earth may have been magnetised by the Van Halen belt, and headed straight around the earth to our magnetic poles, explaining the vast mass of frozen fresh water at our polar regions.

Flash Frozen Animals
Further explain the existence of frozen animals found in ice in Northern regions which appear mysteriously to have been flash frozen in an instant and appear to be in standing positions and have fresh food in their mouths.

"It has been estimated that some ten million animals lay buried along the rivers of northern Siberia. Thousands of tusks formed a massive ivory trade for the master carvers of China, all from the remains of the frozen mammoths and mastodons of Siberia. The famous Beresovka mammoth first drew attention to the preserving properties of being quick-frozen when buttercups were found in its mouth and undigested food in its stomach. This was no gradual event--it had to be sudden!" atlantisonline.smfforfree2.com...

World's in Collision.

Velikovsky's "World's in Collision" theory, despite the scientific inaccuracies in his work, is based upon the theory that at times in the history of our solar system, objects in distant orbit "invade" our local region and cause chaos, often being attracted to the gravity of other planets and colliding with them. A brief glimpse at the surface of the Moon and the 1000's of thousands of visible impact creators are a testimony to this.

I should point out that Velikovsky's academic background was in psychiatry, and not in astronomy or physics, and that his writings have largely been discredited by scientists as pseudo-science; since I must accept this judgement on many of Velikovsky's claims, I should point out that I am only referring to his basic theory, which is that the orbits of the planets have not always been as they are now, and that there are many other distant objects in our solar system which are attracted by the gravity of the sun, and that this may be the explanation for the widespread reports of global cataclysms, and in particular the Pleistocene Extinction of some approximately 12,000 years ago.

There are various explanations for the radical change in the past temperature of the earth; the most common is that the sun heats up an cools down; another is that the atmosphere of the earth changes, allowing more or less sunlight (or almost no sunlight in the case of a collision with a large object which have filled the atmosphere from the dust of it's collision), but a more radical explanation is that other "large" objects on a spherical orbit visit the local region of our solar system close to the sun, and that their magnetism affects all other planets and changes their distance to the sun; this is a rather radical view as this could not be caused by small objects, but only by a very large planetary sized object; this is further a theoretical view as there is no scientific or reliable evidence for this in recent history; however even 12,000 years ago is "recent" in terms of the age of our solar system, and of course we have no reliable means of knowing exactly what ocurred in our solar system that far back.

Imagine 10 small negative magnets (like planets) spinning around a large positive magnet (like our sun), and then imagine throwing another large negative magnet into the array; obviously it would affect the positions of all other magnets. Whether this has happened or not in our solar system with large objects is only theoretical, but if the object was large enough, it could certainly affect our orbit.

In conclusion.

We live in a chaotic solar system. Our planet has been subjected to natural disasters due to the chaos and space debris of our system. It is generally accepted that the extinction of the dinosaurs was probably caused by the impact of an mass from outer space which may have created a global dust storm.

The sun and Moon would have darkened and it may have seemed as if the stars had fallen from heaven; vegetation and then animals would die. This has nothing to do with the ramblings of prophets or the fanatics of the primitive tribalist deity of the ancient Israelites; it is simply a fact of our solar system that we are constantly being bombarded with space debris. How many times such disasters have come to the earth in our hundreds of millions of years of existence is unknown, however it "has" happened in the past, probably on many occasions, and it is almost without question that it will happen again, and again, and again, and it has nothing to do with the inane ramblings of the religious fanatics and their holy prophets.

To predict future disasters due to space debris is as certain as predicting that the son will rise again tomorrow.

Sun & Moon and Stars will fall from heaven (metaphorically speaking; it will at least seem that way).


Lux
Blasphemy, Heresy, War, Revolution, etc.
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NB. Disclaimer. I should point out that I am no more a professional scientist or astronomer than Velikovsky was; they are not my fields of academic speciality; I am limited to reading articles by other scientists. If any of the claims made in this essay can be established to be "pseudo-scientific" fact or "pseudo-scientific" theory, I will revise my positions accordingly.

Criticisms based on Biblical fanaticism and 6-Day Creationism are also welcome; I always like to give the religious fanatics the opportunity to prove how stupid they are.

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www.youtube.com...

You just have to have faith.

No, really! Because when you begin loading up the facts, the whole story just sinks.

I just heard about this site on Free Thought Radio a few minutes ago but I haven't had time to check it out yet. I don't know if it addresses your question or not.

Noah's Ark: A lost legend about Ziusudra, king of Sumer

Catastrophism makes the world go round....

Like the tree standing VERTICALLY in the coal bed and straddling millions of years, or the Islands in Siberia made out of piles of crushed quick frozen animal carcasses, there are facts standing out that the myth doesn't cover.

Believe it or not, apples were not common till man made then so...Johnny Appleseed was a real person....

reply to post by Danbones

Originally posted by Danbones
Catastrophism makes the world go round....

Like the tree standing VERTICALLY in the coal bed and straddling millions of years, or the Islands in Siberia made out of piles of crushed quick frozen animal carcasses, there are facts standing out that the myth doesn't cover.

Citation needed.

Oh, I know these ideas, but I want to see where you got these ideas from before I address them from what might be a different source.

Why? I've heard them before. I've heard them refuted and refuted them myself dozens of times.

Believe it or not, apples were not common till man made then so...Johnny Appleseed was a real person....

Red herring. And humans used artificial selection to invent the modern varieties of apple from natural variants, Johnny Appleseed didn't do that.

reply to post by CosmicCitizen


So Noah gathered a few seeds from every single species of plant? We have about 280,000 species of plants extant right now. Do you know how much room that would take on top of all the animals?

Furthermore, are you aware of what invading armies used to do to land after they conquered it? They used to salt the land. What would happen in a year long global flood? A lot of saltwater would have stayed atop land for a year, rendering it infertile.

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The holy angels re-seeded the earth.

Originally posted by ReginaAdonnaAaron
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The holy angels re-seeded the earth.

*Citation needed*
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reply to post by dockers


maybe it is all fake maybe it isnt. did you knw right now nasa is trying to figure a way to make a space elevator? could this be something similar to the tower of babel? will god rain down destruction again if they make it ?

reply to post by nerbot


im not sure about most plants, but i do remember seeing some pictures of trees under the ocean. been there for a very long time and they are not dead. os a world flood would not kill off all the plant life. if trees can survive thousands of years in the salty ocean then maybe a few plants could survie a couple months

reply to post by Azador


why would he need to worry about the animals in the ocean? dont they normally swim? wouldnt they be better off left to the oceans?

reply to post by connorromanow


wasnt it 4 of every clean animal and 2 of every unclean animal?