reply to post by NoHierarchy
If we want to compare ourselves to "heaven" we MUST compare ourselves to very economically competitive/stable countries with higher levels of
freedom, health, equality, quality of life, happiness, environmental standards, workers rights, vacation time, access to health-care/higher-education,
etc. than even we have in the United States.
You are trying to perpetrate the same fraud most liberals/progressives fall back on; comparing a country with an ethnically and culturally diverse
population of 320,000,000, to smaller, culturally-insular, nation-states, many of which have populations smaller than individual American states. You
might as well compare apples with chickens.
What you suggest is a false proposition. There are no countries, of similar size to the U.S., that offer what we do in the constellation of variables
Think of countries with populations greater than 150,000,000:
China, India, Indonesia, Brazil, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nigeria, and Russia.
Now, which of those
, “comparables” would you use for your “example” or “standard?”
We MUST look towards countries like Germany, Canada, France, Norway, Sweden, Finland, etc.
Why? You cherry-pick to suit your own criteria without thinking whether those criteria even apply to the US. Do all the people of the US live in an
area the size of Colorado, or have comparable populations or economies? Are you suggesting the E.U. is comparable to the U.S. of A.? Population
differences notwithstanding, the EU member states
range from among the richest, most insular, isolated of the entire planet, to some of
the poorest and most corrupt.
I see propositions such as yours as an argument for greater states rights
and against the massive federal control the evolution of which
we have witnessed since the end of WWI.
When you consider the examples you’ve suggested, you will see that each has fashioned its own, unique solutions and economies to suit its individual
situation. Even so, what one offers will not transfer to any other, or to the Continent as a whole.
Even as you spout this nonsense, one of the greatest points of dispute in the EU are the “itinerant patients.” Although, technically, each member
state is to provide care to foreigners consistent with that of its own citizens, this is not often the case, and is often bitterly fought over. Some
states have tools, staff or therapies others do not, but everyone wants to "share." The states object to the indiscriminate use of finite
These are examples of SOCIAL DEMOCRACIES. They are essentially the MOST MATURE, intelligent, and beneficial governments on the planet thus far.
And we really must look towards the most shining examples available.
Why? How can you extrapolate what a country with the population of Alabama or South Carolina (Norway ), or Minnesota (Finland, Denmark) can provide
to a diverse population/economy nearly 100 times its size? Even if you lumped all of the Scandinavian countries together, their population is less
than that of California, alone!
I suppose what you’d really advocate is that the U.S. be broken up so that each state can strive to be the “shining example” for its own people
that you refer to. You’re about 250 years too late.
Countries like the Scandinavian countries have employed FANTASTIC levels of freedom/democracy with FANTASTIC workers rights/environmental laws,
FANTASTIC economic stability and FANTASTIC benefits for its citizenry.
You left out the part about “on the back of foreign workers.” None of these states have an economy that functions on its own. All depend upon
outside employers and imported labor to maintain the standards you tout. Find a more apt comparison.
Can this be applied and scaled up 100% to America? Of course not perfectly.
“Not perfectly?” Having acknowledged that your comparison is inapt, please provide your insight how a nation of shipbuilders or fishermen, or an
auto manufacturers’ economy will scale-up to fit the entire U.S.
HOWEVER, there are ABSOLUTELY improvements we can make while looking to these countries as a guide.
Actually, I think many of your examples used US as a guide in restructuring after WWII.
We have NO excuses anymore... America is the only 1st world country without many of the humanitarian, economic, environmental, scientific, and
socio-political advances of other 1st world countries.
Prove it. We provide more humanitarian aid than anyone. We have the strongest economy, despite the Socialist, Marxist and anarchist sentiments that
try their hardest to destroy its foundations.
We lead the world in “green” initiatives and have just pledged to provide the large part of $100,000,000,000 to the “third world” for phony
We’ve been to the Marianas trench and the far side of the moon, no one cobbles together a better scientific community – we are the gold
Despite all the whining about poor, or expensive health care, we field the greatest advances in treatment, diagnosis and rehabilitation in the world.
Many of your “standards” limit or do not take advantage of our best tools, just to cut costs.
ALL of your examples have pretty much spent themselves into oblivion with programs they admit cannot be sustained on their own.
We are a strange mix of freedom/opportunity, the ILLUSION of freedom/opportunity, and extreme INVASIONS of freedom/opportunity. The future will
change no matter what, it's our choice whether we foster/support/fight for REAL freedom/opportunity or let the illusions and fears combine into
propaganda that ends up screwing over the slave class more than helping us.
And? How’s any of that different anywhere else? I guarantee that this applies to every one of your “standards.”