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reply posted on 19-2-2011 @ 01:57 PM by Sunsetspawn
Originally posted by ErtaiNaGia
reply to post by WhizPhiz
It doesn't matter if that man earns his living through ruthless and underhanded tactics, because that's what wins in this society, and survival of the fittest will always rule.
This is true for societies also, and any society that pretends that stealing is a better way of providing for its citizens than production, will find its enemies numerous, its resources strained, and its economy utterly crushed.
Hence, The global Financial Downturn.
edit on 19-2-2011 by ErtaiNaGia because: spelling
You're definitely on to something here, but there has to more to it than that. The human trait for "taking value" currently provides more fitness to the individual than the human trait for "creating value," and I can't think of any time in history that this wasn't the case. Is this something that will correct itself over tens of thousands of years? Can you explain how hurting "society-the-entity" will ever be detrimental to the fitness of the individual? The only example I can think of is the extreme cataclysmic event of violent revolution which doesn't happen often enough to influence the species. Without a consequence to the fitness of the individual, I'm afraid that the trait of "taking value" will forever be beneficial.
I've thought this through, and I've come to terms with it. There won't be any world peace, shared prosperity, local planetary or moon colonization, and certainly no interstellar anything. Human civilization will languish like a sine wave until a near-ELE blows us back to the stone age. With any luck we'll be wiped out completely to make way for another species' advancement.
reply posted on 19-2-2011 @ 03:05 PM by Amaterasu
Originally posted by pcrobotwolf
reply to post by ErtaiNaGia
A lot of women don't think logically in relationships please do not kill me for this but its true and I'm not saying they don't think logically I'm saying in relationship they don't. They let emotions take control and when that happens wow watch out.
Won't jump down your throat. But as one intelligent woman, I can say that the same is true for men. I cannot tell you how many times (and from many men) I have heard, "I'm right because I'm right."
At that point, not liking argument, I nod and tell them they're right. Usually the issue is petty, anyway.
reply posted on 19-2-2011 @ 03:29 PM by Sly1one
reply to post by ErtaiNaGia
It could be several different things.
Intelligent men could realize that this world is severely void of freedom/justice/peace and abound with suffering and corruption etc, who the hell would want to bring someone else into this mess against their will?
I used to think along these lines and vowed never to get married or have kids. I reneged in this pretty hard a year ago when I got married and had a kid within a 2 year period...
I love my wife and daughter with everything I have and the EXPERIENCE of having them in my life has definitely changed my perspective and approach to life.
I am burdened with a sense of guilt as to what type of world I brought my daughter into. What type of life is she going to have to live? Especially concerning the state of the world currently.
It could also be that the more intelligent males have troubles with relationships because their "interests" and "topics of discussion" bore their dates, the interests are not the same. While she is concerned with the latest Jersey Shore or Kardashian show, the latest fashion trends and consumption he is contemplating quantum physics the nature of our reality and the realities of other dimensions etc...this relationship won't go too far I don't think.
Luckily my wife has intelligence that matched mine and we feed from each others outlooks..This is ultimately why we got married.
Unfortunately I think women succumb and become victim to the consumption game easier than men, there is just simply more stuff for women to consume. Disclaimer: not all women are like this.
I do believe though that women are at a significant disadvantage when it comes to "seeing" through the materialistic BS as opposed to men.
The disease that has become our society from over consumption and excess is killing everything, our relationships with the opposite sex and willingness to participate in this crap anymore are just an example of what society is evolving into.
It could be several different things.
Intelligent men could realize that this world is severely void of freedom/justice/peace and abound with suffering and corruption etc, who the hell would want to bring someone else into this mess against their will?
I used to think along these lines and vowed never to get married or have kids. I reneged in this pretty hard a year ago when I got married and had a kid within a 2 year period...
I love my wife and daughter with everything I have and the EXPERIENCE of having them in my life has definitely changed my perspective and approach to life.
I am burdened with a sense of guilt as to what type of world I brought my daughter into. What type of life is she going to have to live? Especially concerning the state of the world currently.
It could also be that the more intelligent males have troubles with relationships because their "interests" and "topics of discussion" bore their dates, the interests are not the same. While she is concerned with the latest Jersey Shore or Kardashian show, the latest fashion trends and consumption he is contemplating quantum physics the nature of our reality and the realities of other dimensions etc...this relationship won't go too far I don't think.
Luckily my wife has intelligence that matched mine and we feed from each others outlooks..This is ultimately why we got married.
Unfortunately I think women succumb and become victim to the consumption game easier than men, there is just simply more stuff for women to consume. Disclaimer: not all women are like this.
I do believe though that women are at a significant disadvantage when it comes to "seeing" through the materialistic BS as opposed to men.
The disease that has become our society from over consumption and excess is killing everything, our relationships with the opposite sex and willingness to participate in this crap anymore are just an example of what society is evolving into.
reply posted on 19-2-2011 @ 04:19 PM by UKmonster
reply to post by ErtaiNaGia
hey
, maybe u shouldnt think of having a high IQ as a negative :L i bet if you looked at the average income of people with an IQ of above 100 it
would be double that below 100 , 
hey
, maybe u shouldnt think of having a high IQ as a negative :L i bet if you looked at the average income of people with an IQ of above 100 it
would be double that below 100 , reply posted on 19-2-2011 @ 04:53 PM by Sherlock Holmes
reply to post by TheLaughingGod
LOL.
Most of your post could have been written by me, as your experience echoes mine in many ways.
I bought in to the whole ''women are impossible to understand'' thing and the general bad advice that about finding a nice girl right up until my late teens and early 20s.
It was only after getting my fingers burnt a few times
and seeing several nice girls pass me up in favour of men who - without wishing to sound
arrogant - didn't offer as much as I did, that I realised that I was approaching it all wrong way and that everything that I had been taught about
women was largely bs.
It was at this point that I decided to ignore and forget all my preconceptions about what women want and how to attract them, and instead, through logic and observation, I studied and analysed their behaviour, attitudes, interactions, and generally what made them tick, for a couple of years.
The more I analysed and applied the results of this analysis in my meetings with women, the more successful I became over the two years, until I finally thought ''Is this it ? There's nothing more ?''.
Consequently, I find women to be largely boring, easily manipulated, and - dare I say it - child-like, and I have no interest in forming anything other than a physical relationship with them.
I don't mean to be mean, and I know there are women who aren't like this, but I really haven't got the inclination to go out of my way to find one.
I wish I was a teenager again, when they still had mystery about them.
LOL.
Most of your post could have been written by me, as your experience echoes mine in many ways.
I bought in to the whole ''women are impossible to understand'' thing and the general bad advice that about finding a nice girl right up until my late teens and early 20s.
It was only after getting my fingers burnt a few times
and seeing several nice girls pass me up in favour of men who - without wishing to sound
arrogant - didn't offer as much as I did, that I realised that I was approaching it all wrong way and that everything that I had been taught about
women was largely bs. It was at this point that I decided to ignore and forget all my preconceptions about what women want and how to attract them, and instead, through logic and observation, I studied and analysed their behaviour, attitudes, interactions, and generally what made them tick, for a couple of years.
The more I analysed and applied the results of this analysis in my meetings with women, the more successful I became over the two years, until I finally thought ''Is this it ? There's nothing more ?''.
Consequently, I find women to be largely boring, easily manipulated, and - dare I say it - child-like, and I have no interest in forming anything other than a physical relationship with them.
I don't mean to be mean, and I know there are women who aren't like this, but I really haven't got the inclination to go out of my way to find one.
I wish I was a teenager again, when they still had mystery about them.
reply posted on 19-2-2011 @ 05:36 PM by ErtaiNaGia
reply to post by Beyond Creation
This is a Highly uninformed and idiotic opinion, Intelligence is a measure of critical thinking, abstract thinking, problem solving, and knowledge application, A.K.A. What built the world that is around you.
Please do not *ATTACK INTELLIGENCE* in a thread describing how TPTB are attacking intelligence.
IT MAKES YOU LOOK LIKE THE ENEMY
Just saying.
reply to post by Sherlock Holmes
And this is also a pseudo Scientific Bull[snip] Response, IQ is a rather rigorous determination of intelligence, seeing as how we KNOW what intelligence is by MANY metrics, including Definition, Neuro-Scientifically, and what have you.
No, listen.... that is WHAT INTELLIGENCE *IS*
IQ Tests MEASURE INTELLIGENCE.
This is a common misconception, that there are forms of intelligence that are not "Intelligence", like "Kicking a Ball Intelligence" for example, popularized in the book "The Theory of multiple Intelligences by the Jewish Howard Gardner.
The Theory of Multiple Intelligences, and Emotional Intelligence is a Pseudo-Scientific *FICTION*
None of it is REAL, and none of it is even ACCEPTED by the scientific community.
Here, take a look at some of the Psychologists, Psichiatrists, Neuroscientists, etcetera that discourage taking Gardners "Theory" (And I use the word as loosely as possible) seriously.
www.bcl.edu.ar/spip/IMG/pdf/3.pdf
The Myth of Multiple Intelligences
Inadequate Evidence for Multiple Intelligences,
Mozart Effect, and Emotional Intelligence Theories
The Qualifying statement at the beginning of this paragraph "What I Believe" should have been bolded, Highlighted, and made 2 text sizes larger so that we can all be absolutely sure that you are attacking intelligence for no reason other than a hunch. So I have done that for you.
You are of course, Completely Wrong.
Social Intelligence is not a Real form of intelligence, it is merely a skill set consisting of experiance and knowledge about situations.
It requires experiance and positive feedback to gain Social Aptitude... that is all.... and that is something that Intelligent people get less often, as they have the weight of the world placed on their shoulders.
You see:
Women require Greater and greater "Experience" and "sexual confidence" in their male mates as they get older (as they "Sample" other men), thus, men who didn't "get er Done" when they were supposed to be LEARNING, will have a harder time than those whose scholastic schedule revolved around making them more physically attractive, socially dominant, and surrounded by perky cheerleaders for that added confidence boost. (Not to mention the draw of a men dressed to present a unified front of strength for psychological intimidation....)
Please stop using "Social Intelligence" "Multiple Intelligence" and such as actual words that you believe have some sort of Merit, they DON'T... they are not REAL THINGS, and have NEVER met the criterion for accepted scientific theories, and have been COMPLETELY Debunked.
This is what I mean about an ATTACK on intelligence..... By the Way.
People with high IQs are good at IQ tests. That's it. Intelligence has far more meaning than answering multiple answer questions about patterns etc
This is a Highly uninformed and idiotic opinion, Intelligence is a measure of critical thinking, abstract thinking, problem solving, and knowledge application, A.K.A. What built the world that is around you.
Please do not *ATTACK INTELLIGENCE* in a thread describing how TPTB are attacking intelligence.
IT MAKES YOU LOOK LIKE THE ENEMY
Just saying.
reply to post by Sherlock Holmes
Intelligence is far too complex and subjective a concept to be accurately measured or quantified.
And this is also a pseudo Scientific Bull[snip] Response, IQ is a rather rigorous determination of intelligence, seeing as how we KNOW what intelligence is by MANY metrics, including Definition, Neuro-Scientifically, and what have you.
IQ tests merely attempt to measure some aspects of intelligence, such as logic and problem-solving, and consequently, the result of an IQ test only suggests someone's level of adeptness at applying these skills, and is not an indicator of intelligence as a whole.
No, listen.... that is WHAT INTELLIGENCE *IS*
IQ Tests MEASURE INTELLIGENCE.
They are not an accurate measure of other important facets of intelligence
This is a common misconception, that there are forms of intelligence that are not "Intelligence", like "Kicking a Ball Intelligence" for example, popularized in the book "The Theory of multiple Intelligences by the Jewish Howard Gardner.
The Theory of Multiple Intelligences, and Emotional Intelligence is a Pseudo-Scientific *FICTION*
None of it is REAL, and none of it is even ACCEPTED by the scientific community.
Here, take a look at some of the Psychologists, Psichiatrists, Neuroscientists, etcetera that discourage taking Gardners "Theory" (And I use the word as loosely as possible) seriously.
www.bcl.edu.ar/spip/IMG/pdf/3.pdf
The Myth of Multiple Intelligences
Inadequate Evidence for Multiple Intelligences,
Mozart Effect, and Emotional Intelligence Theories
*What I believe to be the case, in terms of IQ scores, is that the average to above average level is all you need on a practical, day to day basis, and that anything higher is only useful in an academic sense.
In other words, having an IQ of 170 isn't going to give you any advantage over someone who has an IQ of 100 in a real-world set of scenarios and situations.
The Qualifying statement at the beginning of this paragraph "What I Believe" should have been bolded, Highlighted, and made 2 text sizes larger so that we can all be absolutely sure that you are attacking intelligence for no reason other than a hunch. So I have done that for you.
You are of course, Completely Wrong.
Those who score highly on IQ tests are usually involved in academic and scientific pursuits, as their skills are suited to that, whereas those who score averagely on IQ tests have much more of an opportunity to hone their intelligence to master more mundane and practical skills and gain a more balanced level of social intelligence.
Social Intelligence is not a Real form of intelligence, it is merely a skill set consisting of experiance and knowledge about situations.
It requires experiance and positive feedback to gain Social Aptitude... that is all.... and that is something that Intelligent people get less often, as they have the weight of the world placed on their shoulders.
You see:
Women require Greater and greater "Experience" and "sexual confidence" in their male mates as they get older (as they "Sample" other men), thus, men who didn't "get er Done" when they were supposed to be LEARNING, will have a harder time than those whose scholastic schedule revolved around making them more physically attractive, socially dominant, and surrounded by perky cheerleaders for that added confidence boost. (Not to mention the draw of a men dressed to present a unified front of strength for psychological intimidation....)
Please stop using "Social Intelligence" "Multiple Intelligence" and such as actual words that you believe have some sort of Merit, they DON'T... they are not REAL THINGS, and have NEVER met the criterion for accepted scientific theories, and have been COMPLETELY Debunked.
This is what I mean about an ATTACK on intelligence..... By the Way.
reply posted on 19-2-2011 @ 05:45 PM by ldyserenity
reply to post by ErtaiNaGia
Now don't take any offense to any of this. These are only my observations, and thus, from my point of view and not meant to demean anybody. Having said that I think the major issue is that most intelligent people are more analytical and less emotional, and thus have been socially awkward most of their lives. Also, they aren't usually very attractive (think of the nerds in Revenge of the Nerds) Not saying all intelligent men fit into this category, but a majority do. When a woman is looking to reproduce (and subconciously they all are), they seek out strength, asthetics, and security. Most intelligent men are lighter weight, a great many wear glasses (An old fashioned indication subconciously to the woman that his genetics are imperfect) I actually saw this on history of sex, so these are valid facts. I mean about the eyeglasses, but same goes if they use an inhaler, or have allergies, etc. Another big thing is intelligent men tend to be more controlling when they do have the strength behind it. Women do not like to be treated like a robot, so if they feel their partner may manipulate and coerce them etc, they may walk away.
This is coming from a woman. So there you go, I don't really think its so much discrimination, I beleive it really is more subconcious.
Now don't take any offense to any of this. These are only my observations, and thus, from my point of view and not meant to demean anybody. Having said that I think the major issue is that most intelligent people are more analytical and less emotional, and thus have been socially awkward most of their lives. Also, they aren't usually very attractive (think of the nerds in Revenge of the Nerds) Not saying all intelligent men fit into this category, but a majority do. When a woman is looking to reproduce (and subconciously they all are), they seek out strength, asthetics, and security. Most intelligent men are lighter weight, a great many wear glasses (An old fashioned indication subconciously to the woman that his genetics are imperfect) I actually saw this on history of sex, so these are valid facts. I mean about the eyeglasses, but same goes if they use an inhaler, or have allergies, etc. Another big thing is intelligent men tend to be more controlling when they do have the strength behind it. Women do not like to be treated like a robot, so if they feel their partner may manipulate and coerce them etc, they may walk away.
This is coming from a woman. So there you go, I don't really think its so much discrimination, I beleive it really is more subconcious.
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reply posted on 19-2-2011 @ 06:00 PM by MMPI2
reply to post by Sherlock Holmes
I wish you would share with the rest of us the result of your study, research and insight.
I studied and analysed their behaviour, attitudes, interactions, and generally what made them tick, for a couple of years. The more I analysed and applied the results of this analysis in my meetings with women, the more successful I became over the two years, until I finally thought ''Is this it ? There's nothing more ?''
I wish you would share with the rest of us the result of your study, research and insight.
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