US vetoes UN resolution condemning Israeli settlements

Originally posted by projectvxn
We send Israel roughly 2 billion in various forms of aid per year. A DROP in the bucket of the budget and supported by most in the US.

It's the better part of $3 Billion a year and the bulk of it is military aid. Hardly any money goes to anything other than guns and tanks.

Also, I think alot of Americans would be interested to know that since 1947, the USA has sent almost $110 Billion to Israel in the form of weapons. Maybe then they could understand why the "terrorists hate America", to coin a phrase...

I doubt they will though, to be honest. Sometimes even when you spell it out clear as day why this whole mess is still a mess some 60 years later for Americans they just simply don't get it. The brainwashing's good over there...

There are many that still equates zionism with jewish nationalism, and anti-zionism is anti-semitism. The horrors of the holocausts, of 6 million innocent jews being murdered by one single entity had clouded that judgement often enough by decent people, and the zionist are often quick to take advantage of that fact.

Zionism is nothing more than a political belief to rule a people. It has no more relation to religion than Hitler celebrates Christmas.

Zionism is akin to Nazi's racist propaganda, making use of a race for domination of mankind and rule over them as dictators would to slaves. Decent christian folks are duped by the smooth talking zionists, into believing that they will be amongst those saved if they allied themselves to a 'chosen people', similar tactics used by the Nazis whom treated the submissive french whom gave up their nation without a fight.

If it is religion that the christians need to wake up to, they need not look further that the Messiah's anger with the money dealers in the Almighty's temple in Jerusalem. He rebuked them and kick them out of the temple. The bible awaits one's confirmation on this event.

During ancient times, it was often the priestly class that gets an education, including their children, while the rest were taught nothing more than what is required for their fieldwork. Thus soon rose an educated class amongst them. Not every priest's child would become a priest. Some of them became clerks and merchants, adept with figures and facts, handling money.

And it was in the handling of money that greed soon overcome this educated class. The rest is history of how the banking scam about.

There will be some that trust only their 5 senses to define reality, and would no see the conspiracy created by the zionists. But even today, one has to be absolutely blind, deaf and dumb to not see the banking scams and how beholdened nations are to the zionists tentacles in commerce and politics.

These are not twisted facts but truths one can even read in the news, far different from the presumed 'caliphate' which had already long been denounced, never to be revived again by mankind for it is against the very teaching of the Koran.

Anyone who claims to authorised its revival is not a muslim but an adventurer with nothing to do with religion, no matter how many verses he may qoute, for there are thousands more that are against it. Islam is the DIRECT line of communication between man and our Creator, with NO heirachies or intermediaries in between. Any that exists are man made.

Some fear Sharia law. But if you had not stolen or robbed or killed, why fear harsh punishments? I do agree that in some of its laws, it is harsh, espacially to women, in our modern context, for it was written during a barbaric era and meant for those uncivilised nomadic days. Perhaps reforms are certainly needed, if not, then the wisest council of men should judge cases, and not just some half crazed koran touting pervert be called upon to judge.

At least in Islam, you are a free man and treated an equal. Under zionism, everyone including jews are slaves to the money masters.

Just as Americans finally wakes up to the president being a slave to the zionist camp in Congress with its veto to condemn the zionist leadership for its expansion into occupied territorities, an unheard of and undone issue since WW2 ended and freedom assured for all mankind.

The true enemies of Israel of the Jews are not the arabs or muslims. They had been living in peace for centuries. The true enemies had been the zionists whom through their greed had served doom upon the innocents jews for hundreds of years, and are still doing so to protect their own wealth and power for world domination.

US had already been conquered. The ME is on the list, but fortunately its people are rebelling against the zionist puppets. China is another story and another equally stronger political plot is afoot by the chinese to rescue their own ethnic group from the zionist corporation colluded CCP, impregnable by the zionist idealogy through their own civilisation history.

anyone who's shocked by this hasn't been paying attention.

second line.

reply to post by projectvxn

I don't hate Israel I have good Israeli friends. But they things that their government do are not right, we know that the Palestinians did not create a war with the Jewish people, they used to be friends with Jews, Christians, Muslims they were all happy until the state of Israel was created and started taking the land of the palestinians and they did it with the help of the U.N. So you are right, Dictators are in the U.N.
I respect you and all the Isrealis they are great and friendly people. But they are abusing their powers.

Right or wrong, friends or foe, what has happened...happened.

The record shows US' veto against the condemnation of zionist ( and not jewish) imperialism, akin to Spain, England and France of colonial days, even when the founding fathers themselves fought against imperialism and its evils of deprivation and discriminations, and more. They shared the land with the natives, and even pitted families against families in a long drawn dramatic civil war to end slavery, as well as sacrificing sons in WW2 to end colonialism. They were the noble founding fathers of USA the great, the last of noble mortals on Earth...

The ELECTED President is representative of the nation's people, the collective voice of americans through its representatives in UN and the UN security council.

And thus, EVERY american citizen are deemed to have supported this veto, for the President derives its power from its People as in accordance with the sacred US Constitution. There had been no protests, not a whimper through the channels over this henious act of imperialism that is not even by USA, but by the despicable theiving zionists.

This generation takes the blame and hatred sowed, and the stain of innocent blood spilt by other fellow humans whom are only brothers and sisters by divine creation.....

May the next generation be spared. They are innocent.....

I think it sucks my country is the biggest embarrassment on the planet. They think they can tell everyone what to do, they don't listen to others countries in the world unless it's in their best interest, they will not even listen to their own people. Our govt has become so arrogant it's pathetic.
But hey what other country in the world can you spend more time feeling apologetic than you do proud.

To say I am dismayed by some of the responses to this thread would be a complete understatement!

Israel may be a US ally, so that means they are fair game to basically do what the heck they like, regardless of international law, moral rights etc?

Seems some of decided to degrade the quality of the main facts by dragging in religious fear mongering, namely bringing up muslim radicalism. This has nothing to do with religion at a core level, what it has to do with is a country stepping beyond the boundaries of international law and moral behaviour to enact an agenda which goes against the vast majority of the "civilized" world.

And the good ol US of A condones it right the way to the bank! How can the US now have the audacity to stand up as a world leader and try to lead when it cannot even get its own Ally to work in a manner which is conducive to peace?

The past is just that, long gone and mostly dead - it has created the world we live in today, especially the borders and segregation, but when is the world going to grow up and start looking forward, and start acting in a manner which is in the least bit humanitarian. The middle east is undergoing massive change right now, what this veto has done will only add fuel to the fire for potential conflict. With what is happening Israel and the US (with its vested interests in the region) should be bending over backwards to keep peace in the region!

reply to post by stumason


I don't care that terrorists hate America because of our support for Israel. No terrorist is going to cause the US to abandon it's ally, as much as everyone else is itching for it. Just because we support Israel doesn't mean we're "brainwashed"...

Or are you brainwashed by terrorists?

reply to post by Billmeister


You're under the impression that I care what the UN, a global socialist proto dictatorship, has to say on such matters.

You're also under the impression that international law actually matters.
Reality says different, and if anything international law has given more
excuses for one nation to impose it's will on another.

The Iraq War comes to mind.

Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by Billmeister

 

You're under the impression that I care what the UN, a global socialist proto dictatorship, has to say on such matters.

You're also under the impression that international law actually matters.
Reality says different, and if anything international law has given more
excuses for one nation to impose it's will on another.

The Iraq War comes to mind.

edit on 19-2-2011 by projectvxn because: (no reason given)

Actually, it was quite clear that you do not care about what the rest of the world thinks, so I made no such assumption.

I was simply correcting your initial statement that 70% of those responsible for the resolution being discussed were dictatorships. You falsely assumed that this was a UN resolution when it was a Security Council resolution... two very different institutions.

the Billmeister

Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by Billmeister

 

The Iraq War comes to mind.

edit on 19-2-2011 by projectvxn because: (no reason given)

Exactly...no UN backing but we did it anyway, now they want something and we're showing our arrogance "again". I don't think you can blame countries for hating us, sad.

Originally posted by FarArcher
Well, good.

Israel won the land fair and square only after telling Jordan in 1967 that if Jordan didn't attack, Israel would leave them alone.

Jordan believed the BS Egyptian President Nassar told them, and not wanting to miss out of the Israeli Final Solution, attacked.

Jordan lost the land, and now it belongs to Israel. So why shouldn't they be able to build on it?

Everyone lives on land that belonged to another people at some point in the past, and your current borders were determined at some point in the past by warfare.

Nothing new here.

edit on 19-2-2011 by FarArcher because: (no reason given)

And if someone invaded your country, murdered your people and forcefully removed you from your land, I'm sure your opinion would remain consistant.

Just because something happens often or historically doesn't make it right. You could make the same argument for any number of crimes, some morally abhorent. It doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

Try again

Speaking of hypocrisy.

I would like to know when the UN is going to pass resolutions condemning Turkey for its treatment of the Kurds and China's treatment of Tibetans.

Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by backinblack

 

We send Israel roughly 2 billion in various forms of aid per year. A DROP in the bucket of the budget and supported by most in the US.

I disagree with this statement. I'd say that most in America have no idea that we give aid to Israel, and to be honest most of my friends probably couldn't find it on a map (I'm being serious). Also, most of my friends have no idea of the situation over there. Like most in America, people are distracted by everyday life and tv to give it any thought. I wouldn't call the people I know stupid, just not very informed about anything outside their bubble.

reply to post by NadaCambia

Try again? What kind of response is that?

Israel owns the land. Rome used to own most of the land known as Britain, so according to you - your land should be returned?

Or should it belong to those who won it?

Have any idea how modern international boundaries came into being?

Because at some point, someone kicked someone else's ass and drew a boundary around what they took. Only if you can take it back do you get to redraw the boundaries.

In fact, Israel screwed up by trying to accommodate the international community and designate certain areas to be "palestinian." That accommodation is costing Israel dearly.

Maybe next time, they will have learned the lessons about accommodation.

You're attacked, you fight, you win, and you kick others off the land. The determining factor of boundaries since time began.

reply to post by mayabong


Actually you're right about this.

I was using old numbers.

The current numbers are rising to about 6 billion by 2012 and 13 billion by 2020.

I stand corrected.

reply to post by MikeboydUS


Indeed. The Kurds are the largest ethnic group on Earth without their own nation, they are mistreated in Iraq, Turkey, Iran, and Syria and no one says a word.

Oh I know...How about Spain give up it's land to the Basque?

These recent posts bring up a very interesting discussion point as to the particular way these nations were formed.

The fact that they were lines drawn in the sand following WWI. The Ottoman empire was divided with little or no consideration for the particular ethnic groups living on the land. Perhaps a look at the root cause of these internal tensions would be important.

The gift of independence by colonial powers is seen as a good thing, and often is, but the way it was carried out, with little or no consideration for the people living there, has led to many conflicts worldwide.

Of course, hindsight is always 20/20.

I highly recommend David Fromkin's "A Peace to End All Peace" for a very thorough study on the matter.

And I apologize for the tangent from the OP.

the Billmeister

Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by Billmeister

 

You're under the impression that I care what the UN, a global socialist proto dictatorship, has to say on such matters.

You're also under the impression that international law actually matters.
Reality says different, and if anything international law has given more
excuses for one nation to impose it's will on another.

The Iraq War comes to mind.

edit on 19-2-2011 by projectvxn because: (no reason given)

Umm, I'm pretty sure Bush attacked Iraq against the vote in the UN...

reply to post by backinblack


What UN resolutions were used as an excuse? And under what resolutions were the US using to bomb Iraq continuously since 1991?

You should go back and look at the timeline from a NON biased source.