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US House blocks funding for Obamacare law (It begins-the ending)

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posted on Feb, 18 2011 @ 02:44 PM
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The GOP-led House voted today to block funding to implement the nation's health care law.



The action came on several amendments to a must-pass spending bill that would pay for government operations from March through September.


Specifically, the House voted to prohibit any funds be used by the Internal Revenue Service to carry out the law's mandate that Americans buy health insurance. The individual mandate, one of the law's key tenets, has been struck down by federal courts.

The House also adopted an amendment by Rep. Denny Rehberg, R-Mont., to bar the Labor and Health and Human Services Departments from spending any money for the rest of fiscal year 2011 on the health care law. Still another provision adopted today would ban the government from paying the salaries of any federal employee involved in implementing the health care law.

Senate Democrats, who blocked a GOP effort last month to repeal the health care law, will try to remove these provisions when the spending bill goes to their chamber after the President's Day recess. President Obama has vowed to veto the House bill, which seeks to cut at $61 billion in federal spending for this year.

Source: content.usatoday.com...

i guess the real story should be:

Republicans House members do what they promiesed to do-actually fullfilling a vital campaign promise and helping American get past this mess caused by Obama and his Liberal/Leftist cronies.

The first major step but not the last. Them dirty rotten repubs... how could they?

Go Rerepublicans in the US House.




posted on Feb, 18 2011 @ 02:54 PM
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Yes it is exciting to see America waking up from its long slumber, you can add Idaho being the first to nulify the health care bill, it passed our house yesterday, which was thursday Feb, 17th.

I just hope we start doing something about the monetary problem that the U.S is having, as well as the international communties



posted on Feb, 18 2011 @ 03:09 PM
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AHHHhhhh But they do not address the really nasty part of the Healthcare law, the change in the tax code that will wipe out many small businesses. (small business provides 50% of America's lobs)


Ugly Side Effect of Healthcare Bill's 1099 Law: More Tax Evasion

.....The Taxpayer Advocate also notes the new 1099 form could create a huge paper tsunami at the IRS. At least 38 million taxpayers will be subject to the new requirement, including 26 million who run sole proprietorships, two million farming businesses and one million charities, Olson says in a June report, based on IRS data.

“The IRS will face challenges making productive use of this new volume of information reports,” TAO Olson says, adding, “The IRS will have a difficult time detecting incidents of aggregate payments of $600 or more in a year by a small business to one vendor..it will be challenging for the IRS to sort these payments out.”

The December 2010 issue of the trade journal Tax Notes Today quotes Richard Skorny, former IRS deputy[..]ociate chief information officer, as saying the health-care law's implementation "will be bigger than Y2K for the IRS to implement -- it's pretty much unprecedented."

And Olson says she is worried about taxpayer mistakes, IRS mismatches and erroneous penalties....

The TAO notes how crazy the level of scrutiny and paperwork can get. New 1099 forms will need to be issued if your small business pays $600 for “health-care payments, attorney’s fees," “substitute payments in lieu of dividends or interest,” even, say, “fish purchases for cash” if you’re running a restaurant.

SMC Business Councils, a top small business group in Pennsylvania, says it surveyed its members and discovered that a typical small business in the state currently sends an average of 10 1099 filings a year.

But the new rules would blow out that average to more than 200 filings a year....

And then there are other ugly side effects. Start with reporting errors....


Anyone dealing with the exchange of goods, Sales clerks, gas station attendants, waitresses, salesmen or any one who fills out an expense account will also have to deal with the mammoth amount of extra red tape.

There are two business killers. First BEFORE a purchase is made you have to get the TIN number (SS#) name and address. Second if mistakes are made in the reporting the business is required to do a 28% withholding on ALL business transactions with vendors or consultants.

Can you just see some poor salesman arguing with a non-english speaking gas station attendant about why he is withholding 28% of the sales price????



posted on Feb, 18 2011 @ 03:13 PM
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what do americans have against healthcare. have americans been dumbed down to the point were they are clinically imbeciles that they prefer a corporation to make life and death decisions for you.

whether you live or die or the quality of your life is based on profit margins and stockholder's portfolio and dividends.

all obama is trying to do is negate profit and bottom lines from healthcare.

but what's funny is that once you retire from the workforce and your company is no longer paying your health premiums, every american who is against healthcare reform will run to the government for coverage, because they know they'll be at an age when they need it the most.

i'm sure not one of these people will allow themselves to die for their principles and refuse "socialist" medicaid.



posted on Feb, 18 2011 @ 03:23 PM
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there is health care and then there is forced health care and this Obama care is forced health, and no one should be forced to get what one thinks they should have.
That is the first step to a Dictator ship. I am a Democrat but this is not what i voted for.
Obama has misled a Nation and needs to be voted out.



posted on Feb, 18 2011 @ 03:47 PM
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Originally posted by randomname
what do americans have against healthcare. have americans been dumbed down to the point were they are clinically imbeciles that they prefer a corporation to make life and death decisions for you.

whether you live or die or the quality of your life is based on profit margins and stockholder's portfolio and dividends.

all obama is trying to do is negate profit and bottom lines from healthcare.

but what's funny is that once you retire from the workforce and your company is no longer paying your health premiums, every american who is against healthcare reform will run to the government for coverage, because they know they'll be at an age when they need it the most.

i'm sure not one of these people will allow themselves to die for their principles and refuse "socialist" medicaid.


How about we "force" you to buy life insurance. How about we "force" you to wear an rfid tag at all times with your medical information. How about we "force" you to get vaccinated in order to get health care?

Once you allow them to force us to do anything then it opens the doors for many other things.
And yes... of course we have been forced to pay social security and medicare and another 100 taxes... but where is it going to end!? And look at where those programs are at now!

There are better ways to reform our health insurance industry such as reducing frivolous lawsuits, fraud, etc...

We're sick and tired of being forced and raped!!!
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posted on Feb, 18 2011 @ 07:08 PM
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And in what you wrote lays the difference between the two camps.

We think we are being forced and they think they are doing us a favor.

I think I will stay with my side. NO FORCE. FREE CHOICE



posted on Feb, 19 2011 @ 12:08 AM
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1st off, I am going to start a drinking game, you have to take a shot or chug a beer if you read a title of a thread and it includes the words "It begins"


2nd you do know that all these bills have to go to Obama to sign right? Do you think he would sign a bill that de-funds his key piece of legislation?

This issue will go to the supreme court to be decided, and it won't be decided in Congress.



posted on Feb, 19 2011 @ 05:08 AM
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Okay then. They'll have the Democrates on record that they support an extremely unpopular law, that has now been deemed unconstitutional by a federal judge.

23 Democratic Senators are up for re-election in 2012. They will have a very interesting record to run on, or rather defend against come the primaries and runs.

Better than not doing nothing or going along with this piece of crap law that a vast majority of the Voting Public does not want.

I bet you the Dems won't be singing the same tune starting about Jan/Feb 2012. They aren't willing to get the snot kicked out of them again-especially for Obama. IMO



posted on Feb, 19 2011 @ 06:19 AM
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Originally posted by crimvelvet
reply to post by anon72
 


AHHHhhhh But they do not address the really nasty part of the Healthcare law, the change in the tax code that will wipe out many small businesses. (small business provides 50% of America's lobs)


source

On Feb. 2, 2011 the Senate voted to repeal the 1099 requirement that required reporting any transaction equaling or exceeding $600.00 during the time period of 1 year to issue a 1099 form. This is the part of the healthcare bill that would be a huge problem for small businesses.

The revised bill HR 705 is now in the house
On Thursday, Feb. 17, 2011 the House Ways and Means Committee approved the bill to send the measure to the full House.



edit on 2/19/2011 by Mahree because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 22 2011 @ 04:53 PM
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Originally posted by anon72
reply to post by whatukno
 


Okay then. They'll have the Democrates on record that they support an extremely unpopular law, that has now been deemed unconstitutional by a federal judge.


By extremely unpopular, you mean roughly half in support of it and half opposed?

With only 15% favoring repeal? Another 15% favoring partial repeal? and 15% wanting to wait and see how it works?

That means that a clear majority of Americans are either in support of the law...or are skeptical, but still would rather see how it works out before repealing any portion of it.

www.washingtonpost.com...

The spin from the GOP, it's outlets and it's financial backers is getting shoddy and transparent.


Originally posted by anon72

23 Democratic Senators are up for re-election in 2012. They will have a very interesting record to run on, or rather defend against come the primaries and runs.


Oh I can see 2012 very clearly and Americans will go to the polls saying...now I remember what is worse than a Democrat Politician!...a GOP Politician.


Originally posted by anon72

I bet you the Dems won't be singing the same tune starting about Jan/Feb 2012. They aren't willing to get the snot kicked out of them again-especially for Obama. IMO


2012 will be good days for Dems...a recovered economy, more Americans covered, more jobs, improved finances....and a look back at 2 years of GOP fighting with themselves and focused on self-serving and corporate issues like the repeal of healthcare, lowering taxes for the rich, reducing regulations big business, screwing over average Americans...see what Madison Wisconsin looks like right now?

All the GOP has got is "Cut spending" but when pressed they forgoe any repeal of tax breaks for millionaires or corporations and go straight to effing the average joe and throw in Sesame Street and NPR to boot. Who needs non-commercial news? We have FOX!

Geez the GOP has done nothing yet, but read a redacted constitution on the floor. No answers only greed and ambition and Americans see it more clearly with every passing day. Ther is a general sense of WTF even by those on the right.

2012 will be good for Dems...now if we can only get more 3rd parties in the ranks.



posted on Feb, 22 2011 @ 10:18 PM
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Just giving you the facts of the matter. And the real facts of the matter are, that the Senate is still controlled by Democrats, and we have a Democrat in the White House. So, while the House may pass all sorts of crazy bills, the Senate won't likely pass them, and even if they do, the President will probably veto.

See, FOX News loves to distort polls, they really do. They take people that are Undecided/Skeptical and call them for repeal or defending of this law. Which we both know isn't the truth, they are in fact, Undecided/Skeptical. What a shocker that FOX News would have an agenda right?



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