reply to post by apodictic
Hold your horses!!! This one was slipped in, almost slipped by....let's take a closer look:
Yeah nevermind the conversation with the guy I had who recorded the bloomingdale video, in which he stated he had dinner with a friend who
works at DuPage airport ground control, and he said they had a pilot radio in there were objects along side of him that weren't showing up on
??? Did I miss this mentioned earlier, by you? Kinda came out of the blue, seems to me. BTW...the Bloomingdale video that you re-posted a few
up....isn't that the EXACT same one that is the basis for this thread OP??
I (and many others) pointed out specifically on that the
appearance is airliners lined up in a row, and off in the distance, was obvious. I also pointed out that the camera never stayed in place for long
enough to detect their motion properly...BECAUSE they are so far away, the motion is slow, in relative terms, to the viewer from that distance. I
also mentioned the three ground-based lights in a triangle, left of screen in some shots...use those to compare the motion of the "lights in the
sky". You will see definite, slow and steady changes...JUST LIKE AIRPLANES at a distance!
Now....you say the guy (and or?) his Dad, from Bloomington spoke to whom? A "friend who works at DuPage airport ground control"?
OK...firstly, to me if you are referring to an air traffic controller, and a position they work...."ground control" is one duty inside an airport
control tower....and, it is what it says. Issuing of taxi clearances,and directing ground traffic. The other function is called "local"
control...they are responsible for takeoff and landing clearances, and local air traffic as it departs and arrives within about a 5 mile radius. Both
positions are in the same control tower cab....and, when it's slow, they can be staffed by one person. He/she can set his radio to transmit on the
two different frequencies simultaneously.
So...Bloomington man has dinner with an air traffic controller who works at the DuPage control tower?? Am I correct so far? Going with that...the
ATC guy claims a pilot reported "objects alongside of him" that weren't "showing up on radar"?
All right...well, was this PIREP (pilot report) at the SAME TIME as the Bloomington man's video?? (Roughly 20:00 CST). This anonymous pilot says
"objects"....if it was dark of night, then wouldn't he have said "lights"?
Now....pilots (even fairly inexperienced Student and Private Pilots) are better eyewitnesses than the average layperson, usually....but, being human
can still mistake normal things if they appear "odd". There's an old anecdote about a pilot for a Mexican airline, some years ago, all excited on
the frequency about a "UFO"...the controller is asking questions, when an American accented voice comes on and says, rather sardonically, "He's
looking at Venus!".
Now....DuPage Airport: It is West of O'Hare. Kind of in your area, maybe? flightaware.com...
So.....this anonymous pilot, tells an air traffic controller at DuPage about "objects alongside him"?? BUT, you say these lights you (and
Bloomington guy) filmed are over the Lake....or, according to you, farther East over Michigan?? Dude....seems unlikely a pilot would be talking to
the DuPage control tower while he was still way out over the Lake. Look at my link, there....that is the VFR Sectional chart for the Chicago area.
Zoom out, move it around, just like you do on Google Map.
See the light blue arcs? Those define the "Class B" airspace...merely the areas that require positive two-way radio and radar contact before
entering. See the numbers inside the sectors, printed like this:
That example tells the pilot the segment of Class B airspace is in effect from 10,000 MSL to 3,000 MSL (MSL = Mean Sea Level). Note the terrain in
your neck of the woods, about 600 to 700 feet MSL....so, if you're VFR, and don't want to talk to the TRACON (Chicago Approach Control) you can just
skirt underneath the Class B....but, remember the regulations require at least 1,000 feet above the surface, over populated areas. It's doable,
obviously. But, again....out over the Lake, why would a small airplane be talking to DuPage Tower yet?
One more thing....the "not showing up on radar" comment. It would require the DuPage Tower to have a radar screen installed in their facility. I
don't know if this is the case....it is possible, many such "satellite" airports have access to the same displays that the TRACON and major
airports also have. But, they may only be able to look, lot interact with the radar controls...as to display options, etc. Changing range scales,
display of primary (versus secondary) targets, and such. So, I smell some disinfo on this "not showing up on radar" business.
Sounds like a crock story....and another example of misplaced hysteria and exaggeration.