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reply posted on 23-2-2011 @ 10:54 AM by prof7
and if you want to see an example for Tor hidden services that is not just another web server with dubious or almost useless content then you should have a look at torchat.googlecode.com...

This is an instant messenger that has no central server, instead each user is reachable under his .onion address. You don't have to sign up with anybody or agree to some TOS or anything, you just start the program (which will upon first start generate a random ID for you) and you are immediately reachable to all other users under this ID.

Each user on your buddy list will connect each other "directly" through their hidden service ID, not through some provider's chat servers, and all messages and file transfers will travel through this DarkNet of Tor nodes while being encrypted all the time. Nobody sniffing the network traffic at any point would be able to tell what and with whom you are chatting or where they are located, You can easily contact somebody through his TorChat ID and talk to him but it would be incredibly complicated and expensive to reliably trace his location. TorChat is probably one of the closest to a real private (offline meeting in the woods) conversation you can get via the internet today.


reply posted on 23-2-2011 @ 12:31 PM by Royal76
reply to post by carlitomoore



Nicely done. Well researched, and with videos.

I've always suspected that there was a secret web, or something like that. Because the elite, and government don't let us use stuff unless what they are using is much, much better. It's the way of the world, so to speak. I do get tired of all the secrets sometimes, but i also understand it. Because a lot of people can't keep their mouths shut, and then other countries know our secrets, etc, etc.


reply posted on 25-2-2011 @ 06:30 PM by prof7
Seems they just want to draw as many people as they can in so they can have a larger pool of IPs to bounce off of.


Sorry but your posting sounds like spreading FUD. You are making things up that are simply not true.

Bouncing is OFF by default, you won't have any traffic unless you explicitly enable it. By default it acts as a client only and won't route anyone's traffic through your IP.

And if you decide to enable the routing feature you can of course throttle the traffic as in any other p2p application too. You can furthermore control whether it should act as exit or as middleman only and if you want to be an exit you have very fine grained control over which ports and which IP addresses you want to allow from your exit and which ones to block.

This means you can forward traffic as a middleman WITHOUT allowing exiting at your IP. This mode is safe to use for anyone, neither providers nor law enforcement care about it because it is PERFECTLY LEGAL unless you are in China or Iran.

You should read the help files that come with it and also the documentation on the project home page and not judge it solely from this thread alone or from the things that somebody simply makes up because he did not read the manual about how it works and is supposed to be used.

Tor is actually a good thing, the developers are on OUR side and not on THEIRS and there is no reason for speculations what the Tor-project might want to achieve, they are open and honest about their goals and about how the system works and if you have doubts then all code is open for anybody to inspect and to see what it really does and how it works.

There are no secrets in the Tor-Project, its all open.


reply posted on 27-2-2011 @ 02:26 AM by DavinciThales
reply to At present, governments and ICANN have the ability to "kill" the internet, either totally or in segments, by interfering with DNS.



While it is true they can kill the Domain Name System, it is impossible to kill total internet communication. A simple internet can be created with text-based protocols and servers for worst case scenarios. It would be internet technology based off the 1980s but our professor demonstrated a way to make it during lecture.

So while the general public would be without internet, the more resourceful ones would be able to figure a way to create a new connection.


reply posted on 27-2-2011 @ 12:28 PM by playswithmachines
reply to post by carlitomoore



S&F mate!
You should read Deep Black by Andy McNab, it's too close to the truth
Tor sounds like a good idea.
The hackers in the 80's used non-microsoft computers like Amiga's Ataris & Macs to become 'invisible' on the net, it's also one of the reasons the Amiga was banned in the U.S.!
Lucky i've still got mine


reply posted on 27-2-2011 @ 12:34 PM by playswithmachines
reply to post by DavinciThales



Sounds great.
Can you show us how it's done?
Should be possible with Basic, Amigados or C+ (which i am unfamiliar with)
I often use the Amiga to peek inside CAB files etc......


reply posted on 27-2-2011 @ 01:42 PM by playswithmachines
reply to post by Libertygal



Well said!
The porn part is sad but then the surface net can deliver pretty disgusting material if you make a typo
Yes, i think we will have to go back to a BBS type system. I for one, use browsers looking for very specific data or files, a typical G**gle search will invariably deliver 11,000 pages of crap, and maybe the one file i was looking for (if i'm lucky)
Now i have a huge list of specific domains (mostly P2P) where i can find specific data, but it's way too small.
The only deep portal i have at the moment is from CERN, and it's not easy for a non-software person like me...


reply posted on 27-2-2011 @ 05:37 PM by JBA2848
I noticed this site that has a large list of ips using tore nodes and is updated every hour. Not sure what to think. I thought tor hid all this information.

www.dan.me.uk...

You can even use his ip information search with the ip address and get gps data that you can use on google maps to get a street view of the location of the ip.
edit on 27-2-2011 by JBA2848 because: (no reason given)




reply posted on 5-3-2011 @ 01:47 PM by StealthyKat
reply to post by Violater1



I remember seeing a documentary on the deep web, and yep, they said that perverts use it for not just that, but other deviant stuff.


reply posted on 22-3-2011 @ 12:23 PM by prof7
Originally posted by n0tsan3
So I've noticed that this thread is pretty dead now... I've been bumping around the .onion world and have yet to come across anything conspiracy related. Does anyone have at least one .onion site for conspiracy?


Most people and owners of conspiracy forums don't (yet) feel the need to hide their websites. But .onion (and similar technology) is being developed to be readily available once it is needed. It is always a good idea to know what tools exist and how they can be used, even if you don't yet have any pressing need for them at the moment.

BTW: There is more things you can do with .onion than only using it for web sites. There is for example an instant messenger (TorChat) that uses the same .onion hidden server technology to make it possible to chat (IM) and send files without needing any chat server provider at all: You don't need to sign up for an account anywhere, you simply start the appliation (which will generate a random ID the first time you start it) and from then on you can use it to communicate with others encrypted and both-sided anonymously, no AOL, no Yahoo and no Google or any other IM provider will even know about your existence because it has no central chat server.

This little tool is quite handy and it is the only IM app I currrently use. It is extremely easy to set up and use, even for computer-illiterate people, much simpler than Skype, Yahoo, MSN or the like and communication is much more private.

You can find it here:
torchat.googlecode.com...
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