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posted on Feb, 20 2011 @ 04:55 AM
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The idea of there being a hidden or deep internet is interesting. I downloaded TOR and accessed the hidden wiki to have a look for myself. I went into the assassination market to have a look around but there's nothing of interest there. The idea seems to be that you bet on the date of the death of a certain individual with anonymous money. If the person dies on that date then the person that took the bet (a hitman) will receive his payment. This give plausable deniability to the individual that wanted to have the person killed.

However, there are only a handfull of posts and as far as I could tell no hits had taken place.

There are also links to sites that sell drugs or and porn sites. Nothing of interest really and to be honest I don't want to dig any deeper than I already have incase I come across something that I don't want to see such as CP, but if anyone here comes across anything of interest then by all means post links for the rest of us to see.
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posted on Feb, 20 2011 @ 10:59 AM
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There are many forums/boards with people sharing files and info that is not so easily attained on the regular web.
Some people won't upload anything without doing it through those boards because they don't want it easily accessible to just anyone.

There are also forums just like this one where people like to get together and discuss things in there own little private community. And they wouldn't talk about these things on the regular web.

That's why it is used by Wikileaks, Anon and many others. There are whole hacking communities that discuss and share info about all sorts of things. As I was trying to state before, it is not just an evil underground like some are making it out to be. Are there those evil areas? Sure..do you click links to take you there if you want to? Sure.

Most boards are labeled in categories and if you don't want to visit them then don't. But there just isn't an easy way to find "stuff" you are looking for since nothing is indexed through a search engine. By categories I mean things like, Social, Software, Warez, Hacking, Literature, WikiLeaks, Hidden services, News/History, Whistleblowing, Anonymous Finance, Documents, Chat etc.

Have a look at these boards....




Torgle is an attempt at a .onion search engine but it never works at all for me.
And even Torgle has this little disclaimer at the bottom of their search page..."BTW, don't try to search for kiddie porn here. Requests and/or known sites are subject to censorship, you hopefully won't find any. "
Torgle Screen

Hope that helps.

Want to know more? get Tor!

Stealth



posted on Feb, 20 2011 @ 12:12 PM
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Links for OSINT (Open Source Intelligence)
www.onstrat.com...

osint.deepwebtech.com...
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posted on Feb, 20 2011 @ 12:14 PM
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Wow...awesome. A few years ago when I did my thread on Deep Web I was disappointed that no new info arose. This thread is fascinating. Thanks for digging deeper.



posted on Feb, 20 2011 @ 12:32 PM
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Although the link you posted has a lot of resources all in one place, Even under the label "Deep (Invisible, Hidden) Web" the links they provide have nothing to do with the deep web. Amazon? PubMed? Even Complete Planet only shows surface web results when typing in a search term. Not sure what this link you posted has to do with this thread. They are all .com .net .gov .org etc addresses that can be accessed well.."normally". But thanks I'll bookmark it for having so many resources on one page.



posted on Feb, 20 2011 @ 12:38 PM
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Sorry, didn't catch the second link you posted. Only saw one link the first time. Still doesn't seem searchable though to find out much of anything. Am I missing something? I am all for finding a better way to actually "search" the deep web since I've spent many hours manually visiting database after database. Hopefully I am just overlooking something in your links that are helpful?

Thanks in advance.



posted on Feb, 20 2011 @ 12:41 PM
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Good afternoon Skyfloating. The OP stated originally that you had created a thread on this and linked to it. I am sure they will be happy you saw this and appreciate it being reborn. Any new input on actually finding ways to productively search the deep web would be helpful if you find out anything.

Have a good day.
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posted on Feb, 20 2011 @ 12:53 PM
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Wow, I clicked on the Categories page of your second link and there is a ton of interesting info here. Sorry for overlooking it the first time.



posted on Feb, 20 2011 @ 12:53 PM
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I see this whole thing as a phishing exercise by the government. Or some kind of honey pot to catch people who are in the under ground scene. The web sites that are being listed in this deep web or dark web are sites that are not meant to be posted in a front page head line. take the searches on the normal google search and type in hackers and you get the mainstream news style informaton. Now do the same search and change the s to z and look for hackerz and you get a more under ground list of sites. Same thing goes for crackz, hackz and so on. You have a lingo thing that seperates the mainstream from the under ground. I see these sites on deep web as l33chers trying to post hidden things and some how take credit for them or make money from them or just exploit them by creating a honeypots for traps. But then theres the other side that could be there to. The people like Assange trying to bring out a new set of hackers to feed his empire of wikileaks. But the whole thing just feels funny. But deep web and dark web even invisible web are government terms used by open source intelligence So I lean more toward some kind of honeypot for trapping. I know six months ago maybe year ago MIT was paid by the government to pick tor and onion routeing apart in the name of stopping childporn but I feel it was to target wikileaks and hackers. In the intelligence community it is popular to use childporn as way to target people or attack people. And that makes me feel this whole thing is some kind of honeypot. Just read some of the nfo files from the people in the under ground and you will find they dont want money or main stream fame they do it for fun. And they allways say don't try to find me if I want to find you I will.



posted on Feb, 20 2011 @ 01:03 PM
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Originally posted by JBA2848
I see this whole thing as a phishing exercise by the government. Or some kind of honey pot to catch people who are in the under ground scene.


You could very well be right about this, and if so they have been watching me for years whether using tor or another proxy or not. Although I have never had any reason to believe I have been "watched" you just never know. When I use to be into searching through all the databases I was mostly just curious, just like anyone who is currently visiting this thread. Anything that's not out in the open sparks interest. "curiosity killed the cat"?



posted on Feb, 20 2011 @ 01:13 PM
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I use to visit Astalavista a lot and it was a cool place to find stuff that wasn't freely available, and there were some good whitepapers to read about security and software. I quit going there because it seemed to become a place to pick up infected scripts all the time. I'll have to visit again and see if it's still a good place for searching, and if they've cleaned up their links.



posted on Feb, 20 2011 @ 01:22 PM
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So when Dubya was ridiculed for calling it "the internets" he may have been possibly hinting at the existence of this secret net.
Wonder how many other Bushisms should be given a second look?



posted on Feb, 20 2011 @ 01:27 PM
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Originally posted by Alxandro
So when Dubya was ridiculed for calling it "the internets" he may have been possibly hinting at the existence of this secret net.
Wonder how many other Bushisms should be given a second look?


Could be true. I'm still under the impression that he was a lot smarter than people give him credit for. I mean, if I and others can "dumb down" to fit in with society then surely an incredibly smart elected President (for two terms no less, can't have been hated that much) could do the same to help shift focus from real issues and onto his "idiotic thought and speech patterns" right?



posted on Feb, 20 2011 @ 03:29 PM
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I didn't notice this earlier when I was looking at the hidden wiki, but even one of the forums links on there (as can be seen in the screenshot by the poster above) is saying that it's OK to post or upload pedo,necro, bestiality and murder content as long as it's in the correct channel. WTF? That's like ATS saying that it's OK to post about UFO's as long as it's in the UFO forum. It's so blatant that it's quite frankly unbelievable and sickening.

Why can't the authorities track this bunch of scum down?



posted on Feb, 20 2011 @ 03:51 PM
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For every sick and twisted website like that there are 10 other ones which offer perfectly legal information. It's not nice that those places exist but it's like anything else in this world, there are good and bad parts. It's like selling knives, most people use them for cutting vegetables, some people use them to hurt another human being, should we therefore get the government to ban all knives?

As for the government doing something, believe me they are. Most countries have dedicated units whose sole purpose is to track down paedophiles, many of them get caught eventually and other prisoners treat them as they deserve to be treated. What goes around comes around.



posted on Feb, 20 2011 @ 04:03 PM
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What I was referring to is already banned. Child pornography, necrophilia, rape and murder are all banned everywhere that I can think of so I'm not sure what point you were trying to make there.

What I was saying was that surely the authorities can track these scumbags down if we're able to find their hangouts so easily. That's a far cry from saying that we should ban the internet or .onion websites..if that's what you were getting at. I'm still not sure.



posted on Feb, 20 2011 @ 04:47 PM
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Originally posted by RMFX1
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What I was referring to is already banned. Child pornography, necrophilia, rape and murder are all banned everywhere that I can think of so I'm not sure what point you were trying to make there.

What I was saying was that surely the authorities can track these scumbags down if we're able to find their hangouts so easily. That's a far cry from saying that we should ban the internet or .onion websites..if that's what you were getting at. I'm still not sure.



Ok maybe i misunderstood your point however i already answered your question. The government, specifically the police already track these people down. That is why so many paedophiles are caught and convicted, the police get bashed for not doing their job but the rate of child abuse has diminished in most countries with well funded specialised units.

Understand how TOR works. It bounces someones connection around the net so that their origin is difficult to pinpoint. There are a few ways to try and track people down but if they are careful then the police just get the IP address of the exit node that person was using. This has led to some real trouble for people running exit nodes, for example.

www.theinquirer.net...

I actually read one a while back where a guy was arrested on child porn charges because someone had used the node he was running to download the stuff. Can't find that story atm but i think he managed to prove his innocence. Point being that law enforcement is in a very difficult position, both tracking people who use TOR for illegal activity and proving it was the person in question who broke the law. The police are doing their best.



posted on Feb, 20 2011 @ 10:07 PM
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Several members have commented on these “assassination markets” that can be found on Hidden Wiki, and I just thought I would share some additional information on the concept and how it is supposed to work.


Imagine for a moment that as ordinary citizens were watching the evening news, they see an act by a government employee or officeholder that they feel violates their rights, abuses the public's trust, or misuses the powers that they feel should be limited.  A person whose actions are so abusive or improper that the citizenry shouldn't have to tolerate it.

What if they could go to their computers, type in the miscreant's name, and select a dollar amount:  The amount they, themselves, would be willing to pay to anyone who "predicts" that officeholder's death.  That donation would be sent, encrypted and anonymously, to a central registry organization, and be totaled, with the total amount available within seconds to any interested individual.  If only 0.1% of the population, or one person in a thousand, was willing to pay $1 to see some government slimeball dead, that would be, in effect, a $250,000 bounty on his head.

Further, imagine that anyone considering collecting that bounty could do so with the mathematical certainty that he could not be identified, and could collect the reward without meeting, or even talking to, anybody who could later identify him.  Perfect anonymity, perfect secrecy, and perfect security.  And that, combined with the ease and security with which these contributions could be collected, would make being an abusive government employee an extremely risky proposition. Chances are good that nobody above the level of county commissioner would even risk staying in office.

Just how would this change politics in America?  It would take far less time to answer, "What would remain the same?"  No longer would we be electing people who will turn around and tax us to death, regulate us to death, or for that matter sent hired thugs to kill us when we oppose their wishes.


Assassination Politics - Jim Bell

It seems like the concept hasn’t caught on or been developed seriously, but it’s an interesting idea and the process and mechanisms have been thoroughly conceived and are certainly plausible.



posted on Feb, 21 2011 @ 03:29 AM
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Dam, this is pretty crazy. I've been using TOR for awhile now, but never knew about any of this other stuff, I mainly just used it when I wanted to hide or change my IP.



posted on Feb, 21 2011 @ 06:05 AM
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