Public Worker Protests Spread From Wisconsin to Ohio

Originally posted by VType
I got news for you.
Its a lot more than just union employees there and should show which way the populous is swaying.
But GOP and their head in the Corporate butt tactics wont allow them too see any Civil Logic.
Why the Attack on folks earning only $30-$50 k a year and not even a Boo for those making the 6,7 and 8 figures a year?

YeeHaw......

Why the "attack" ... well for starters I pay the salaries of state workers and have no choice in the matter unlike corporations that I dont have to patronize. They hop in bed with politicians who lavish them good pensions with short vestment periods, low cost health care, lots of PTO, and sorts of goodies and the unions turn out in droves to vote for these politicians, let the politicians utilize the union’s massive GOTV and organizing network, and contribute hundreds of millions a year.

And while all this is going on, the politicians whine about how the state workers will have to sacrifice so much if we don’t raise taxes. Well guess what, now I’m the one sacrificing, except I don’t get a guaranteed COL + 4% pay raise every year regardless of performance.

The tax payers are sick to death of supporting this corrupt symbiosis.

reply to post by rogerstigers


You know... I gotta admit, I do fall into the "passive" category.
I am one of those guys that do nothing but at the same time hoping others start doing something.

Yea, kind of a shame i know but what can you do?

Originally posted by rogerstigers
reply to post by thisguyrighthere

 

In fact, I tend to have to buy a lot of supplies for projects and assignments in the school.

Have to or choose to?

I find it hard to believe there is a mandate requiring you to supply materials for projects and assignments. Ever consider not using a lesson plan that calls for materials that will not be made available to you?

We have programs and projects in the library world. We wouldnt set something up we couldnt supply or fund. That would be foolish.

While I have a "teacher" at attention I'd like to express my disappointment with how so many of you under-use, misuse and abuse libraries. A little cooperation goes a long way to getting things done. I've noticed over the years smaller schools and private schools are all too happy to coexist and work toward mutual benefit while the larger schools and union run schools treat us like trash and refuse any and all cooperation to their students direct detriment. As if they didnt care at all about the student or the lesson but only their union and tenure. Imagine that.

I think before all the Libertarians, Conservatives, and other small government people start jumping for joy they may want to analyze what began in Wisconsin. First off the Republican Party was formed in Wisconsin to oppose the states' rights, free-trade, and Jacksonian Democrats. Next was the Progressive movement with such champions as Theodore Roosevelt and Robert M. Lafollette, Sr.

If this is the beginning of an uprising it will be a labor led, 'populist', and Socialist (leaning) uprising and not one of what many equate with freedom here on these forums.

It could become the reintroduction of the old labor movement from the early 20th century which led to great violence and even bombings. Do you think this will be some peaceful Kumbaya “let us get together and take down tptb?” Yeah right…

Even FDR knew not to support public sector unions and that is what this is all about, the public sector unions and their revolutionary tactics.

“Meticulous attention,” the president insisted in 1937, “should be paid to the special relations and obligations of public servants to the public itself and to the Government….The process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service.”

“[a] strike of public employees manifests nothing less than an intent on their part to obstruct the operations of government until their demands are satisfied. Such action looking toward the paralysis of government by those who have sworn to support it is unthinkable and intolerable.”

reply to post by SirMike

Simple solution: Hold the Real culprits responsible ie: The companies and millionaires you refuse/d too collect from should be paying Their fare share not blaming a $40k worker whom has some negligible benefits that in truthfullness arent but a fraction of the fiscal problems the Anti corporate tax Happy Gop has caused.
This displaced blame is so sheepish its not even funny anymore and according too my TV a lot of middle and lower income folks believe the same and are out showing it.
I believe we will have a class war if regular people dont start getting represented and soon.
Stop cutting workers wages Start collecting from the rich and enforce the worker protection laws.

Such a huge chunk of our tax dollars go for education, but there is not much that makes it to the schools and the teachers. I strongly suspect that a lot of the money is put in pockets of board members, etc. Our education system is in terrible shape. Students do not know the simple "R"s, much less the expanded version of education. How many students are unable to name the branches of government; how to find their state or their nation on a world map? We are not educating our children and we are stuffing money in politicians pockets. I do not think we should continue on with the way unions are run. If teachers are not able to stand on their own and articulate their demands to the school board, etc., then they do not have the intelligence to teach my child.

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere

Originally posted by rogerstigers
reply to post by thisguyrighthere

 

In fact, I tend to have to buy a lot of supplies for projects and assignments in the school.

Have to or choose to?

I find it hard to believe there is a mandate requiring you to supply materials for projects and assignments. Ever consider not using a lesson plan that calls for materials that will not be made available to you?

I am not a teacher. I, as a parent, have to buy supplies for my kids. And I am not talking pens and pencils and notepads. I am talking artistic supplies for a history class project that was required, or chocolate chips or pepperoni for a life skills project.

I don't generally have a problem doing this since the teachers would have to buy the supplies otherwise (the state does not provide much assistance for supplies for projects that are not aimed directly at passing the Texas Assessment of Knowledge and Skills test). But it does show that our education system is screwed up when my property taxes for the school district go up every year along with my out of pocket expenses.

I remember how the ball got rolling (downhill) in vegas. a few years ago in a relatively short, time frame, the schools were swamped with massive influx of illegal kids. schools that were already near capacity suddenly had to squeeze more and more kids in. the city didn't know what to do so they kept building more and more schools. now with all these kids most of which couldn't speak english, teachers were feeling the grind, instead of being able to rove around the classroom and dedicate time to individual students, they had to make do.

then eventually the bottom began to fall out, and the money dried up. instead of addressing the issue, everyone blamed the teachers and the union. now please don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to shine any negative light on immigrant children, but this was the straw that broke the camel's back out here.

now there is a means in the government to address this very issue, and that is the census. in normal situations, once all the various numbers are tallied up, appropiate funding can be alocated around. but now with the crisis' we are in, who knows.

Originally posted by Screwed
reply to post by DimensionalDetective

 

I have been very vocal about the idea that there is a world wide revolution brewing. It started with Egypt and WILL work its way over here if it hasn't already.

To me, the question isn't whether or not America is going to have a revolution.
It is when...and...Is it being engeneered?
It will be hard to get excited about the change a revolution could bring about when you suspect that it was all engeneered in the first place.

As we are all aware, the reason for engeneering civil unrest/revolution is for an exuse to impliment Martial Law.

I wish someone could give me the warm and fuzzies and tell me that the 2nd American Revolution will be a positive experience but I have my doubts.

In any case, I would suggest that all of the Hard asses that I constantly see popping their heads up talking smack about how they are going to be first in line to take our country back please remember,
There is a time and a place to fight. You may very well be luered in only to get smacked down.
Keep your heads down for now and wait out the storm.

and I wonder what would (or will) happen if the National Guard is called up?

do you think Obama will "shift" the Guard from State to State to avoid some soldiers from supporting the Protesters.......like in Egypt maybe???

are we seeing a pattern here>>?

9 TRILLION bucks would help pay teachers et al

Why can we not find out what the Federal Reserve did with that money?

This is fiscal year 2009 alone



Fiscal year 1999 and 2000 3 Trillion missing from pentagon budget



9/10/2001: Rumsfeld says $2.3 TRILLION Missing from Pentagon
Rumsfeld annouces 2.3 trillom missing from Pentagon Sep 10, 2001 Promises war on waste spending... Next day Bush asks for MORE money for the war on terrorists



Just LISTEN to these people in charge give answers. WHY is no one kicking in the doors of the Whitehouse? Sheer insanity. Where is all this money going? Black Ops? What do we have to show for it all these years?

I guess America has become apathetic... because all we do is whine about it in threads, but in a few days its forgotten while we whine about the next outrage... Anyone even care about TSA tactics anymore?

At least Nevada is still a Maverick state... I can stockpile some machine guns... just in case

reply to post by zorgon


The money is not "missing" .... it could not be accoutned for under SAP because the Pentagon had over 2 dozen procurement databases designed in the 60's that are incomaptable with each other.

Originally posted by thisguyrighthereWhere did this idea that the greater should sacrifice for the smaller good come from?

It’s called liberalism; social justice, progressive reform, and wealth redistribution - the idea is being propagated by the DNC and Organizing for America under the direction of the POTUS. He is the agitator-in-chief a divider and a demagogue.

Another article on this developing story:

Ohio’s turn to revolt: Thousands flood statehouse over anti-union bill

The massive, government-crippling protests in Madison, Wisconsin have now spilled over into Ohio, where over 5,000 rallied Thursday in opposition to a bill that would eliminate collective bargaining rights for state workers.

Ohio's Senate Bill 5 is essentially the same as what Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker proposed, and it seems to be recieving about the same response. Just last week, more than 800 people showed up to protest the bill while it was still in committee, packing out the statehouse in a show of numbers that Thursday's demonstration easily topped.

Continued:

www.rawstory.com...

I feel these anti union bills are a attempt by the republican party to lower the entire USA to a 3rd world status. Unions are one of the reasons our standards of living is so high. Get rid of the unions and we are at the mercy of the corporation as the state and courts prove over and over again they are not on our side.

If you support getting rid of our abilities to collectively bargain, then your a fool and you, your kids and your grand kids will suffer for it.

I don't think the republicans will succeed, actually this might be the final nail in the Republican party coffin. This could be the final nail in the Union [usa] we all belong too.

Just another glaring example of how out of touch the ptb are.

Posted this on another thread www.abovetopsecret.com... - realize now it might have been a better fit here:

Originally posted by flyingdog

Originally posted by Danbones
...
let lose some faux hoods...dress the cops as protestors..throw a few rocks
like Montebello Quebec, or Seattle...or Philly
arrest people for existing
invent some fake laws like the police did in Toronto at the G-20

Originally posted by thedeadwalkk
America's day of rage will be swamped by martial law

edit on 18-2-2011 by thedeadwalkk because: (no reason given)

That's what I'm afraid of with this whole thing. However, I agree with this almost completely:

Originally posted by theclutch
This whole thing has nothing to do with unions or pay or equal rights or blaa blaa blaa. It has everything to do with making the middle class.........into the poor class!
...

So I think they should be RIOTING. The non-union workers should be RIOTING as well! not protesting like a bunch of wimps!

Stand up for your rights people! Don't let them take even ONE more step over that line! Push them back!

I disagree on this point: "rioting" is not going to produce the results everyone is hoping for - "peaceful protests" will. If, by chance, TPTB decide to plant FBI agents dressed as anarchists, things will devolve quickly and you can bet your ass the crackdown will become a rallying cry for the rest of Americans. That situation is terrifying (think hockey and football fans taking to the streets with their hunting rifles in Madison). It's a scary proposition and in many ways I hope things don't turn that way, but if that's the only way this will turn into what it needs to become, it will evolve naturally from peaceful protests "quashed" by overzealous alphabet agencies. It's imperative that the protesters themselves are not at fault.

I know for a fact that even the infamous "anonymous" is working on planning for protests, etc. Scary part about that is the majority of them are young, stupid and ambitious, and so keep devolving into discussions of interrupting technology used in communications or transport to try to get publicity.

Anyone with enough smarts to make this whole thing go the right direction, keeping things peaceful and goal oriented, needs to start working diligently, planting seeds of hope and knowledge to ensure this whole thing doesn't turn out the wrong way (ie, rock throwing kids battling SWAT teams and setting cars on fire).

If TPTB are in fact behind all this "revolution" stuff, it's going to be up to people like those on ATS to make sure it doesn't happen the way they planned it. The thinkers here know what the risks are and have a much better handle on how TPTB operate.

Your thoughts and ideas will be appreciated greatly by angry youngsters looking to affect a real change in this country. Without them, the youngsters will be left to their own devices which is...not a good thing...

Everyone's pissed off about something - problem is there's no unifying "rallying cry" yet. This whole situation is the likely catalyst, but it needs to be handled CAREFULLY if we expect to see positive change.

A couple of relative vids just popped up:

Some "Fox Lies" chants break out


spec

I suspect things will get hairy
all over the country by March 15.
There is a Revolution coming
and it will be basically unstoppable.
However, Soros and company will be
waiting in the wings to help feed
the starving people if you accept
his NWO and one religion.
It's called hijacking a Revolution.

Oh I think we are. What distraction will be coming up? (They must have a distraction...)

New Madrid, anyone?

Originally posted by flyingdog
Everyone's pissed off about something - problem is there's no unifying "rallying cry" yet. This whole situation is the likely catalyst, but it needs to be handled CAREFULLY if we expect to see positive change.

May I offer one?

Here is the foundation: www.abovetopsecret.com...

The platform is linked in my sig.

Here, here for the Ethical Planitarian Party.

i know your all hoping for some country wide mass rebellion but it isnt going to happen over this issue, you will get the public workers but the private sector workers and the un/under employed are not going to back them up.
especially since they are smart enough not to include the police and firefighters.