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Originally posted by MindSpin
So let me get some things straight.
For those of you who are against Unions...you want the following.
- Lower wages
- Longer hours
- Less benefits
- Unsafe working conditions
Remind me folks...do you love huge corporations? Do you love the Walmart model...which is very anti-union??? Because that is what we will have EVERYWHERE if Unions are done away with.
Nothing like shooting yourself in the foot....I'm amazed at how well propaganda and rhetoric works on some of you people...no wonder Fox News has such high ratings.
Originally posted by ohioriver
reply to post by VType
You are wrong. The unions are the ones screwing over the workers. Here is one example out of thousands.
Buckeye Steel Castings and the USWA Union. They were paying there employees up to $18-$20 an hour for alot of the older employees. They had given in to the demands of the union and had given their employees all the little perks. In 2002 a certain family member of mine drove to work to find doors padlocked shut, guard telling them to come back later. Where was the USWA? No one received any notice. They were due pay. Where was the USWA? A few of the employees were 6 months away from retirement. Not all the employees received their final pay. One month later it reopened as Columbus Steel Castings. They offered most of the employees a job but at only half the rate as before. Where was USWA?
Then again another in a different city:
Meridian Automotive workers . The plant shut down and filed bankruptcy.
WASHINGTON-The Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation (PBGC) today announced it has assumed responsibility for two underfunded pension plans covering over 1,300 former employees and retirees of bankrupt Meridian Automotive Systems Inc., a manufacturer of automobile and truck parts based in Grand Rapids, Mich.
Under federal pension law, the maximum guaranteed pension at age 65 for participants in plans that terminate in 2009 is $54,000 per year.
These and other companies are buckling under the weight of all the perks demanded by the Unions. We are in a serious financial crisis.
And the PBGC is another bail out waiting to happen.
A: PBGC is a federal agency created by the Employee Retirement Income Security Act of 1974 (ERISA) to protect pension benefits in private-sector traditional pension plans known as defined benefit plans. If your plan ends (this is called "plan termination") without sufficient money to pay all benefits, PBGC's insurance program will pay you the benefit provided by your pension plan up to the limits set by law. (Most people receive the full benefit they had earned before the plan terminated.) Our financing comes from insurance premiums paid by companies whose plans we protect, from our investments, from the assets of pension plans that we take over as trustee, and from recoveries from the companies formerly responsible for the plans, but not from taxes. Your plan is insured even if your employer fails to pay the required premiums.
And just like the AIG Insurance what happens when more companies go belly up and the PBGC has to take on more pensions than they have money to pay out?
Originally posted by RickyD
reply to post by ErEhWoN
That just reinforces my point. When did the unions decide on expanding their mission of protecting the worker to include giving money took out of workers paychecks to political campaigns? How is that protecting working conditions at jobsites? There is alot of laws already on the books that protect workers today.
I don't know where you got this quote but I can assure you it's not me and is in conflict with my post here not sure how you got that mixed up but it is!