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Originally posted by network dude
reply to post by Lucifer777
Just so I can clarify my objections to your line of "thinking", you claim that american "Masonry" is into all this gay fantasy stuff. But you only can bring a few personal testimonies of questionable characters with evidence, and then only to the Shrine and one of it's sub bodies, and then only to a select few members.
For example, from the thread www.davidicke.com... which beings with my duplicate of the OP
thelonious:.... Many if not most of the esoteric Masons have viewed the Shriners in an unfavorable light................ most of them are like me: we were initiated in the Shrine, found the whole thing ridiculous, and never went back.
From: freemasonsfordummies.blogspot.com...
For over a hundred years, the Shrine has been the playground of Masonry, and has reveled in, and encouraged, its public image as a bunch of big-drinking, stripper-slapping, fez-wearing party animals, who engage in such behavior for the good cause of the hospitals. AND THAT'S FINE. The Shrine is what it is.
freemasonsfordummies.blogspot.com...
I quit the Jesters more than 20 years ago, and this kind of thing has been going on at least 40 or 50 years,” said Malcolm “Mutt” Herring, 90, of Montgomery, Ala. “I quit because I don’t drink, and I don’t mess around with other women, other than my wife. Going to one of their events was like going to a whorehouse.”
"...........to claim that the ROJ doesn't know about this stuff on a widespread basis is sheer nonsense. "
freemasonsfordummies.blogspot.com...
"During the initiation of new Jesters I was offered the opportunity by another fellow brother to sleep with a whore, even though I had a wife and kids waiting for me to come home. I was not strong at the time and I violated every oath I had ever taken with my wife. This did not stop at initiation. These were a constant occurrence at our Jester functions and they are a common occurrence today. The initiation practices have not changed as well. Prostitutes were offered/made available at our functions and often brothers would have sex in front of other brothers.
the story from last May about Jesters' "fishing trips" to Brazil that involved at least 19 members and hookers as young as 13."
"The first deposition, 61 pages, was provided by Adilson Garcia da Silva on Sunday, April 13, 2008. He describes how he became a fishing guide, his work history, how marijuana was allegedly obtained for the plaintiffs' clients then began describing how girls, from age 13 on up, were lured into prostitution from Brazilian Indian reservations for the fishing trips' clients. The girls, he said, were hired to provide 'programs' that consisted of 'oral sex, strip and dance contests.'
Question: What is the youngest age that you’re aware of a girl being on the boat as a prostitute?
Answer: My brother would pick up a group of girls in Autazes and would take by boat to an American. One was 13, one was 14, and there was one who was even 9 years old.
sandyfrost.newsvine.com...
Jessica McGowan for The New York Times
www.nytimes.com...
(John C. Goline's) faith was shaken when he joined the leadership of the Suez Shriners in San Angelo, one of 191 temples affiliated with the order. He found that much of the money collected to support the hospitals was commingled with money used for liquor, parties and members’ travel to Shrine events. The Shrine’s national auditor largely confirmed his findings, but not before Mr. Goline was forced out of office.
His experience is not unique. An examination by The New York Times of Shrine records and minutes of Shrine meetings and interviews with current and former Shrine officials painted a picture of lax accounting procedures and oversight under which money earmarked for the hospitals instead financed temple activities.
The examination found these things:
¶More than 57 percent of the $32 million the Shriners raised in 2005 through circuses, bingo games, raffles and a variety of sales went to costs of the fraternity, including keeping temple liquor cabinets full and offering expenses-paid trips to Shrine meetings and other events.
¶Only 2 percent of the Shrine hospitals’ operating income comes from money raised by Shrine temples and members’ dues. (The bulk is supplied by the hospitals’ $9 billion endowment.)
¶A top Shrine official told a meeting of temple treasurers that poor accounting for cash coming into the organization was “an increasingly common problem,” and that more than 30 temples had discovered fraud — like theft of money and inventory, altered bank statements, padded payrolls and fake invoices — amounting to as much as $300,000 and involving members of their “divans,” the five-member boards that govern each temple.
Yet whistle-blowers like Mr. Goline are often greeted with hostility, retaliation and official sanctions.
“.......Critics say the line has been blurred between money raised for the hospitals and for members’ entertainment.
“Money raised for the hospitals is being used to pay for parties and liquor and trips, and they know it,” said Johnny L. Edwards, who was a leader of Oasis Shrine in Charlotte, N.C., until he began campaigning for better control over money. “The way I see it, they’re stealing from crippled children.”
............
Fourth jester convicted former judge Tills out of prison in three weeks
In April, 2005, the Jester's national ‘book’ was held in Niagara Falls, Ontario, Canada. As set forth below, a typical feature of a ‘book of the play’ is the presence of prostitutes (‘Jester Girls’) who engage in commercial sex acts with members of the ROJ. Arrangements for the prostitutes are generally made by the organizer of the ‘books,’ or the region hosting the national ‘book.’ On occasion, individual Jesters may make arrangements to transport prostitutes to ‘books.’”
sandyfrost.newsvine.com...
I was Chaplain in the Scottish rite and a degree master. In the blue Lodge I was senior deacon and preparing to be the junior warden, only two chairs away from the office of worshipful master. I was very busy with all this responsibility.
The following fall however, after the reunion, I decided it was time to enter the Shrine.
Mike had come into the Scottish rite at spring Reunion and now was eligible also.
We went into the Shrine together. I knew that the Shrine initiations got really rambunctious and wondered what might happen when they laid hands roughly on Mike. The initiation was performed in the Coliseum
before a very large crowd of Shriners who came to see the fun.
......
We began the initiation about noon that Saturday. After the medical screening came the hazing, which was very childish. Some of it was not only childish, but downright vulgar. At one point we were placed in a large, mesh cage, and one of the Shriners climbed up on top of it. He exposed a very convincing rubber penis which was connected to a water bag concealed in his clothing and hosed down all of us in the cage to the delighted howls of the spectators.
After the hazing it was time for the serious part, the ritual, and then time to take the oath. We took the obligation, again with terrible bloody consequences if we revealed any of the "secrets" (one form of mayhem we promised to accept was to have our "eyeballs pieced to the center with a sharp, three-edged blade"). And, with the Koran on the altar, we sealed our solemn oath in the name of "Allah, the god of Arab, Moslem and Mohammedan, the god of our fathers." I had taken so many bloody oaths already (one for each degree) that I paid little attention to this one, except to notice that it, like the rest of the ritual, featured desert settings, Arabs and Allah, the Mohammedan god.
www.xs4all.nl...
But sources close to the investigation and former Jesters from other parts of the country tell a different story, one of bizarre activities — including routinely hiring prostitutes for gatherings, sex competitions and degrading initiation rites for new members — at many Jesters outings, with off-duty police hired to keep nonmembers away......
Last August Martin (the Jester's president) sent a directive to all 191 local chapters, forbidding the following conduct during initiation ceremonies:
• “Any type of physical brutality, such as whipping, beating, striking, branding, electronic shocking [or] placing of a harmful substance on the body.”
• Sleep deprivation, exposure to the elements, confinement to small spaces, or other activity that subjects Jesters to “an unreasonable risk of harm.”
www.noonehastodietomorrow.com...
Originally posted by Lucifer777
the points in the catalogues mentioned so irritatingly by Lucifer takes the debate in the other direction and makes the cult look silly...
Silly?
Impersonating His Satanic Majesty and prodding canditates with and electric baton is a holy and ancient rite which dates back to ancient Egypt; Devil's Tridents with portable electric batteries have just never been discovered in Egypt because it was such a secretive and holy rite.
Oh, and in every masonic lodge in every city, town, and province, the degrees are taught in the same manner that they have been for hundreds of years.
Mannheim soldier’s death has element of Masonic mystery
www.stripes.com...
....
In order to become a third-degree Mason, Wilder knew he would have to endure being beaten on his buttocks with a paddle by fellow Masons.
His plan was to get so drunk for the Jan. 7 ceremony that he wouldn’t feel the pain of the beatings, according to a friend, Spc. Tony d’Ercole. His mother, Diane Wilder, said her son told her that if he got so drunk that he passed out, his fellow Masons would take his blows.
...Also, he told them about the paddlings he took when he became a first- and second-degree mason last fall
A Ritual Gone Fatally WrongPuts Light on Masonic Secrecy
By PATRICK HEALY
Published: Wednesday, March 10, 2004
hazingmasonic.blogspot.com...
PATCHOGUE, N.Y., March 9 � The initiation rituals at the Masonic lodge here had been bathed in secrecy over the years. The climax of Monday night's ceremony was to be a simple prank. A new member of the Fellow Craft Club, a select group within the lodge, would sit in a chair while an older member stood 20 feet away and fired a handgun loaded with blanks.
That ritual went terribly wrong inside Southside Masonic Lodge No. 493, in a basement littered with rat traps, tin cans, a 9-foot-tall guillotine, and a setup designed to mimic walking a plank.
Originally posted by JoshNorton
reply to post by Masonic Light
I stand corrected. Seems like it's no longer an "official" part of the ritual, but a lot of guys still do it.
The Imperial Shrine has requested all Temples to stop it use, so a Shrine Temple is on their own should a law suit develops as a result.
I've walked the Hot Sands and have no problem doing it again. But you never know how some others may react. *
Yet when I try (to no avail since a brick wall has more responsive understanding than you) to explain that Masonry is universal all over the world, including Scotland, you fail to grasp that. If you were to close your mouth for a brief moment and actually study the global aspects of craft masonry, you would find that Blue lodge masonry is the same in US, UK, India, Scotland, Greenland, and Iceland. We use virtually the same ritual, we learn things the same way, and we all take the same obligations. Including your father.
The Ancient Arabic Order of Nobles of the Mystic Shrine
www.angelfire.com...
.. The mother of the Masons, the Grand Lodge in England, is not fond of Shriners: it threatened to expel any English Mason who enters the Shrine. But for Americans, the Ancient Arabic Order offers a chance to let their hair down after they have achieved the highest Masonic degree. The Shrine was founded so that Masons could get drunk...... Only the cream of the Masonic crop are allowed to join this fraternal cult!...
Not everyone was happy with a bunch of men who regularly got together to put on fez hats, look at dancing girls and get totally wrecked. The Shrine was becoming the target of a lot of (well deserved) bad publicity. Some Masonic lodges were so embarrassed by their cousins that they considered expelling any Mason in the Shrine. Shriners met to come up with an appropriate response. An honest Shriner hit the nail on the head. "You know?" he said. "I bet if we opened up charitable hospitals for crippled children, people would think we were legitimate. No one is going to criticize people who give crippled children hospital beds!"
And that's how the Shrine Hospitals for Crippled Children came about!!!
I would invite you to look back at your first few posts and the responses you received from people on this site. Most everyone tried to be cordial and well mannered to you. You came out of the gate trying to be disliked by all and in that only partially succeed. If you goal is to be disregarded as a pinhead or a troll, then by all means continue with your current direction, but if you decide that you would like to have actual conversations with people here, you might want to read a bit of the past threads and learn how to do it without being a dick. many in the past have been able to accomplish that task while still getting their point across. At a few very brief moments, you almost seem like you could have some value in your words. It would be a shame to have all of them ignored by most simply because you want to be different.
And please, if you have any shred of decency in your body, do not reply to this post with pictures or a 1000 word essay.
As long as the priest, that professional denier, calumniator and poisoner of life, is accepted as a higher variety of man, there can be no answer to the question, What is truth? Truth has already been stood on its head when the obvious attorney of mere emptiness is mistaken for its representative. .............Upon this theological instinct I make war: I.... Whatever a theologian regards as true must be false: there you have almost a criterion of truth. Nietsche: The Antichrist
Originally posted by YourPopRock
reply to post by Lucifer777
Dude, seriously...
You seem as stupid as you do misguided...
You have yet to present a single shred of proof of ANYTHING that you claim in ANY of your threads. Proof or NOTHING you say is real. It is not the job of ANYONE but the person making the claims to provide proof.
Instead, you spam and spam and spam the same pics over and over. You fill in the blanks with your obsession with bdsm and homosexuality. You should seriously consider professional help...
Originally posted by YourPopRock
All you do is spam the same photos on every masonic thread. You fail to offer proof of ANYTHING you claim.
Incredible claims such as yours require incredible proof. It is not my job to provide that proof of your homo-erotic bdsm obsessed claims being false, it is your job to back up your gay-obsession laden claims with proof.
You can't do it because you have none.
(ps, embrace the baldness... growing the back of your hair long doesn't compensate for it)
Originally posted by lbndhr
Originally posted by YourPopRock
All you do is spam the same photos on every masonic thread. You fail to offer proof of ANYTHING you claim.
Incredible claims such as yours require incredible proof. It is not my job to provide that proof of your homo-erotic bdsm obsessed claims being false, it is your job to back up your gay-obsession laden claims with proof.
You can't do it because you have none.
(ps, embrace the baldness... growing the back of your hair long doesn't compensate for it)
It appears satan just registered this year/ The avatar is not necessaruly him and I consider what satans age is, probably under 25, appears to be playing here and some take the bait. peaceedit on 2-12-2011 by lbndhr because: spell check
Sounds pretty boring, if you ask me. But if you want, go for it. Nobody's going to stop you. Probably a waste of time though.
Originally posted by partycrasher
I think I will devote a bit of time / life to the exposure of freakmasonry....hows that for a life?
I've never seen anyone, male or female, asked to leave a Masonic funeral. It's for the family. We wouldn't turn them away.
Originally posted by partycrasher
Started when I was very young, family / relatives talking about god / religion and attending its institutions and performing the rituals and then......freemasonry. Saw as a child two relatives masonic funerals, the woman had to leave but the men got to stay
If you want to join, the choice is yours.
and I was told "that I would be one of them someday"
I've never heard the phrase "throw down a royal arch", and I'm not familiar with any Masonic gesture that I could imagine might be described as that...
Hearing about fm at school more from the relatives/family and then talk on the job, seeing fellows throw down a royal arch in the middle of a bar and then per work related job stuff I was told "I would have to join"
We, as a rule, do not recruit. It's a fairly basic part of every initiation ritual that you have to be there because you want to be, not because someone coerced you.
FM's should just keep their mouths shut but they cannot since they are recruiters and they should be more careful.
Too late for what, exactly?
Too late.
Saw as a child two relatives masonic funerals, the woman had to leave but the men got to stay and I was told "that I would be one of them someday"
FM's should just keep their mouths shut but they cannot since they are recruiters and they should be more careful.
Originally posted by partycrasher
too late for me to stop shining the light on the secret society.