Quasi-fascist wisconsin governor sends police after Democrats!, page 3

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reply posted on 19-2-2011 @ 10:39 AM by lpowell0627

reply to post by Schaden

Please look up the definition of filibuster as it in no way involves running and hiding and refusing to go to work.

reply posted on 19-2-2011 @ 11:20 AM by sdcigarpig

reply to post by Schaden

Politics is the art of negotiations. So sure it may be that by not showing up, they are doing what they believe is the correct action, but here is the real rub to that. They shut down the state government, no bills can be passed, no laws, no bills, and in short, have sold out their own constitutents, all cause they disagree with a bill.
The facts are that many states are suffering a budget crises, the money has ran out. They can not raise taxes, cause the people can not afford to pay more, nor can then borrow it. Would you have cities and states declaring bankrupcy, and thus defaulting on all loans and obligations?
No, running away is not the answer, as the bill will still be there when they get back. All it would take is for the state republicans to lie and say you have a deal, get them back, then lock the doors, and force a vote. Better to have the debate as honest as possible, and win the argument, than to pull trickery like this. What they did, was the act of a coward, and one who is not willing to stand up and fight. The protestors are standing up to fight the bill by demanding redress, why can't they?

reply posted on 19-2-2011 @ 11:26 AM by badgerprints

Originally posted by inforeal

But today’s Republican Party is so radical right–wing that they resemble Nazis and fascists, and no longer Americans who believe in the constitution or what is says about the general welfare.

And the Democratic party is so radical left-wing that they resemble communists and no longer Americans who believe in the constitution or what it says about pretty much anything else.

So we've got two extremes in political parties waging war on the citizens.

You gonna support one of the political parties or the citizens?

reply posted on 20-2-2011 @ 05:46 AM by ownbestenemy

Originally posted by inforeal
reply to post by beezzer

No your simplistic scenario is wrong.

If the unions loose then the rich will have more power to buy Republican and Tea Party candidates, and the unions will have less power to oppose the super-rich and their agenda.

Eventually, unless you are one of the millionaires or billionaires, this tyranny will ruin your life and the life of your children

Your rebuttal against a simplistic scenario is one that is just as simplistic. Name an employer nowadays that will employee underage workers, maintain a work environment that is deadly or under paid according to free market principles.....

Unions had their day. They were needed. And the practice of private workers banding together to persuade an employer should never be outlawed, but this is just asinine. Workers are complaining because they have to contribute to their retirement? To their health benefits? To everything? The gall!

On that note, all those teachers that claim they do it for the kids yet are willing to not go to work and teach, thus neglecting their duties as a teacher, all in the name of the "children".....

Unions themselves are not inherently evil, but public sector unions utilize their force not to make their work conditions better but to fatten their wallets and give themselves a plush landing zone.

reply posted on 20-2-2011 @ 07:37 AM by chilipep7

Originally posted by inforeal
reply to post by green-tree

That’s called fascism. The government and capitalists combining to rule.
The Republican party use to be somewhat human. Indeed they use to support unions and even Richard Nixon had a national health care plan for ALL Americans.

But today’s Republican Party is so radical right–wing that they resemble Nazis and fascists, and no longer Americans who believe in the constitution or what is says about the general welfare.

reply posted on 20-2-2011 @ 07:47 AM by chilipep7

Unions, not the Republican party are the reasons the USA is in the shape that it is in today. In Wiscousin, we see the greed of the unions. That state as many because of unions have overspendt their budgets. They spend money they do not have. They still want more.
The private sector jobs are more inline with reality. Businesses have to live within their revenues, so do states and companies. Unions have destroyed so many jobs in the USA causing companies to go abroad for help to produce their products.
Look at General motors. The union totally destroyed that company, then all of the US Taxpayers had to bail out their terriblely run business. GM Screwed all the bondholders and stock holders out of all their monies. These investments went to retirement plans, individual stocks, etc. all gone because of unions. Also, GM WILL NOT PAY ANY BACK. The first payment 8 Billion was held in escrow to show politically that a payment was made.
Don't blame republicans for our woes, blame the unions that are so greedy.
Wiscousin has not money, yet the unions want more.HOW STUPID and GREEDY

reply posted on 20-2-2011 @ 07:50 AM by mblahnikluver

reply to post by green-tree

Cant you post something from the link?
That is part of the terms and conditions

Personally Im tired of opening threads with a link and a line.
Im just gonna ignore these threads anymore since people have forgotten how to post on here.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

edit on 2/20/2011 by mblahnikluver because: add the link about posting threads...sorry to be a pain but this is getting annoying

reply posted on 20-2-2011 @ 07:58 AM by autowrench

Originally posted by mnemeth1
reply to post by green-tree

So you don't think the State should have the power to compel people to do things they don't want to do?

Is that what you are saying?

February 20, 1809, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled the power of the federal government was no greater than that of any individual state of the Union.

reply posted on 22-2-2011 @ 05:14 PM by maybereal11

Originally posted by whatukno
Yea, I am not a big fan of Unions at the State or Federal government level, I don't think that's right. Why should my tax money go to pay for Union Arbitration?

I think that all government jobs should be minimum wage jobs with no benefits.

I suspect the 3 stars you got for that post thought you were serious

Here is the deal...pay teachers like rockstars...they are and anyone that has had an extraordinary teacher or remembers 9-11 knows this to be true.

Do that and you can bust the unions all you want.

But as long as someone with a Masters Degree in education gets paid 40k to ensue the future of America...

www.payscale.com...

let them keep their benefits...for the love of god.

I sometimes think that it is the GOP agenda...anti-teachers...anti-colleges...anti-education..

I sometimes think it is thier agenda to expand the lowest earning class and dramatically reduce the educated ranks in this country so that corporate interests can have a servant class right here at home...a huge un-educated working class that can be sourced rather than having to go to a third world country to make thier sneakers, toys and handbags etc.

Of course thier own kids will still go to private schools and Ivy league colleges ansuring that thier own don't suffer the evolving third-world class of workers in the USA.

It would be good times for the wealthiest amongst us....a dramatic elite divide...a massive class of worker bees making 2 dollars an hour and the rich getting richer.

Paranoid I know, but the GOPs attack on something as fundemental as education and teachers makes it easy to think they are driven like Monty Burns on the Simpsons.

Just one more WTF moment since the GOP gains.

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