Wisconsin democrats get on bus; flee the state!

Originally posted by Sinnthia

Originally posted by 46ACE
reply to post by 46ACE

 

Forget it I found that same story on a "progressive" site."which means its spun so hard the colors are flying off on my monitor onto my shoes.

edit on 17-2-2011 by 46ACE because: (no reason given)

Everything you asked for a link for is demonstrably true and yet, instead of attempting to even remotely argue the FACTS, you instead hit google and dispute YOUR OWN RESEARCH.

Is this really the depth of political discourse now? You google something, find a source you do not like, then bash your own source, all while ignoring the FACTS? Interesting technique.

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That article said walker spent money then started to cut state spending.I have no issue with that.I took issue with the included loaded statement "he started with no deficit and a balanced budget".

Its over anyway; They been found at the "clock tower" best western in Rockford near i39. they gotta come home someday This is the beginning of "Greece" here how many public unions are gonna catch heat like this?

Originally posted by infolurker
reply to post by candide

 

Out of my entire post that is all you got out of it? You don't see the irony there?

Unfortunately, nobody is truly restructuring the pensions or converting yet. This is about paying 12% of the cost of their health insurance plan and not getting pay raises without a State vote... oh the horror. And the Government workers actually get to VOTE every year on if they want to keep their corrupt union or not.... guess we cannot have that can we?

Yea, I have friends currently serving and it stood out for me that you made a huge point about saying they are leeches because of their retirement agreements.

The only pensions that cannot and must not be touched are that of the families of law enforcement, fire department especially those who were killed while on duty.

This is sickening that in this day in age that a matter like this even requires this action which is completely legal. It's called "Abstaining Your Vote" which means you refuse to participate in the debate and have declared an official vote of no vote yay or nay. Completely legal. Odds are they have help from the local Highway patrol to them so they are good for now.

On the Ed Schultz show earlier they had at least 18 people which all were State Senators doing a feed in an undisclosed location tells me fundamentally wrong with the state of governance in this nation.

Some could spin this really whereas to say that this is proof of the Obamanization of America as the GOP will no doubt try to spread. that is best hoped but this is not to even be considered by anyone media, p2p news, b2b news, g2g news or person and that is that this is the "First Strike in The Second American Civil War as that I hope and pray that this does not become because if it does it's the wrong time.

Originally posted by Whereweheaded
Just comes to show how Democrats love to face the challenges ahead, by tucking tail and running....

Like Bush when the economy tanked because of his policies???

That buster hid for like a month, like a caunt


EAD

reply to post by Drezden


Unfortunately politics is about "show" sometimes.. Why does the US and UK ambassadors at the UN always walk out when Ahmadinejad starts a speech?

It wastes time, but it sends a pretty big message.




The difference.... Ahmadinejad is expressing opinion that is contrary to the UK, US,etc. view of the world. The UN process is not impeded by their leaving. These Dems are impeding the political process. Listen, if they are concerned about the vote why did they not show up in force to debate then vote against it. They would have lost but at least heir voice would have been heard and their vote would have been counted. Instead what they did was hijack the political process and in essence negating the vote of all those who voted for the Reps in the last election. Discounting the fact that they wasted state funds in salaries and buses etc., The real damage they did was to diminished the importance of their democracy as a whole.

Democratic lawmakers leave Wisconsin to protest union curbs

Wisconsin state Senate Democrats boycotting a vote on a plan to curb the union rights of public employees left the state on Thursday in an attempt to force majority Republicans to negotiate a compromise, an online political news service said.

It's all about the headlines, isn't it?

Erpenbach would not disclose where he was or how many of the Democratic senators were with him.

"We were left with no choice," Erpenbach said. Erpenbach would not say how long they were prepared to remain outside Wisconsin.

"The question is when are the Republicans going to sit down seriously with the other side on this issue and try to work something out," Erpenbach told WisPolitics. "When are we going to be reasonable about this and slow things down?"

"This isn't anything that we do lightly at all," Erpenbach said. "This isn't a prank. This isn't a joke. This is Democrats standing together saying slow down."

This nothing more than the typical Republican union busting. But you have to look at it from the Republican viewpoint. What the best thing to do admit our usual let's give a tax break policy is a failure and only leads to a state going into debt or blame our problems on those evil unions that Republicans have been demonizing for the last thirty years.

By the way, virtually the same story here. If you're interested www.abovetopsecret.com...

Different title though

reply to post by TheImmaculateD1


Are you that naive? Do you honestly think they have those of the Union in their best interest? Not even close. They are starting this debacle with the premise that they are standing for something good natured, fact is, they will have some type of demands, to make themselves look good as if " look what we stood for ", all the while doing back door deals! There is always a catch~

The Senators fled on a bus out of the state so the State Police in WI would have trouble rounding them up.

It is the only thing they can do to stop this bill from being passed.

Walker can't be coming up with this himself; he looks too stupid. I need to watch a video of him. I think most of the finger pointing at unions (certain ones that didn't vote for Governor Walker) would change to Walker himself if people would stop listening to propaganda and look at the WI budget info from earlier this year. Is making your own budget crisis considered a false flag to you people?

There are so many comments that are completely off the mark with regards to the situation; between the idea that these senators aren't doing their duty by not voting to the idea that the bill is a good idea. Others have addressed some of those individually.

I'd just like to say OP, I was impressed by your link, I frequent that site from time to time and to have you use that as the basis of your argument was entertaining.

Good on these senators in the state. It's about time some progressives grew a spine and stood up for what's right.

I was at the Capitol yesterday - crazy scene. However, I was there for different reasons - I had to go to the courthouse - Divorce.

I don't have health care insurance,
What gets me is that these teachers, most who probably voted for Obama don't want to

Share the wealth,
Obama

Or,

Tighten their belts,
Obama,

While I will have to pay or get fined by IRS
dailycaller.com...

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
I don't have health care insurance,
What gets me is that these teachers, most who probably voted for Obama don't want to

Share the wealth,
Obama

Or,

Tighten their belts,
Obama,

While I will have to pay or get fined by IRS
dailycaller.com...

edit on 112828p://bFriday2011 by Stormdancer777 because: (no reason given)

You should have health care insurance or access to REAL medical care, you are a human being and we are the richest nation on this Earth.

You seem to think the way to solve the problem of health care is to make it a luxurious item.

We had the option to make a public option here - Obama did what he did to appease you and other conservatives who fear socialistic solutions, you watched it happen.

If I told my boss to #%! it and didn't show up i'd be fired.

So the simplest solution here is to fire the democrats that didn't show up. 1+1=2. It's true.

Strange how democrats praise democracy when things are going their way...

reply to post by Janky Red

You seem to think the way to solve the problem of health care is to make it a luxurious item.

That's news to me.

I don't know what you are talking about.

Originally posted by palg1
reply to post by Drezden

 

Unfortunately politics is about "show" sometimes.. Why does the US and UK ambassadors at the UN always walk out when Ahmadinejad starts a speech?

It wastes time, but it sends a pretty big message.

edit on 2/17/2011 by Drezden because: (no reason given)

The difference.... Ahmadinejad is expressing opinion that is contrary to the UK, US,etc. view of the world. The UN process is not impeded by their leaving. These Dems are impeding the political process. Listen, if they are concerned about the vote why did they not show up in force to debate then vote against it. They would have lost but at least heir voice would have been heard and their vote would have been counted. Instead what they did was hijack the political process and in essence negating the vote of all those who voted for the Reps in the last election. Discounting the fact that they wasted state funds in salaries and buses etc., The real damage they did was to diminished the importance of their democracy as a whole.

edit on 18-2-2011 by palg1 because: (no reason given)

You said it well.

These dummicrats are whining and expect sympathy. If I could, I'd throw them out onto the street.

reply to post by 46ACE


Too bad the voters can not replace these COWARDS!

Glossary of Election Terms...

Recall Election

A recall election is an election in which voters can remove an elected official from office by popular vote. Iowa law does not allow recall elections. www.sos.state.ia.us...

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Wrong state. I think the Republicans are in more danger of getting recalled, though Walker will have to wait until next year to get the boot. Damn.