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Topic started on 17-2-2011 @ 12:53 PM by Klassified

I couldn't resist posting a thread on this for those who are not aware of it. Chauvet cave in france is any ologists or laymans dream. It's not often you find something of this magnitude completely untouched, and left just the way it was 20,000 years ago. And to have it filmed in 3-D is complete eye candy for those of us who get giddy over such things.

Werner Herzog's new film "Cave of Forgotten Dreams" is a stunning 3D documentary about a cave in France that is home to the world's oldest known human art.

Herzog: You have to realize that, about 20,000 years ago, there was a cataclysmic event when an entire rock face collapsed and sealed off the cave. It's a completely preserved time capsule. You've got tracks of cave bears that look like they were left yesterday, and you've got the footprint of a boy who was probably eight years old next to the footprint of a wolf. Visitors can't step on anything, so you can only move around on a two foot wide metal walkway.

I thought this following quote was an interesting twist on the story, though quite coincidental. Or is it? Genetic memory? Collective consciousness?

In the Chauvet Cave, there is a painting of a bison embracing the lower part of a naked female body. Why does Pablo Picasso, who had no knowledge of the Chauvet Cave, use exactly the same motif in his series of drawings of the Minotaur and the woman? Very, very strange.

Picasso actually did a series of these, but I think this is the one being referenced.

SPIEGEL ONLINE: Do you see your film as a kind of historical document?
Herzog: The historical or scientific document will be created by the scientists. I entered the cave as a filmmaker, as somebody who creates images, with my perspectives, fascinations and my instincts as a narrator. You have to activate the audience's imagination. If you are just giving them scientific results, they would forget the film in five minutes flat. But it sticks to you, as if you had been in the cave itself.

Cave of Forgotten Dreams

Here's a short teaser from YT. Release date March 25, 2011.

YouTube Link

And more info at The documentary Blog

Where's Byrd when you need him?

ETA: Thought I may as well add some pics in here. These are some awesome shots.

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reply posted on 17-2-2011 @ 01:00 PM by Pinke

Herzog also did that mockumentry on the lochness monster a while ago.

He should totally sign up an ATS account.

Nice OP.

reply posted on 17-2-2011 @ 01:16 PM by SamTGonzalez

There is already a thread on this here.

reply posted on 17-2-2011 @ 01:18 PM by Klassified

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Figures. And all that searching I did trying not to duplicate. Thanks.

ETA: I'll let the mods decide whether our perspective is different enough to have two threads.

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reply posted on 17-2-2011 @ 02:00 PM by Klassified

Originally posted by Pinke
Herzog also did that mockumentry on the lochness monster a while ago.

He should totally sign up an ATS account.

Nice OP.

He would most certainly be an interesting person to talk with. Maybe ATS can interview him sometime.

reply posted on 17-2-2011 @ 06:13 PM by smurfy

It's interesting that some of the sketches look as though the sketcher was using the smooth contours of the rock to form parts of the animal shapes. The Lascaux caves, also France have very similar drawings, some also in outline, but according to the experts there is millenium between them??

images.stanzapub.com...

I like this picture, it seems to show one artistic impression on the left side, mimicking the the impression on the right, well that's my er, impression.

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reply posted on 17-2-2011 @ 07:10 PM by Klassified

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Thanks. I'll have to do some reading up on the lascaux cave too. Some of the artwork in these caves is incredible. But then, I don't draw. So anyone who can, impresses me.

reply posted on 20-2-2011 @ 03:48 PM by bigfatfurrytexan

For what is worth, Byrd is not a "he".

But if you U2U her, I bet she would come by and chime in. Me? i am awaiting the video release.

reply posted on 20-2-2011 @ 04:09 PM by packinupngoin

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Here is what gets me about these findings? Why is it that they say these are the first evidence of art 30,000 years ago?

There was a Lice Evolutionist on NOVA (PBS) this week talking about when the clothes lice evolved. He estimated the clothes lice evolved over 170,000 years ago yet in the same episode they showed 3.3 million year old needles that were made from bone. Can someone somewhere just admit that perhaps civilized man has been around for longer than 30 thousand years? Maybe more like 50 thousand or even 100 thousand?

reply posted on 20-2-2011 @ 09:59 PM by Klassified

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Thanks Texan. One of these days, I'll learn who(and what) all of you old timers are.

reply posted on 20-2-2011 @ 10:11 PM by Klassified

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The key word here is civilized. Earlier cultures weren't considered organized with stationary cities, laws, etc. So this is why it is said "civilization" only goes back X number of years. Whereas humans themselves go back much further. Byrd or someone else may have to correct me on that, since I'm going from memory.

Not saying I agree with it though. But then, there's much I disagree with modern scientists on. But that's just me being cynical.

reply posted on 20-2-2011 @ 10:27 PM by JohnnyCanuck

Originally posted by Pinke
Herzog also did that mockumentry on the lochness monster a while ago.
He should totally sign up an ATS account.
Nice OP.

Anything by Herzog is worthwhile,,,he is indeed a visionary. S&F to the OP.

reply posted on 21-2-2011 @ 12:43 PM by Byrd

Sounds fascinating, but I'll have to wait for the 2D release. 3D really makes me motion sick (as do films where the director decides to forgo plot and dialogue for "oooh! I can make swoopy shots of the scenery!")

I am curious about the petroglyph associated with it in the first post -- if genuine (and I'm not sure it is), the horseback riders surely date 16,000 years later (or even more) than the original art (4,000 BC is a generally accepted plausible first date for horse domestication -- and about 8,000 BC for the introduction and adoption of the bow in Europe.)

Anyway, I look forward to the release and hope someone will do a report on this for us!

reply posted on 21-2-2011 @ 01:22 PM by Klassified

reply posted on 13-10-2011 @ 12:13 PM by Moe Drama

I liked the movie. It wasn't a Herzog masterpiece though. The cave art is absolutely awe inspiring and stands on it's own. It could have been filmed by any experienced crew I feel. Seems that there are some bugs to be worked out with hand held 3d rigging. Parts of it were shaky and some panning shots seemed too fast for the format. A must see I think!

reply posted on 16-10-2011 @ 06:36 PM by JohnnyCanuck

Originally posted by Moe Drama
I liked the movie. It wasn't a Herzog masterpiece though. The cave art is absolutely awe inspiring and stands on it's own. It could have been filmed by any experienced crew I feel. Seems that there are some bugs to be worked out with hand held 3d rigging. Parts of it were shaky and some panning shots seemed too fast for the format. A must see I think!

He does point out that it was incredibly awkward to capture some shots, given that his walkways were dictated by what was available.

The 3-d was not at all contrived, it helped to capture the unprecedented access the filmmaker was given to the site. The film is marvelous, and it is imbued with Herzog's heightened sense of spirituality. A must see for Herzog fans, those with an interest in the drawings, and aficionados of fine cinematic experience. Two thumbs up!
(PS...you get to see an atlatl in use!)

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