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Unions still could represent workers, but could not seek pay increases above those pegged to the Consumer Price Index unless approved by a public referendum. Unions also could not force employees to pay dues and would have to hold annual votes to stay organized. In exchange for bearing more costs and losing bargaining leverage, public employees were promised no furloughs or layoffs. Walker has threatened to order layoffs of up to 6,000 state workers if the measure does not pass.
Originally posted by Dwigt
reply to post by HoldTheBeans
Finally, we have someone in office that is willing to stand up for what is right and moral for ALL people. I live just outside of Madison and my kids are sitting home today because the teachers all decided to call in sick. How wacked is that? Lets hope Walker continues to stand for what he believes in and listens to the majority who elected him into office to make these tough decisions.
Originally posted by adifferentbreed
About time someone stood up to these idiots.
If not for the union these people would be at work instead of staying at home exploiting the system.........good for the Govenor.
Originally posted by pajoly
reply to post by HoldTheBeans
So I can tell what network you watch, which clearly explains your ignorance. The unions (and lots of other people including many in the private sector) are up in arms not so much about the new contributions, but by the bald union-busting going on where the bill kills their rights to collectively bargain (something that will likely be killed even in this hard right Supreme Court). On top of that, it was completely sprung without warning and jammed through in five days, which is 1000% contrary to how the Wisconsin budget process really works.
Three, the crisis is 100% a LIE by the slimy gov. There IS NO deficit in WI, at least their was not until he came to office. Their own in state GAO showed a $52M surplus when he came in office, but his first three acts have added a few hundred million in state deficit (calculted over the next three years). In other words, HE CREATED THE DEFICIT ALL BY HIMSELF.
Four, and mybe the most cynical and rankly foul part of this? He is NOT mandating these same requirements on the police and fire unions. Why? because those were the only unions that supported his candidacy. In other words, it is TOTAL ABJECT punishment and pay-to-play.
Of course, people like you don't know these facts because you are a FOX News watcher and that makes you a minion ripe for manipulation. You are being played.
The man is a coward, a liar and a cheat and he'll be recalled from office, just watch.
Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck
Originally posted by adifferentbreed
About time someone stood up to these idiots.
If not for the union these people would be at work instead of staying at home exploiting the system.........good for the Govenor.
Ah...once again, blame the victim. You talk of tearing up a collective agreement that you negotiated and folks aren't allowed to push back? Shows you why unions are necessary in the first place. If management will screw you on the big stuff, it's a pretty good sign of what day-to-day looks like.
Like I say, I have yet to encounter a unionised workplace that didn't ask for it. Happy workers don't organise.
Originally posted by Flatfish
The real truth is that whats going on is a "two-for" union busting move orchestrated by governor Walker and the republican controlled legislature. The Wisconsin state deficit was actually caused by 140 million in special interest giveaways that have been approved since the governor took office and not by the unions.
I just started a new thread regarding this very topic that can be found here; www.abovetopsecret.com...
If you want to skip my thread, here's the source link for my assertions; host.madison.com...
I'm not trying to plug my thread so feel free to skip it if you want to, just check out the source article. Sometimes it hurts when the truth comes out but nowadays the truth is becoming harder and harder to conceal.edit on 17-2-2011 by Flatfish because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by adifferentbreed
About time someone stood up to these idiots.
If not for the union these people would be at work instead of staying at home exploiting the system.........good for the Govenor.
I guess its better to just lay off the 6000 workers then. Union cronies don't care they get their monthly dues either way.
I have had to deal with repercussions of union thugs in two different industries, they are just short of organized crime.
Originally posted by adifferentbreed
reply to post by JohnnyCanuck
I'm not blaming the victim.......they aren't victims. If everyone else has to tighten their belts, why shouldn't they? I have had to deal with repercussions of union thugs in two different industries, they are just short of organized crime.
Originally posted by cypwolf
First of all, i invoke Godwin's rule. Hilter was referenced therefore the author loses any debate before it starts.
Secondly: as was stated in an earlier post, this is union busting. Truth of the matter is the US would not have become the country it is without them and frankly non-union employees have always benefitted from unions who fought for the worker. Unions are a primary factor in the creation of the middle class. People can blame the problems on the unions and in some cases union leadership like any other high up position --public or private-- will exploit the benefits of the postition. that doesn't mean the governor should refuse to bargain in good faith with a threat of force. Government officials, especially those with ties to big businesses, have turned the issue of wasteful spending as a result of the unions and turned the public upon themselves.
I also agree that i have a hard time seeing the Supreme Court ruling against the state government. It actually took on a second admendment case which I honestly thought they would never do. Right now the appearance of the court favors the republican right.
Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck
Originally posted by adifferentbreed
reply to post by JohnnyCanuck
I'm not blaming the victim.......they aren't victims. If everyone else has to tighten their belts, why shouldn't they? I have had to deal with repercussions of union thugs in two different industries, they are just short of organized crime.
And I've been a Chief Steward for a supposedly 'enlightened' employer...as well as negotiating a contract. There is still a damn good reason for unions. Further...chase down the scum that caused the belt tightening...demand accountability from the government and the banks, throw the bandits in jail!
Or sit at a keyboard and blame your neighbours.