The United States of America is heading towards Fascism

First of all let's do a little comparison between the United States right now and Germany during the 1920's early 30's.

1. Wars

Germany had just lost World War 1, the treaty of Versailles was signed and held Germany responsible for all of the damages, this just made the German economy enter a state of hyper-inflation as they could not pay off the large amounts of debt and just started printing out money.

So now we have war that leads into an economic crisis, jobs no being created, high unemployment etc..sound familiar?

The United States right now is involved in two wars one in Afghanistan and one in Iraq, the economy is doing somewhat better but we still have a high unemployment rate, jobs are still not easy to get..lots of people are mad over this, totally understandable.

2. Rise of political parties.

In the early 1920's the German Nazi party was still pretty small, thanks to Hitler's oratorical skills and they soon were able to recruit hundreds of thousands of members throughout the country.

The United States right now is seeing the growth of the "Tea Party" movement. With a fast growing membership this group will no doubt have an effect on the upcoming elections.

3. Blaming problems on minorities.

It's obvious what happened to the Jews, after Hitler and the Nazi party brainwashed the German people into believing that the Jews were to blame for the lost war and economic crisis.

Right now whenever we hear about jobs not being available and the bad economy it's almost always because of too much illegal immigration, and how we need to seal the borders and start massive raids on factories and warehouses.

We have a state passing laws that allow police to ask someone for their papers solely on the basis of "suspicion". The sad part is that a lot of people support it.

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I know it has been discussed a thousand times before, but I just thought of it

So what are you going to do about it? Thats the real question rehashing same topic is not going change anything
Your sheep waiting for a sheppard lol

Once you convince the Tea Party that they are the Nazi Party and evade Homeland Security and their cameras, drones, wire taps, Wal-Mart "Turn them in" advisories, scanners, X-ray vans and Fusion Centers, you may be onto something. In the meantime, I'll be in the bunker.

I ordered a jacket from China in a XXL size well come to find out there XXL size is much smaller then ours in the United States so i'm in the process of sending the jacket back to get it in size XXXL anyway they told me that's fine, gave me there address but warned me that our customs department in terms of mail service might be hard or take extra longer if at all to get there...now think about that it's easier to send items to America from China and not the other way around and were supposed to be the free country...wow.

Heading toward fascism? I think we have been there for a while. It has been said that fascism is the marriage of corporations and the state, and that couldnt be any more true today.

Maybe it's because immigrants are the problem, when you have thousands of illegal mexicans crossing the border and claiming benefits off hte goverment, than thats bound to affect the economy.

Save Jobs for Americans.

Its not facist to put your own people first, im sure its that way in Mexico aswell.

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Really all you need is for the country to be ran based on corporate interests for it to be fascism. What comes with that is the populations will (either voluntary, coerced, or through force) to keep the nation (read corporation) strong, even if it means going to war, invading other countries (sound familiar).

The US, along with many other industrial western countries, have been fascist for a long time.

Corporations are the collective social organization for capitalists, in order to be better protected, by the government at our expense. Classic fascism, corporations and government supporting each other with a heavy emphasis on the military.

Fascism doesn't have to look like Nazi Germany, they have learned to implement it without overt force. Easy now they have a population who don't know the left from the right, and constantly support policies that go against their own best interest.

Heading towards fascism?

We are there and have been for some time, IMO.

Anok's first paragraph in the last post says it all. Star for him.

Originally posted by Haydn_17
Maybe it's because immigrants are the problem, when you have thousands of illegal mexicans crossing the border and claiming benefits off hte goverment, than thats bound to affect the economy.

Save Jobs for Americans.

Its not facist to put your own people first, im sure its that way in Mexico aswell.

But that is barely anything compared to what is being spent on war in our names.

The illegal immigrant issue is a distraction for where all our money is really going, to support corporate interests overseas. Most of the illegal immigrant claims are wild exaggerations anyway spawned by stupid chain mails.

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So it's not because of the actions of the banks, or wild government spending or anything it's because of immigrants?

Originally posted by muse7
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So it's not because of the actions of the banks, or wild government spending or anything it's because of immigrants?

Well Haydn, likes to blame all societies ills on Muslims or immigrants or lefties. The corporatists and bankers greed seems to go under his radar.

Heading towards? you are already there, the merger of state and corporation happened a long time ago....of course Americans will still end up harping on about America turning in to a communist state etc and in general lapping up the crap that beck and others feed you.

What do you mean "heading towards?" We are already there.

Originally posted by Animatrix
What do you mean "heading towards?" We are already there.

Obviously, fascism is a very subjective thing around ATS. Why don't you just ask a Fascist if he thinks we're there yet? Not even close.

I find it somewhat erronious that you would equate the Tea Party to the Nazi party in terms of a rise towards fascism.
The main tenent of the Tea Party is LESS government intervention, LESS government control.

Please do some homework before ascribing a label to something you obviously do not understand.

No... America is headed into (already in?) a totally new and unique mess that can't be described by any word that I have at my disposal. It's a soup of one part republic, one part oligarchy, one part democracy, one part police state, one part socialist state, one part junk bond scam... and probably several other factors thrown in.

From my point of view America has become a corporate paradise where laws can literally be purchased, without even bothering to hide it, and the citizenry has been programmed and information overloaded into being little more than walking zombies. And the best part? We have the Internet... it's like a video game where we can dump our angst. People used to picket. Now they blog.

In all honesty, picketing was a LOT more effective. These days we type some words out, from our homes, push the "enter" key, and our "accomplishment" center gets activated. We feel as though we've done something when, in reality, we haven't accomplished jack.

To refer to America simply as "heading towards Fascism" is not giving the Devil his due. This is way more complicated and insidious than a simple Fascist state.

And I say these things as a patriotic American who loves this country very much. But to pretend that it's not screwed up beyond all understanding, presently, would be a disservice to this nation and to those who reside here.

~Heff

Originally posted by Ashes of the wake
Heading toward fascism? I think we have been there for a while. It has been said that fascism is the marriage of corporations and the state, and that couldnt be any more true today.

you're absolutely right...i don't see why some people cannot read a dictionary. the power in america comes from corporations, not the people. i think a few here have heard of the "business round table", it's a group of top corporate ceo's that have first seating priviledges, who meet in private with the white house, and their influence is far greater than anyone realizes. it has been like this for a few decades now, and these men were the ones that told Obama flat out that the "public option" in heath care was a non-starter before he even began with the push for healthcare reform (the magazine fortune 500 actually said that in an article). c'mon...why would any sane man give tax breaks to multi-millionaires and billionaires while cutting benefits for the poor?...a subtle, but forceful threat of economic collapse? or even (sic) personal harm? the actions taken to help the wealthy, speak far more louder than the words we hear that supposedly helps the rest of the U.S.