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Originally posted by tinfoilman
reply to post by kcfusion
I think you misunderstand. I'm not here to say that what the Bible says is true or to claim that Jesus was real. Like I said before I'm mostly agnostic.
When I say the Bible has been textually analysed, all I'm saying is that, whatever text was changed in it, you can go see for yourself what text was changed or is missing in most cases if you liked. Nobody is trying to hide what text was changed.
If what the text says is true or not, I don't know. I'm not making any claims as to if the Bible is true or not. That's not we're debating. We're debating if the claims made in the OP's video are true are not and that's all. Therefore the only ones that need to provide evidence are the authors of Zeitgeist and people that argue that Zeitgeist is true because the authors of Zeitgeist are the ones that are claiming that Jesus never existed AND that Jesus was a Freemason even though he never existed. They need to provide evidence that both are true because they have claimed both.
I don't need to provide evidence or prove the Bible was true, because I don't know if Jesus was real or not. I'm not trying to tell he was. And I don't know if the Bible was right or not. I'm not trying to tell you is. I'm just saying we know pretty much what the original text said. I can't speak to if that text was correct or not.
But the supporters of Zeitgeist are the ones with the burden of proof because they're the ones making the claim that Zeitgeist is true. If they were to say, they didn't know if it were true or not, that would be different. But that's not the claim they're making.
Started in late 2008, The Zeitgeist Movement exists fundamentally as the communication and activist arm of an organization called The Venus Project. In some ways it could be categorized as a "Sustainability Movement", in part. The basic pursuit of The Movement is to begin a transition into a new, sustainable social design called a “Resource-Based Economy”. This term was first coined by Jacque Fresco of the Venus Project and refers to an economic structure based exclusively on strategic resource management, as the starting point for all decisions.
In a resource-based economy all of the world's resources are held as the common heritage of all of Earth's people, thus eventually outgrowing the need for the artificial boundaries that separate people. This is the unifying imperative.
For each new class which puts itself in the place of one ruling before it, is compelled, merely in order to carry through its aim, to represent its interest as the common interest of all the members of society, that is, expressed in ideal form: it has to give its ideas the form of universality, and represent them as the only rational, universally valid ones.
-- source: Karl Marx, German Ideology
Originally posted by gandhi
Watched it already.
It's basically calling out bullcrap, while using bullcrap as a debunking method.
It's such a touchy topic with so many different perspectives that has contributed to it over the years, it's literally impossible to get everyone under one conclusion in anything. Why? "because I'm right and your wrong, watch this video".
Originally posted by kallisti36
I have done my research and I chose Christianity. I have heard the other side and I am comfortable where I am. The atheists may be right, but they can't prove themselves anymore than I can. Zeitgeist on the other hand is not ambiguous, it's claims are false and it doesn't take much research to see that (which is why I am so frustrated with Zeitgeist posters, because they haven't researched).