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Originally posted by tinfoilman
No, you haven't, because stars don't move.
See, I never got upset the first time I saw Zeitgeist. I didn't get mad until I found out they were telling lies. It's the LIES that get people mad. Understand? If it's the truth, it's the truth, what are you gonna do? But it didn't turn out to be true! That's the problem.
For example, this is already covered in the 5th video. In Zeitgeist they claim that the "three kings" are the same as the "three magi". and on the 25th they align with Sirius (the star in the east) and point to the Sun. This is a LIE to mislead you into believing what I call a "spooky coincidence".(sniped for space
Matthew 2 (New King James Version)
Wise Men from the East
1 Now after Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, behold, wise men from the East came to Jerusalem,
2 saying, “Where is He who has been born King of the Jews? For we have seen His star in the East and have come to worship Him.”
9 When they heard the king, they departed; and behold, the star which they had seen in the East went before them, till it came and stood over where the young Child was
11 And when they had come into the house, they saw the young Child with Mary His mother, and fell down and worshiped Him. And when they had opened their treasures, they presented gifts to Him: gold, frankincense, and myrrh.
The same three stars are known in Latin America as "The Three Marys." They also mark the northern night sky when the sun is at its lowest point, and were a clear marker for ancient timekeeping.
Richard Hinckley Allen lists many folk names for the Belt of Orion. The English ones include: Jacob's Rod or Staff; Peter's Staff; the Golden Yard-arm; the L, or Ell; the Ell and Yard; the Yard-stick, and the Yard-wand; the Ellwand; Our Lady's Wand; the Magi; the Three Kings; the Three Marys; or simply the Three Stars.
The passage "Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion?" is found in the Bible's Book of Job.
The Malay called the stars in belt as Bintang Tiga Beradik (Three Brother Star).
The Finns call the Orion's belt and the stars below it as Väinämöisen viikate (Väinämöinen's scythe)
The reason is because other religions ripped off Christianity. And that's a well documented fact. After Jesus people would even walk out of tombs with paintings or images of their gods so they could say LOOK! OUR GOD HAS RISEN TOO! They wanted to be like Jesus so they rewrote all their myths and there is much evidence of this. The Zeitgeist people claim it was the other way around, but then have literally no evidence to back that up.
Originally posted by tinfoilman
reply to post by stevcolx
That's a real nice story, but we need evidence. People are even paying out MONEY if you can provide a single pre-Christian source proving Zeitgeist's claims. So far, no evidence. No money paid out. I would like some evidence so I could maybe even go get that money!
Now I like stories and all, but that's not what we're looking for. We already have stories. Need pre-Christian evidence of WHAT Christianity stole from other religions.edit on 29-5-2011 by tinfoilman because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by rebeldog
reply to post by madscientistintraining
The OP sounds like a christian who got their ego hurt by knowledge.(kinda like how the original sin of adam/eve was searching for knowledge) only idiots believe that stuff anyway. must hurt to find out the bible is not the end all of life or death..
whats wrong OP mad you were lied to by some backwoods hick preacher? and to embarassed to let the message of zeitgesit sink in..
I bet you hate Bill Hicks, George Carlin, and Christopher Hitchens too.. and you probably hate Religulous also..
a cross (+) inside a circle and the circle divided into 12
The cross signifying the points in the year when the amount of daylight is ether equal in length to the amount of dark (equinox) or the least amount of light (winter solstice) or the most amount the midsummer solstice
The circle was probably divided in to 12 to match up with the number of moon cycles, and any stars that are in the equatorial region of the night sky that fell into 1 of the 12 division became the zodiac constellations – because the sun seems to move through the equatorial region and so through those stars
This might be a useful place to start looking if anybody’s interested in that
This knowledge is the basis of any calendar systems humans’ use and it’s thanks to this knowledge that civilizations could start – it’s that important
My guess is that the people who worked this out and who created such things a Stonehenge ect became the first priests and they hide how it was done behind some religious mumbo jumbo and charged those that used their services 10% just to keep the whole thing going and to keep themselves from having to do any hard work
put a human figure on a cross or have it standing arms apart and you have a solar deity, Jesus is just another in a long line of solar deities that people have cooked up over the years
Look out for any mention of numbers in text such as the bible
12 – months
30 – degrees (360/12)
4 – seasons
33 – 30 degrees + 3 more degrees that signify the sun has full moved from one month to the next
Or any dates that match up with equinoxes or solstices If you find any of these you are looking at a sun cult
Originally posted by stevcolx
reply to post by tinfoilman
Yeah I get what your saying and I agree. I didn't know they tried to back up their mistakes with lies however. That's new to me. That will in everyone's eyes look like a rebuttle of information that would put them in a bad light. Probably why the OP is saying that the whole Zeitgeist explanation is BS.
Aside from Zeitgeist are you a believer in the concept of the human race being created by the Annunaki? Or are you going with the God story?