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Zeitgeist Totally Refuted! (Do not post Zeitgeist BS ever again)

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posted on Feb, 23 2011 @ 04:59 PM
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hand over everything they own, including their ability to theorize, hypothesize, and have opinions (which are apparently going to be reserved for the really smart guys, who's intellect is determined by whether or not they agree with communist ideals 100% of the time).




posted on Feb, 23 2011 @ 05:15 PM
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Sorry, i can't say i enjoyed the OP. Seems to be coming from the same crowd who claims anything is NWO - Despite it's principles being directly against "NWO" or such alledged "Zionist agenda".

It may be in favour of a networked unity across the globe, but "one world goverments" can't be automatically considered as a bad thing. It's a basic principle of sharing resources in accordance with techological efficiency and progression. To prevent a class divide, live in unity with a fundamental level of education. Without money causing greed, corruption and profitteering there would be no gang culture and less crime.

Again, i believe this is the next logical step for humanity to live in unity and giving every human being the right to clean water and food etc. Technological progression can only increase at an exponential rate, as money prejudice is removed from science; the best medicines will get the most resources, the best ideas for machines will gain presidence.

I think it's a brilliant idea, but it's only an idea - The transitional period between our current global state of affairs and a Venus Project like world would be almost impossible with our current system the way it is.

I've heard people claim Wikileaks is NWO or reptilians. It really does grind at my soul!



posted on Feb, 23 2011 @ 05:18 PM
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it's pretty obvious to me, from reading ATS alone, that i'm considered a complete moron by people who don't allow people to theorize or have any opinions if they differ, even marginally, from the opinions of their peer group. problem is, i don't think other people are stupid if they don't agree with me. maybe the lesson here is "i should" because since i've come to ATS i've been told:

i'm an idiot
a moron
a bigotted christian
an ignorant person
a female who god hates cause god doesn't care about women at all
the devil because i'm white and white people are the children of lucifer
prejudice
stupid
a fool
a stupid, ignorant, prejudice fool, who god hates because i'm a white female whore
i have no brains
i don't think for myself
my theories are all crap.
my opinions are useless tripe
it's best to just put me on ignore cause i'm just a trouble maker
i should be sterilized so i don't pass my dumb onto offspring that people will have to contend with later
some of the critiques about me weren't even spelled properly, and included deep unprejudiced thoughts such as "white people suck" or "christians are brain dead."

one guy, after telling me that god hates me because i'm female and doubly so because i'm white, actually got mad at me when i didn't agree with him. he said, and i quote "I knew you wouldn't understand!" proving his point that god hates me cause i have no understanding.



posted on Feb, 23 2011 @ 05:27 PM
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reply to post by undo
 


They are definitely not preconceptions of mine regarding your individual character.

I'm here to debate ideology.

Peace



posted on Feb, 23 2011 @ 05:42 PM
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there's a twist to the nwo. it uses, piggy backs on, BABYLON THE GREAT. so the two things work in tandem with each other until it turns on BABYLON THE GREAT, and destroys it.

so yeah, it would definitely fit that criteria. the usa, which was originally a representative republic, is now more like a socialist democracy, which we've been forcibly spreading around the world. once the thing has enough countries under its thumb, switcho chango. the young people will be goaded into revolution (all engineered from the top down via the most obscene prejudices possible, under the guise of non-prejudice!).

oh yeah, the crap is gonna hit the fan alright. just remember when you see it transpiring, what was said here.



posted on Feb, 23 2011 @ 05:42 PM
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Originally posted by awake_and_aware
reply to post by adjensen
 


Knew this would come up. Venus Project is just a concept, an idea. As is communism, past examples of communism do not prove that communism as an idea is a bad or a good thing.


Are you aware of the hypocrisy of this statement, given that in other threads, you're claiming that evidence is required to come to a conclusion? In the past 100 years, history has shown that communism is, across the board, brutal, repressive and inefficient. Pure communism has failed every time it has been tried. And yet this evidence means nothing?


Venus Projects assumes that everyone is willing to set up a society together


Why would they assume that? I have no interest in setting up a society with the Zeitgeists, how are they planning on dealing with people like me? Do I get to keep my stuff?


Soviet Russia's communist ideology cannot be compared. Also, there would be no "dictators" in a Venus Project society.


Who's going to make decisions, then? Every little thing going to be put up to a vote? How are you going to keep people from voting for things for their own benefit, as they do now?

Zeitgeist claims that "Only nutritious and healthy food would be available", who is going to make that determination and enforce it? What are they going to do with people who want their potato chips or don't want to eat their vegetables? Forced feedings?


Again, i don't believe you understand the concept


It's not a matter of belief, I can see for a fact that you have absolutely no idea what these people are talking about. You were suckered in with the whole "hey, we're knocking religious people" and now you're apparently unable to view their claims and plans with an unbiased eye.

It's communism, by the very definition. Not only that, but it is absolutely unrealistic -- the nonsensical fantasies of people who do not understand economics, politics, sociology or history.



posted on Feb, 23 2011 @ 06:19 PM
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Oh yes he does have a depopulation plan, because you can't outgrow the complexes. first thing that will go, so fast it'll make everyone's head spin, is a woman's womb. it'll be a battleground and anyone that doesn['t go along with the system, will be bullied into it by the rest of the people (via propaganda and brain washing). you can't expect people of different experiences to get along in communal settings. you can't even expect people of similar experience to get along in communal settings. therefore, harsh laws will be enacted to rein in crime. and crime will be extended to include things like unapproved foods, unapproved substances, unapproved pregnancies, and the list goes on and on and on.


Sorry, you must be talking about your God here, right? Because while you guess that all you described is part of Frescos plan, we KNOW its part of 'Gods'.

He insists on the 'bullying' of those who dont obey the rules: stoning, excommunication, damnation, etc.

He had, and has, 'depopulation plans'. The flood, the ethnic cleansing of the 'promised land', Armageddon,
etc.

He had and has 'harsh laws' enacted, to specifically ban particular foods, behaviours, choices, etc, with
brutal consequences for those who wish to chose differently.

The Christian Gods plans are infinitely more troubling than Zeitgeists, and they included/include EVERYTHING, and more, that your fearmongering falsely insists is part of Frescos plan.

But its OK when the invisible man in the sky says it.

In fact the hypocrisy of the Christians in this thread who attack the Venus Project for things which they imagine must be part of its agenda yet which are EXPLICITLY part of the Christian agenda is pretty shocking.


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posted on Feb, 23 2011 @ 07:19 PM
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Really? That's your defense of their proposed behaviour -- that things in the Bible, which you say never happened, but which are attributed to a being you deem fictional, are worse? That a Christian who says that communism, which has been demonstrated to have killed more people than any religion in all history, is a bad idea, is somehow hypocritical?

For all the claims that people like you make about Christians being illogical, you take the cake.



posted on Feb, 23 2011 @ 07:38 PM
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Originally posted by adjensen
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Really? That's your defense of their proposed behaviour -- that things in the Bible, which you say never happened, but which are attributed to a being you deem fictional, are worse? That a Christian who says that communism, which has been demonstrated to have killed more people than any religion in all history, is a bad idea, is somehow hypocritical?

For all the claims that people like you make about Christians being illogical, you take the cake.


My defense of whom? Im defending the Venus project against the silly claims about what they supposedly WOULD DO - which they haven't done and have never said they would - and highlighting the hypocrisy of
Christians for attacking others for what they have neither done nor planned to do while they support a God THEY BELIEVE did and will do again - if their prayers are answered -EVERYTHING sinister they falsely accuse the Venus project of planning to do.

I dont believe in your God but I do believe in the terrible things his followers have done, from Ancient Israel's time onwards, because THEY BELIEVED the man in the sky told them to.

Ethnic cleasing, strict rules over every aspect of life, forbidden foods, forbidden behaviours, the control of every minute aspect of life is what your God was all about. You pray for this dictator to start up this global regime of dictatorship again. Such Theocracies are more controlling and lethal than anything the Venus project has in mind, but again, its OK when the invisible man in the sky tells you its OK.

Its hypocrisy.

Is the logic clear to you now?
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posted on Feb, 23 2011 @ 07:45 PM
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well is anyone telling you what to eat now in this christian nation? anyone telling you what to read?
how many kids to have? anyone actively advancing the idea of having people only speak in bible speak
rather than opinions, theories or scientific lingo? no? which god we talking about here? i theorize by the time the events in revelation unfold, there won't be any human beings left on the planet. you'll all be wired into the mainframe, and not have a single free will thought.


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posted on Feb, 23 2011 @ 07:53 PM
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No, Christians have no power to control right now, as much as they try, so they're waiting for armageddon to institute a global dictatorship, in which the same murdering control freak who hacked his way through the OT and the battle of Armageddon, in which, the Bible says, the blood will run so deep it will reach the bridles of the horses off Gods death squads. Then He'll institute a global obey or die scheme and get back to his old habits of telling everyone what to do in every aspect of their lives.

Thy Kingdom come, right? THY WILL BE DONE ON EARTH, RIGHT?

This is what you're all on your knees for.

Of course, its not going to happen and I dont believe any of it for a moment.

But Christians do. They cant wait!

As I said, its hypocrisy.

PS Yes, Christians DO attempt to control all of the things you mentioned already among those they have sway over.
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posted on Feb, 23 2011 @ 07:55 PM
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Originally posted by Malcram
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No, you're waiting for armageddon to institute a global dictatorship, in which the same murdering control freak who hacked his way through the OT and the battle of Armageddon, in which, the Bible says, the blood will run so deep it will reach the bridles of the horses off Gods death squads. Then He'll institute a global obey or die scheme and get back to his old habits of telling everyone what to do in every aspect of their lives.

Thy Kingdom come, right? THY WILL BE DONE ON EARTH, RIGHT?

This is what you're all on your knees for.

Of course, its not going to happen and I dont believe any of it for a moment.

But Christians do. They cant wait!

As I said, its hypocrisy.


actually, i don't think enki (yeshua, jesus) was the one hacking his way thru history. and i don't think you understand the predicament.

here, watch this



posted on Feb, 23 2011 @ 07:57 PM
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now i dunno about you, but borg scare the hell outta me. i'd much rather be less than great, retain my opinions, and flawed folksy interpretations, than be a bug.



posted on Feb, 23 2011 @ 07:59 PM
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Yes, Undo, but when I speak of Christians, Im not really speaking about you. You are something altogether unique



posted on Feb, 23 2011 @ 08:11 PM
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well i don't want anybody to be hurt and neither does jesus! so i can only assume when jesus returns to the planet, he ain't coming back to kill human beings (would be a contradiction of the rest of his teaching). he's going to liberate the earth of the hive mind, who by then, will have enslaved all the minds of the planet. like bugs with a queen bee. gonna be quite scifi-ish, i imagine, but then so are cell phones (star trek communicators baby!). it sounds as if the network people are linked into, will have already caused quite a bit of misery and suffering. seems alot of the death transpiring will not be those of the inflicted, but the overlords who are inflicting the hive on the people. the birds are called to feast on the kings and queens and rulers (the global eiites). hey, you'll probably thank him later, cause it doesn't sound like it's going to be pleasant to live like that, after awhile. it even says, people will WANT to die, and will not be able to. can't make any of your own decisions. can you say, " I am borg. And can you please get me outta this place!"? nope. no free will.
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posted on Feb, 23 2011 @ 09:01 PM
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Originally posted by Malcram

Originally posted by adjensen
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Really? That's your defense of their proposed behaviour -- that things in the Bible, which you say never happened, but which are attributed to a being you deem fictional, are worse? That a Christian who says that communism, which has been demonstrated to have killed more people than any religion in all history, is a bad idea, is somehow hypocritical?

For all the claims that people like you make about Christians being illogical, you take the cake.


My defense of whom? Im defending the Venus project against the silly claims about what they supposedly WOULD DO - which they haven't done and have never said they would


They have quite clearly said what they want to do -- the fact that you're unable to see it is your fault, not theirs.


You pray for this dictator to start up this global regime of dictatorship again. Such Theocracies are more controlling and lethal than anything the Venus project has in mind, but again, its OK when the invisible man in the sky tells you its OK.


You don't have the faintest idea what you are talking about. I am likely more opposed to a theocracy than you are, because I'm clearly better versed in history, political repression and social structure than you are.


Its hypocrisy.


The only hypocrisy I see here is a bunch of New Age wanna be messiahs who claim to want the best for humanity, but propose methods that have been shown time and again to be completely ineffective without violent suppression of all dissent.



posted on Feb, 23 2011 @ 09:30 PM
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They have quite clearly said what they want to do --the fact that you're unable to see it is your fault, not theirs.
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Erm, yes, and what they have said they want to do does not include some of the silly things others have accused them of here. Can you tell the difference? Perhaps if you bothered to read what others were saying before you jumped into the middle of dicussions and posts which weren't responses to you then you might be more clear on what was actually under discussion.




You don't have the faintest idea what you are talking about. I am likely more opposed to a theocracy than you are, because I'm clearly better versed in history, political repression and social structure than you are.


Fine Christian humility

Sure. Of course you are. In fact your superior to me in every way. And one day the man in the sky will
reward you for being just so darned superior to everyone else!

Something to look forward to.

Oh and can you explain to me how a Christian who believes in God and his rule 'on earth, as it is in heaven' be more opposed to a theocracy than someone who doesn't believe in it or desire it?

Do you know what theocracy means?




posted on Feb, 23 2011 @ 09:42 PM
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Oh and can you explain to me how a Christian who believes in God and his rule 'on earth, as it is in heaven' be more opposed to a theocracy than someone who doesn't believe in it or desire it?


i can, i can! people are still given their free will. you still get a choice. it won't be a theocracy in the sense we think of theocracy today. i'm guessing though, with the real deal right there, would be kinda hard to say, "i don't believe he or they exist." so the rationale for not believing would have to be different.



posted on Feb, 24 2011 @ 12:46 AM
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Originally posted by awake_and_aware
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He believes there is enough resources on this planet to cater for everyone on this planet, to give everyone a satisfactory means of living, and for promoting a technological society, where people do things not for "credits" (money) but for credit
(pride, helping humankind)

Umm do you mean after half of the population is killed or after 90% are neutered and spayed?



posted on Feb, 24 2011 @ 05:01 AM
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Kallisti, can we stick strictly to the facts for a moment and what we have hard evidence for, rather than accusations which rely purely on assumption and projection?

Can you show me where the Venus project has spoken of the need for population reduction through mass murder or enforced sterilization, etc. Or even if they have ever suggested the need for population reduction at all.

Im no expert on the Venus project so I'd genuinely be interesred to see if you have such evidence.

And please dont just say 'its obvious' or 'their plans would require it' as this would be nothing but opinion and baseless claims and, seeing as your hatred of Zeitgeist is already well established, I dont think anyone can reasonably accept that such claims are made without extreme bias.

And may I remind you that your attitude and level of honesty in this issue has bearing on your claims made throughout the thread, in that, if you are willing to accuse The Venus Project of such disgusting plans without any evidence, then why should anyone believe any of your other claims regarding Zeitgeist in this thread? You would have shown complete disregard for the facts and honesty.

So I do hope you have real verifiable evidence that this is what the Venus Project plans.
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