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"It does not mean that you can get your virginity back. If you have sex"
"What they're trying to say is no matter how many times you have sex you're still a virgin! Well how convenient for the Zeitgeist people huh? But perpetual virginity does not work that way. In other words it's a bunch of BS. They're just plain wrong. They even admit it themselves. Krishna was not a virgin birth. He was some kinda other special, rework the rules, maybe if everyone lets us get away with this crap, pagan, redefinition of the word virgin, virgin birth. Which is something completely different than saying, Mary never had sex. So when they compare the two they're comparing apples and oranges and are being dishonest."
"nowhere in the Zeitgeist video do they talk about how the deities had to get their virginity back or the concept of perpetual virginity"
Basic factoids concerning Zeitgeist part 1: Zeitgeist part 1 is only around 25 minutes long and was never created to serve as a scholarly documentary. The transcript and subtitles have been translated into nearly 3 dozen different languages and has been viewed over 200 million times worldwide. All one has to do is read the Q & A at the Zeitgeist website to see how ZG came into existence: HOW DID "ZEITGEIST: THE MOVIE" COME TO BE?: "The original Zeitgeist was actually not a "film", but a performance piece, which consisted of a vaudevillian style multi-media event using recorded music, live instruments and video. The event was given over a 6-night period in New York City and then, without any interest to professionally release or produce the work, was "tossed" up on the Internet arbitrarily. The work was never designed as a film or even a documentary in a traditional sense - it was designed as a creative, provoking, emotionally driven expression, full of artistic extremity and heavily stylized gestures. However, once online, an unexpected flood of interest began to generate. Within 6 months over 50 Million views were recorded on Google Video counters (before they were reset for some reason). The current combined estimates put the number of Internet views at over 100 million as of 2009. Suddenly "Zeitgeist" the event, became "Zeitgeist: The Movie"." - Peter Joseph "The religion section is the strongest of the whole work" - Peter Joseph www.freethoughtnation.com...
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by CuteAngel
Actually, the Bible as we know it today is a compilation of varying authors, which were chosen by the Roman Empire to suit their needs of reconciling the old Pagan Roman religions and the new religion of Christ and his followers. Jesus appointed Peter as head of this new Church. It turns out that the concept of the trinity came from Theophilus of Antioch about A.D. 180 and then later Tertullian.
Banned from the official bible are the writings of Origen, who was at first accepted in Christian thought, and later anathematized by the Second Council of Constantinople in 553. source orthodoxwiki.org...
Other ancient writings not included are excerpts of the Dead Sea Scrolls, although the book of Enoch is included in the Apocrypha after beind discovered by James Bruce in 1773. source reluctant-messenger.com...
The Roman Empire wanted control and added various elements of its pagan religion to Christian doctrine and practice. The date of Christ's birth is one such example of inserting pagan beliefs into practice.
The Old Testament is of the Tanackh, a canon of the Hebrew Bible. It's always very interesting to me when people refer to writings of the Bible as the official Word of God as if it is autonomous from the authors who wrote it down. If you were to say today that something you write is the word of God, how many people would claim blasphemy? Also, there is the question of translation, as I believe that some meanings can be lost in translation say from the Hebrew or Aramaic to Greek to English, and from the King James version to say, the New King James Version. re -Psalm 138:2, KJV HomeArticlesFAQBooksVerse ChartsKJV DictionaryOnline KJVSearchContact
That link give specific examples of possible erroneous translations
In the end, I believe we must go into the heart and find our connection with the Creator of all that is. There have indeed been some common threads in many religions. For one instance, the trinity of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is comparable to the Hindu Brahma(father, Visnu(Son), and Shiva(Holy Spirit). Kali is the Divine Mother. Why argue with these similarities? If these are common, then perhaps the nugget of truth is deeper in our reality than any one written or oral version.
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
An addendum to my last post, according to wikipedia, Catholicism was declared by Rome to be the State religion, legalized in 313. Since that time the Roman Catholic church has amassed great wealth and power. Another religion which appears to be a State religion in many parts of the world is Islam. Both religious empires have desired to force upon others a demand to follow at one time or another. At risk of entering taboo subject, Zionism could comparatively be a State religion of power similar to the others, while ignoring the deeper mysticism. I tend to like the more mystical elements of all the religions. At some point, how do we separate the mystical reality from our political persuasions?edit on 18-2-2011 by ThirdEyeofHorus because: spelling
Originally posted by Malcram
reply to post by grizzle2
It sn't hard to see that the religious parts of Zeitgeist are the worst kind of appeal to the basest parts of human nature. "You are God".
Hmm, your God may disagree with you on that.
John 14 - 10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto
you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works... 20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you... Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
John 17:11(kjv)—Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are. . .14b . . . because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. . . 21 That they may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us[.]
The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: 21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
Buddhaesque Nondualism, and the concept of realization of being One with 'God', or the Source or Brahman, or whatever you want to call it, appears even in the edited and selected Biblical Text designed to suit the Catholic Church. They couldn't quite erase all the evidence.
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the crucial Christian assertion, that God is One, sets an absolute limit on the meaning of theosis - it is not possible for any created being to become, ontologically, God or even another god.
"For God knows that in the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and (A)you will be like God, knowing good and evil."
"my disagreement with zeitgeist and acharya is the tendency to just relegate thousands of years of data to being nothing but lies."
"i agree with acharya that there is indeed an astronomical connection between the ancient gods mentioned in ancient texts. but i don't agree that this is ALL the information that is valid in the ancient texts"
"At Stonehenge in England and Carnac in France, in Egypt and Yucatan, across the whole face of the earth are found mysterious ruins of ancient monuments, monuments with astronomical significants. These relics of other times are as accessible as the American Midwest and as remote as the jungles of Guatemala. Some of them were built according to celestial alignments; others were actually precision astronomical observatories... Careful observation of the celestial rhythms was compellingly important to early peoples, and their expertise, in some respects, was not equaled in Europe until three thousand years later." - Dr. Edwin Krupp * "Suns of God" page 26 Dr. Edwin Krupp is an Astronomer and Director of the Griffith Observatory in Los Angeles www.griffithobs.org...
you appear to argue that she doesn't use that as her reason to claim they are just lies meant to manipulate societies
Originally posted by kallisti36
reply to post by GoldenKnight
Wow, yet again, I am very pleased to see that Acharya S agrees with herself. Call her a liar, a moron, a charlatan, but far be it from me to say she is schizophrenic.
Even if she is right about this doctrine of regaining virginity, it doesn't matter, because Devaki still had sex before that. Mary never had sex before the birth of Ya'hshuah. If Devaki was still considered a virgin in Hindu thought (and she wasn't) it doesn't matter because she wouldn't be considered a virgin in Jewish thought.
Originally posted by zimishey
ahaaaa Mr Keithtruth? I was subscribed to you at youtube when your username was Nowheretorun1984. Very first time I challenged you in comments section of a video bout 2 years ago you invited me to do an interview.
I only ever have challenged your views, never insulted you personally.
Now yesterday I happened upon your new user name and a video where you were claiming tyhat Michael Tsarison had got your channel taken down, and you were whining because 'all I did was challenge his views, I never insulted him'. Ie., you were speaking up for freedom of speech---HERE HERE SIr! But then when I went to leave a comment I get 'you are blocked!' So I am wondering why?
So it is funny to find you here, if your still posting--because you cant block me
Now you believe ardently, missionarily even, that your religion is the only true one right? And historical?
Now I want to ask you --who were the early christians? You divde them up from the 'bad christians' that came after and persecuted them, right?
Your 'God's' a brutal war God? isn't HE?
I think this is relevant, because trying to prove that other mythological characters are not connected with the Jesus myth doesn't take away the fact his dad is a brutal war god does it?edit on 18-2-2011 by zimishey because: spelling
I'm focusing on the claims of hers that I know are false, like her cruciform nonsense and virgin birth apples to oranges claims.
Originally posted by kallisti36
reply to post by GoldenKnight
Also, can you stop the Ad homs with Keith Truth? They're annoying and lame. Prove him wrong.edit on 18-2-2011 by kallisti36 because: (no reason given)