Originally posted by EmpathicBandit
The messiah figure WAS stolen from past tales.. have you even looked into your own theistic beliefs or do you just follow the scripture that's in
front of you?
Yes, I have actually. I was actually an agnostic before I began studying Theology. Provide a concrete parallel between Ya'hshuah and some other deity.
I don't want tenable similarities, give me definitive evidence of plagarism.
Zeitgeist, though it does (as another member said) take on some creative journalism, points out very blatant similarities between many theistic belief
systems. It organizes it in a way that even the stupidest citizen of the global community can understand what they are trying to get across, not
EVERYone is as astute an observer as you are
It doesn't take an "astute observer" to see that Zeitgeist is wrong. As I said, very shallow research will provide you with enough evidence to refute
Zeitgeist, Acharya S, Freke, and Gandi. In the provided video, the researcher does deep
research to prove that they are all wrong. He goes to
archaeologists and professors (many of whom are atheists) and refutes every last claim Zeitgeist made of Ya'hshuah. He also shows that the views that
Zeitgeist is propagating are from fringe psuedo-archaeologists who don't provide sources and use forgeries for "evidence" (Freke and Gandi) and aren't
taken seriously in the historical, archaeological, or theological communities (even among skeptics!).
There are many great points made and there are many again that could be argued for hours, but the point is that they presented a discussion in a
limited amount of time and made it easy to understand for the masses who need to hear it, and thats that, plain and simple.
If I made a video in which I played two truths and a lie (or two lies and a conspiracy that may be true in the case of Zeitgeist) for a couple hours
and then presented it as the "truth" of the "spirit of the age", would you recommend it to others? It takes hours to pick apart the truth from the
lies in Zeitgeist as you noted:
we could sit here for hours and type till our fingers bleed about the minor details and misconceptions that you, i, or the creators of the video
have, but facts are facts and myths are myths,
The truths in the movie might be very profound and important (I'm being generous here), but the lies, especially in the case of Zeitgeist could be
very malevolent when taken to heart. Ya'hshuah made the fantastic claim of being "the way, the truth, and the life", the implications of which are
wonderful and dire. We have to decide if these claims are true or false, because a lot is riding on that statement. So, we have to study and
soul-search to discover if that is true or not. We cannot be frivolous in our interpretations, we can't use blatantly dishonest sources. Zeitgeist
lies like no other, and therefor should not be taken seriously. Go to the Scriptures, go to history, go to Dawkins, go to Monks, go to the Dalai
Llama, but at least go to someone reputable.
so before you go making absolute claims (which i realize you have taken back) you should do some research and use that noggin on top of your
shoulders once in a while instead of blindly following what is to someone else a Heathen religion.
I have done my research and I chose Christianity. I have heard the other side and I am comfortable where I am. The atheists may be right, but they
can't prove themselves anymore than I can. Zeitgeist on the other hand is not ambiguous, it's claims are false and it doesn't take much research to
see that (which is why I am so frustrated with Zeitgeist posters, because they haven't researched).
I am not religious and i dont intend to offend your beliefs, but if you are going to make an argument in a place like this about a thing like this,
then i suggest you come prepared, and MAYBE just MAYBE like again another member mentioned, if you DONT want to hear or talk about it, then.. keep it
to yourself? dont click on them if it upsets you? just like following a religion or not, we all have a choice, sometimes the best choice is to NOT do
As I said, I will abide an intelligent, non-belligerent atheist in debate, but being a Christian, I will not abide transparent falsehoods about my
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