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Originally posted by Amaterasu
Originally posted by hypervalentiodine
Originally posted by Amaterasu
Originally posted by CharlesMartel
reply to post by Amaterasu
I was surprised to see two new Pepsi products when shopping this evening" Pepsi Throwback" and "Mountain Dew Throwback".
They have sugar instead of high fructose corn syrup. Sugar might not be that good for you but it is better than high fructose corn syrup or any of the other artificial stuff. I still didn't buy either.
That Mountain Dew Throwback is surprisingly yummy. I don't usually drink soda, but I tried it and it's awesome.
HFCS is quite evil, and I was glad to see "sugar" on the list and no HFCS.
You do realise that HFCS consists of glucose and fructose, right? Both of those are sugars.
There IS a difference between the way sugars - and even sucrose (cane and beet sugar) differ between sources.
Link: articles.sfgate.com...
Given that glucose is linked to type 2 diabetes, I think it's fair to say that our systems do NOT approach sugars identically, and given that fructose (without its supporting system of fruit matter) has been linked to obesity, liver "scarring," and other ailments that sucrose (one sugar available in nearly pure form naturally) does not, we may conclude that it matters greatly WHICH sugar we are speaking of. And if a label says "sugar," it means either cane or beet sugar. Sucrose.edit on 2/17/2011 by Amaterasu because: typo
Originally posted by hypervalentiodine
Of course. Glucose comes in many different forms. As a monomer unit, it has the alpha an beta anomer and has a polymer, it can be joined to another unit by any on of its hydroxyl groups. Cellulose is made out of glucose monomers.
Sucrose is actually a combination of glucose and fructose as well, which when metabolised breaks down into, well, glucose and fructose. Would you like to know what else glucose is implicated in? Production of ATP - i.e. cellular energy. We use glucose as a natural form on energy, so saying that it is bad for you is somewhat daft. Fructose is converted to fructose in our livers as well. It doesn't particularly matter if it's the alpha or beta anomer that we ingest, either. Although we use alpha-D-glucose, beta-D-glucose may be converted to the alpha version via a process called mutarotation. It's quite a simple process and happens all the time. Oh and guess what? Sucrose can also cause obesity and diabetes. I don't know why you find that so surprising.
Originally posted by Amaterasu
Originally posted by hypervalentiodine
Of course. Glucose comes in many different forms. As a monomer unit, it has the alpha an beta anomer and has a polymer, it can be joined to another unit by any on of its hydroxyl groups. Cellulose is made out of glucose monomers.
Sucrose is actually a combination of glucose and fructose as well, which when metabolised breaks down into, well, glucose and fructose. Would you like to know what else glucose is implicated in? Production of ATP - i.e. cellular energy. We use glucose as a natural form on energy, so saying that it is bad for you is somewhat daft. Fructose is converted to fructose in our livers as well. It doesn't particularly matter if it's the alpha or beta anomer that we ingest, either. Although we use alpha-D-glucose, beta-D-glucose may be converted to the alpha version via a process called mutarotation. It's quite a simple process and happens all the time. Oh and guess what? Sucrose can also cause obesity and diabetes. I don't know why you find that so surprising.
I like that. Someone with some knowledge. I don't believe I showed any surprise. However, despite how and with what it is best to consume sugar, there are plenty of reports that link HFCS, specifically, with a number of health issues. Even compared to sugar (sucrose), the results show it is unhealthy.
Originally posted by XtraTL
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Originally posted by hypervalentiodine
My apologies. Most people who argue against HFCS fail to realise what it actually is and it's role in terms of metabolism. Like any sugar, you eat too much of it, bad things happen. I think the main problem with HFCS is the quantities that people consume it in. I know people who go through 2 + litres of cola a day and then wonder why their doctor's tell them they need to lose weight or they are running the risk of heart disease. As I said, sucrose is broken down in the liver into the same monomer units as are found in HFCS. The only difference is that it takes longer to get to that form, since they have to be enzymatically broken down. From what I understand, this would be what contributes to HFCS's greater associated health risks. It is simply because the glucose is fast absorbed into the blood stream in mass amounts. If your body doesn't need it, it stores is as glycogen. Fat stores build up as a result and then voila, you have obesity and the associated health risks to your heart.
Originally posted by Amaterasu
And they laughed at me.
What more can I say?
EDIT to add: I found a soda sweetened with stevia the other day. I was stunned.
Anyway, why AREN'T They using stevia? Mix it with some agave and it tastes just like sugar (and I have had some discerning pallets agree). Why isn't stevia - which doesn't seem that difficult to grow - being looked at and promoted more? It helps stabilize the blood sugar, even.
They want to poison us?edit on 2/16/2011 by Amaterasu because: Now that the initial shock has worn off...edit on 2/16/2011 by Amaterasu because: typo
Originally posted by raknjak
Originally posted by Amaterasu
And they laughed at me.
What more can I say?
EDIT to add: I found a soda sweetened with stevia the other day. I was stunned.
Anyway, why AREN'T They using stevia? Mix it with some agave and it tastes just like sugar (and I have had some discerning pallets agree). Why isn't stevia - which doesn't seem that difficult to grow - being looked at and promoted more? It helps stabilize the blood sugar, even.
They want to poison us?
In Europe this sweetener wasn't allowed to be used until 2010 because it was thought te be dangerous... go figure.