Obama secretly sneaks carbon tax on almost everything!

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posted on Feb, 16 2011 @ 02:48 PM
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In 2006 "econometrist" Nicholas Stern published a widely-criticized economic study that served as the foundation for the imposition of carbon taxes in various forms in the EU and UK, stifling economic growth and doing little to help in carbon remediation.

In February 2010, the Obama administration quietly and surreptitiously set in place significant regulation and taxation of CO2: "the Social Cost of Carbon (SCC)."

According to economist Frank Ackerman, “it is the most important number you’ve never heard of.”
www.e3network.org...

This is precisely the politicization of CO2 environmentalism for which Stern has since been criticized and many of his conclusions discredited.

Between the middle of 2009 and February 2010, hand-picked members the Council of Economic Advisers, the Office of Management and Budget, the Council on Environmental Quality, National Economic Council, Office of Energy and Climate Change, Office of Science and Technology Policy,
the Environmental Protection Agency and the departments of Agriculture, Commerce, Energy, Transportation and Treasury — but no outside organizations -- cobbled together, with no public debate, a private "consensus" on how to price carbon in the U.S.
www.miller-mccune.com...


The SCC figure adopted last February is $21per ton of CO2 (about two weeks' use of your car). The value has already been applied to standards for fuel efficiency, and tailpipe emissions. It will be figured into any carbon mitigation strategy, whether cap and trade, cap and dividend or carbon tax.


It has also been applied to new appliance efficiency costs and standards, and is being considered for industrial and power-generation applications as well. The initial rate in the UK was approx. $43/ton; it is now closer to $125. Once imposed, the "creep up" is inevitable.

(Think back to 2009, when OMB was estimating costs of carbon tax -- they "guessed" up to $8,000+/year!)

Have you noticed higher gasolines prices? SCC adds at least $0.20 per gallon!
Has anyone else seen higher electric, heat or food prices?

And, this is when the Feds were warning about deflation. As with everything else about the Obama administration, say one thing, do the opposite!

The catch is that the added costs have been slipped into our regulatory apparatus unannounced and without public debate!

Law professors Jonathan Masur and Eric Posner (Obama's ex-colleagues from the Univ. of Chicago) decry this type of "Feasibility Analysis" as opposed to more open and traditional "cost-benefit analysis."

(Didn't Obama just get raves from the MSM for espousing cost-benefit analysis?)But, he employs a criticized analytic that these legal scholars call "unsuitable for government."

Masur and Posner elaborate:

[w]e stumbled upon the fact that the government is in effect regulating carbon through the SCC.
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[T]he sensible thing to do would be to have a national discussion on how to price carbon, [but wonder if] the Obama administration deems this discussion politically impossible or politically dangerous. Inherent in the SCC number are moral and diplomatic judgments as well as scientific and economic uncertainties. Therefore, it reflects some very political decisions that are probably best made in a political way by political actors. But these were made very quietly in a room among agency heads and economists.


There was a time for public comment, but it came during discussions about rules for fuel economy and emissions related to the Clean Air Act, and not during a specifically designated climate process.


Ackerman says, "A decision was made through the interagency task force with almost no one knowing that it was happening. There’s no office that claims credit, no website that explains anything about it. This crucial number, which turns out to be the fulcrum for climate policy, was decided in secret by a task force with no names attached to it.

www.e3network.org...

Seems like regardless of your "faith" in AGW, the Obama administration has already written the basic rules governing the prices we will pay for our lifestyles for the foreseeable future.

They're just not going to tell you that they are doing it.

deny ignorance

jw
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posted on Feb, 16 2011 @ 02:53 PM
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Ah America, welcome to the club my friends...
Our politicians here in Blighty have been doing this to us for ages now...



posted on Feb, 16 2011 @ 02:58 PM
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its regulations like this that move American businesses to Asia.
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posted on Feb, 16 2011 @ 03:03 PM
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Originally posted by gougitousakusha
its regulations like this that move American businesses to Asia.
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..............and that is all part of the plan.



posted on Feb, 16 2011 @ 03:09 PM
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My eldest child moved to the UK when she finished law school for the "enlightened thinking" of their government.

She returned to Texas early this year, truly "enlightened."

Government that enforces a misguided socio-political agenda through surreptitious redistrbution is doomed to fail.



posted on Feb, 16 2011 @ 03:22 PM
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Originally posted by gougitousakusha
its regulations like this that move American businesses to Asia.
edit on 16-2-2011 by gougitousakusha because: (no reason given)


Why should we accept a tax imposed by regulatory agencies that do not have the power to tax?

This "Social Cost of Carbon" sham is merely another hand in our pockets, driving costs up, with NO benefits to show for it!

(What do Rand Paul and Michele Bachmann think about this?)



posted on Feb, 16 2011 @ 03:58 PM
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If they were using the money collected towards development of clean renewable energy production, I am all for it. But, it is kick-back money to oil, mining companies for lost profits.
The other flow is the long-term funding of federal bureaucrats salaries and lush retirement benefits forever.
Entitlements will destroy America if we let get away with it.



posted on Feb, 16 2011 @ 06:44 PM
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Originally posted by jdub297
Why should we accept a tax imposed by regulatory agencies that do not have the power to tax?


Their power to tax is derived from the barrels of the firearms used against those who would refuse said tax. It is becoming readily apparent that the imposition of taxes requires no lawful basis...it just requires that there are those willing to enforce said taxes as long as their paycheck clears.
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posted on Feb, 16 2011 @ 07:30 PM
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Originally posted by jdub297
reply to post by CholmondleyWarner
 

My eldest child moved to the UK when she finished law school for the "enlightened thinking" of their government.

She returned to Texas early this year, truly "enlightened."

Government that enforces a misguided socio-political agenda through surreptitious redistrbution is doomed to fail.

I hope your eldest is now happy back at home? Unless the people of the UK act fast and stop the government from ripping us all off and taxing us to the hilt I think we will all end up as slave labour. Mind you, I think America will go the same way except that you guys are armed and can fight back... Us here in Blighty...We are just cannon fodder if we dare to riot or fight back.



posted on Feb, 16 2011 @ 07:40 PM
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Just look at who was "locked-in" on carbon trading: GE had a special subsidiary, BP and ExxonMobil. Lppk who's connected in now that cap and trade is unnecessary: GE.

The money flows all the way from us through them and back to the government; and no one even notices!



posted on Feb, 16 2011 @ 07:47 PM
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Their power to tax is derived from the barrels of the firearms used against those who would refuse said tax. It is becoming readily apparent that the imposition of taxes requires no lawful basis...it just requires that there are those willing to enforce said taxes as long as their paycheck clears.


Why would anyone need to use force or threats when we do not even see it happening.

The extra $0.20 per gallon is accepted. The added $5.00 per month for heat and light are not even noticed.

This is the perverse beauty of the "feasibility analysis" (Read: "What can we get away with?"), as opposed to the "cost-benefit analysis" Obama claims he's applying to all regulations!

Even his former Chicago School of Law cronies have called him on it. But, where's the MSM? Where are the headlines and expose's?

We are being lied to and taking it in the ass without even a whimper or a little vaseline.

deny ignorance
jw



posted on Feb, 16 2011 @ 07:54 PM
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I hope your eldest is now happy back at home? Unless the people of the UK act fast and stop the government from ripping us all off and taxing us to the hilt I think we will all end up as slave labour. Mind you, I think America will go the same way except that you guys are armed and can fight back... Us here in Blighty...We are just cannon fodder if we dare to riot or fight back.


I hate to tell you this, but if you think the unrest in the Middle East is due to Islamist sentiment, you are in for a horrible shock.

The revolts we are witness to today are the result of oppressive government and powerlessness. It is spreading. It will cross into the former Soviet Union, move into the Western European countries strugglig to keep afloat and employed, and jump across the Channel.

Once the UK falls, it will "jump the pond." I saw this coming before the inauguration. It is all but inevitable.

deny ignorance
jw



posted on Feb, 16 2011 @ 08:02 PM
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reply to post by jdub297
 

I agree with you. Its nothing to do with Islamist forces or religious differences...Its to do with a world wide awakening of human beings, no matter what creed, colour or religion you are. Mans search for freedom has suddenly realised that the enemy Isn't from a foreign shore but sits in its government... Maybe there is hope for humanity after all.



posted on Feb, 16 2011 @ 08:06 PM
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Great article on the revolutionary potentiality in places like Egypt and Tunisia. The true value of democracy is that it is content-less. The calls by some in the West to keep an oppressive regime in power highlights the absurdity of the manifestation of that thing we call 'liberal democracy'.

www.guardian.co.uk...



posted on Feb, 16 2011 @ 08:49 PM
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I couldn't agree more. If it looks like democracy, it doesn't matter that the "president" is a ruthless, thieving dictator, or the "parliament" a spineless rubber-stamp policy foil.

We have to get beyond form to substance; where individual men and women matter more than personal greed. America espoused that once, before we got a taste of Imperialism by saving imperialist Europe from the world wars they started. Then, power became all-important, not freedom or people any longer.

It will take a new revolution; smile and grin at the change all around, ... . We won't get fooled again.

I hope.



posted on Feb, 16 2011 @ 09:04 PM
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Saving us from wars..? I take it you mean WW2... Hmmm, just a pity you didn't save us all sooner instead of waiting a year and half until Britain had won the Battle of Britain and halted Hitlers sweep across Europe. You weren't interested in what was going on in Europe until Germany declared war on you!!! I do wish Americans would get this ridiculous notion that they saved Britain and Europe from the nazi's out of their heads because its all nonsense. Just as we helped the freedom fighters in Poland, Norway, France, etc, America eventually had to help because of Germany declaring war on them. I wonder how much longer we would have fought on alone if Germany hadn't forced your hand.
Anyway, back on topic...



posted on Feb, 16 2011 @ 11:42 PM
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OK. So you "stopped" the German march across Europe where; the Channel?
Appeasement pretty much gave Hitler free rein across the Continent.

And why would they declare war on the US? Maybe it was the "lend-lease"program that kept Russia and the UK armed, fed and capable of defending themselves? Or American munitions, fuel and raw materials, including soldiers, that bolstered your faltering stocks.

Point is, though, that we got as taste for what you'd enjoyed as you colonized North Africa, the Middle East and Eurasia as far East as India. As a consequence, we abandoned our good intentions for treasure and influence.

We're seeing the fallout now your that your former caliphates, colonies and protectorates shake off the bonds of the dictators who replaced you with our support.

Is this the beginning of a New World Dis-order? Will Americans strike back before Europe or the UK?

Just look where serious protests have already occurred:

Ireland
Greece
England
France
Italy
Burma/Myanmar
Kashmir
India
Bosnia
Estonia
Zimbabwe
Sudan/South Sudan
Pakistan
Syria
Lebanon
Afghanistan
Spain
Portugal
Georgia
Ingushetia
Chechneya
Azerbaijan
Iran
Iraq
Kyrgyzstan
Russia
Beijing
Tunisia
Armenia
Indonesia
Bahrain
Wisconsin
Washington, D.C.
various Tea Parties
Libya
Egypt
Jordan
Yemen
and probably half a dozen others I've overlooked. These aren't all Islamist -driven, are they?

Something's cookin.'

jw
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posted on Feb, 17 2011 @ 07:05 PM
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Originally posted by Namaste1001

Originally posted by gougitousakusha
its regulations like this that move American businesses to Asia.
edit on 16-2-2011 by gougitousakusha because: (no reason given)



..............and that is all part of the plan.


Need proof?
Here's what happened so far this year:

Most commodity prices rose Thursday after a new government report indicated inflation may be inching higher.

The Labor Department said the Consumer Price Index rose 0.4 percent last month. Core prices, which exclude volatile food and energy costs, rose 0.2 percent. That's the largest monthly increase in more than a year.

Food prices increased 0.5 percent in January, the most in more than two years. Energy costs rose 2.1 percent.
abcnews.go.com...

Across-the-board increases, but highest for energy; who'd've guessed?
Why could this be?

Rising global demand for food and fuel pushed up the U.S. cost of living more than forecast in January, a sign the risk of a damaging drop in prices is ebbing.

The consumer-price index advanced 0.4 percent for a second month, led by the biggest increase in food costs in more than two years, according to figures today from the Labor Department in Washington. Other reports showed manufacturing is bolstering the expansion, and consumer confidence is being buffeted by rising household expenses.

Americans are paying more for air travel and clothing as growing economies in Asia and Latin America boost demand for commodities like oil and cotton. Another report today showing more people than projected filed claims for jobless benefits last week indicates workers don’t have the power to seek bigger pay increases, evidence inflation is unlikely to flare.
www.bloomberg.com...

So, inflation isn't causing it; what is?
And, guess whose prices AREN'T rising as much as expected?

China’s consumer inflation rose more slowly than expected in January, even with a reweighting of the index, but wholesale prices outpaced forecasts, according to data released Tuesday.


www.marketwatch.com...

Since the prices in December also rose, against expectations, and no one blames inflation, what else is causing prices to rise?

Could it be ... ... Obama?



posted on Feb, 18 2011 @ 11:44 PM
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You pretty much prove my point my friend. You list a whole column of countries where the populace have realised we are being manipulated and used, yet where are our American colonial friends!? We here in Europe don't have guns or any way to protect ourselves yet we turn out onto the streets and protest knowing full well that at any given moment the government sponsored agent provocateurs could cause violence and the army pr police could mow us down.
Youtube is full of Americans with their guns announcing that they will meet force with force, violence with violence, but it seems you are no where to be seen! The world is about to ignite yet the people of the most influential country in the world are nowhere to be seen and are suspiciously absent!
"Americans, where are you!?"



posted on Feb, 19 2011 @ 12:01 AM
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Originally posted by gougitousakusha
its regulations like this that move American businesses to Asia.
edit on 16-2-2011 by gougitousakusha because: (no reason given)


That's the whole idea, they are purposely creating this fiasco, because America will soon be toast.



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