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Chinese Triads - A Force the CCP has to reckon with

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posted on Feb, 16 2011 @ 10:26 AM
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Currently, many had believe that the illegitimate gov of China - the Chinese Communist Party, will end up ruling the world.

This is far from the truth. The Chinese masses, within and outside China will not allow it. The CCP is making a delicate balance right now to balance its power, and anytime it can topple.

The CCP's nemesis had always been the KouMingTang (KMT) which it battled hard for 20+long years. It only succeeded when the KMT fled to Taiwan island in 1949. Conquered, but not vanquished. They and the dispora of the chinese masses around the world will form a formidible challenge to their rule.

Without money, many of the armies of KMT were forced to resort to underworld means to survive. Extortion, kidnappings, robbery, vices and drugs were the only trade they could survive. Espacially drugs, where the KMT had a long history of heroin manufacturing, left over from the opium trade and sources then avaliable. It was too lucrative to let go. and with its millions of addicts, it helped funded KMT's fight against the commies.

Some of the generals led their troops into Taiwan, Hongkong and Thailand and form triads there, or took over by force of the petty triads then existed in those places. Of the most nortorius of them all, the triad group 14k - 14 Colonels, were exclusively dealing in drugs, based in Hongkong and then slowly branched out into the world by the 60s.

Much of the drugs were grown in Asia and distributed to the world, and the Triads, amongst the various groups that existed on the basis of the survival of the fittest, had grown immensely rich and diversified into many legitimate businesses. It was the only way they can launder their monies as they cant simply place it banks and hope it would not be confisicated.

Today, we know the harmful addictive effects of drugs (including Big Pharma's legal drugs many had been addicted to), and the war against drugs had never ended. Many of the triads had shed their involvement and those legitimate businesses that had cut their links to drugs, prospered even without any further drug money infusion. Many of them are respectable businessmen and leaders of communities.

But as for other vices, the triads are still active in it, commanding millions of chinese youths whom had sworn blood oaths to uphold the principles of its founders - brotherhood, loyalty and honour above all. The triads at least provide a form of employment for the youths, and controlled.

Conflicts were easily settled with the elders called for negotiations. Even the police authorities know that one can either deal effectively with thousands of petty street gangs springing up daily uncontrolled or with a meeting to settle crime offences with the triad headmen of organised gangs.

The CCP are fully aware of the triads activities, their hatred of the commies, more so with millions of innocent elders murdered during the cultural revolution by their own children-the red guards. The CCP fully let the triads have their way, and even encourageous for it believes that the triads are only poisioning their own people with its drug trade, as well as to the world, so long as it is not done in China territory. WIth a world weakened, it would be easier to control and rule.

But unfortunately, drugs did not manage to weaken nations, it only weaken some folks and made many more wealthy, and with that wealth, to accumalate more wealth to fund social causes, such as the retaking back of China.

When Deng Xiao Ping took over the nation, he made many necessary economic reforms, and among them, inviting foriegn capital to infuse the rise of China's industrial power. Among those foreign capitalists were the rich triads. The CCP fear the triads of its millions of youth whom can be a guerilla challenge to its military might, a 5th colum within the chinese that will take down its power.

The triads were welcomed, but in order to prosper in China, the headmen of the triads had to submit to the power and instructions from the CCP. Many did so, on its own terms, that they must be able to profit from the slave labour that the CCP offers. The triads were never afraid of the CCP. Kill one chief, another pops up to take its place. Much worse now as these triads had infected the mainland with greed and corruption that once was never there.

Thus lays the balance the CCP have to maintain. The triads must benefit, if it fails to profit, it is back to gang wars. The masses in the past were happy with $100/mth salaries, but no longer today

Therefore, either the triads or the masses will make the path for push comes to shove situation, and in between lays the CCP. So much as them being the rulers, ha!




posted on Feb, 16 2011 @ 01:24 PM
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Thanks for the informative assessment of some of the power struggles going on it China. You lost your objectivity on the last line, it is silly to think there would be no opposition going on in a nation of a billion people.



posted on Feb, 16 2011 @ 01:46 PM
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Originally posted by kwakakev
Thanks for the informative assessment of some of the power struggles going on it China. You lost your objectivity on the last line, it is silly to think there would be no opposition going on in a nation of a billion people.


Thanks for your reply.

But I had no intention in objectivity with regards to the illegitimate gov that the CCP is.

The country and its masses had suffered enough for 60 years under the misrule of the CCP. And today, it continues to make short term economic gains that will only lead to long term suffering not only for the impoverished masses in China, but for all the world masses.

It had upset the economic balance of the world in terms of labour wages when it is not even a resource rich nation, fully dependent on others resources that will not be hesitant to gain an advantage with higher prices for it. resulting only in faulty products created not worth the resources used or resources wars to doom countries sooner or later.

And worse still, with its short sighted policies of pandering to corporations, it only lay itself to domination by them later on, as USA had today found out. Power may derive from the barrel of a gun, but it is wealth that corrupts the weak. And many humans are weak in the presence of wealth potential, even those holding the guns.

If wealth is not honourably and honestly shared, it will only lead to push comes to shove situations, as Egypt's revolution had proven.
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posted on Feb, 16 2011 @ 02:12 PM
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But I had no intention in objectivity with regards to the illegitimate gov that the CCP is. The country and its masses had suffered enough for 60 years under the misrule of the CCP. And today, it continues to make short term economic gains that will only lead to long term suffering not only for the impoverished masses in China, but for all the world masses.


China is consistently the fastest growing economy (per capita!) in the world for the past 2 decades. Hundreds of millions of people were lifted from poverty. It is expected to reach the status of developed country (think Poland) if current growth will continue in less than two decades. . Their government may not be ideal, but I can guarantee you that every other developing country would be glad to have gov like the Chinese have.
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posted on Feb, 16 2011 @ 03:04 PM
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I know China has a shocking human rights and environmental record. Since the CCP has been in power for 60 years the claim of illegitimate government is not accurate. Like all countries there have been power shifts over the years and is usually a messy process. I know the people have had their protests over the years, but the army have not seen fit to kick out the government yet.

It terms of global resources the impression I am getting is that China is a bit more respectful of the cultures in other lands when undertaking projects and will not try to bankrupt or overthrow a government to get its way. If you know of any cases where they have I would like to hear about it. I know Tibet is a big issue with them, but I see it more as a boarder issue than a resource one.

For China's approach to the economy, they have been very strict savers and have sent a lot of their wealth earnt over seas back home for a very long time. They are also taking a strong stance against corruption with little tolerance for those that break the law. On the global money scene things are changing with more of a push towards better cohesion and stability in the international money markets. China is yet to sign up but discussions are still ongoing. Hopefully some rules for fairer international trading can be found soon as it is complex with many different cost and benefits associated to the options.

As for the influence of corporatism on the world, many governments have been sold out or pressured along the way. I am not sure how the distribution of wealth in China compares to the rest of the world, being a communist system would expect most of the money is with the top 10-15%, kind of like most nations really. It does sound like there has been a rise with the middle class over the 20 - 30 years. The quality of their manufacturing has also improved a lot from its early days and surpassing Japan in some areas from some accounts.

Money is a big problem everywhere, the introduction of free energy devices and continuing progress of technology will be the main game changer. As we become less dependant on our efforts for our basic needs, our slavery to society will change and we become more free to peruse our desires. There is still a lot of issues about control and integrity that will need to be resolved along the way. While China would rather forget some parts of their history, I am not aware of them actually lying about events, are their any examples you know about?

It is a good change to talk about another country on these boards.



posted on Feb, 17 2011 @ 12:45 AM
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Originally posted by Maslo
China is consistently the fastest growing economy (per capita!) in the world for the past 2 decades. Hundreds of millions of people were lifted from poverty. It is expected to reach the status of developed country (think Poland) if current growth will continue in less than two decades. . Their government may not be ideal, but I can guarantee you that every other developing country would be glad to have gov like the Chinese have.
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That is the greatest lie and propaganda comming from the commies, greedy corporations and the UN.

Today in China according to China's State Stats Bureau, less than 5% of the population holds half of entire national savings in banks. The income disparity between the rich and poor is huge and frightening. Needs no guesses who these well commie connected 5% are.

The only ones who were 'elevated' above the poverty lines into the megarich class where the corporate and commie bootlickers. Your average Charlie Chan can only pick the grains left over from harvests to keep his family alive as those super rich whizz by in their continental cars, bought through cheating the masses of their labour.

Worse still, with food and resources prices skyrocketing, $100 a month wages or even $1000 a month will only starve the masses. The only saving grace and hope is that China is a huge agricultural landmass, fully capable of feeding the masses if they were to return to their farmlands, or those that had not been stolen by the corporations yet, to live off the lands.

So much for lifting the masses out of poverty. If the foolish and incompetent CCP gov is an authority that the world needs, then best prepare your tongue to lick their boots or be starved to death.
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posted on Feb, 17 2011 @ 01:11 AM
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Originally posted by kwakakev
While China would rather forget some parts of their history, I am not aware of them actually lying about events, are their any examples you know about?

It is a good change to talk about another country on these boards.



The purpose of my thread was to share and shed more light on this 'phantom' of China created by TPTB to put fear into westerners and many others, with their intention of pitting us all brother against brothers. Our innocent brothers and sisters of the chinese ethnic group only aspires what the rest of us aspires to and not that of the power lusting elites seeking control and domination.

Only the truth can set us free. The illegitimate murderous CCP gov is not China and China is NOT the CCP.

Like many western educated, my initial knowledge of China's Cultural Revolution was abysmal at best, until I read the book by Jung Chang 'Wild Swans'. It was a great book that detailed the rise of that revolution and the horrors that came with it. It eventually led me to seek out the facts of China's history from many other sources, and it stills horrifies me today at what Mao had done to our chinese brothers and sisters.

Even today, the CCP has still not acknowledged its role in the revolution, and even after the beast is dead, had not even dared to exhume the bones of the despot, string it up on market square for all chinese to spit upon but instead revered him.

As long as the current CCP refuses to acknowledge its mistake to evolve and grow, even the chinese will never support them, more so by the dispora chinese whom had fled persecution under Mao. If not for the dispora chinese, very much of chinese culture, traditions and history would have been wiped out.

Triads or not, they are still Han chinese. While some may be evil and rotten to the core, there are many that adhered to the sacred 'Hung Mun' vows, of brotherhood, honour, loyalty and integrity, eschewed by the monks who formed the 1st secret societies to fight against the brutal tyrannical Manchus of Ching Dynasty and the overthrow of it to restore Han rule.

The first Ming dynasty ruler before the Chings was only a monk too, and a capable ruler that expanded and progress the nation far and wide beyond the bamboo curtain the way USA did back in the late 18th century without colonnialism.

Time only awaits the tide of history as the tyrants sweat it out now in the presence of the growing hungry masses
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posted on Feb, 17 2011 @ 01:35 AM
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Every day it will be more diff. to return to farmland.
They seem to have about 2 billions ar of agricultural area and 1 fourth of it seems to be irrigatable.
With an output above 250 kg/ar wheat (or its equivalent) they may be above the level of starvation.

The population will increase. With increasing per capita income certainly increase.
The land will certainly begin to cease its output after a while due to lack of manure and/plus agriculture based on so called modern tech ( give 30 kg. and take 3 tons, hay included) . Scince says the soil can do this for only 80-100 years.
Seas are alarming, Greenpeace warns that no fish will be available within 40 years.

We, in a well controlled way, need to decrease the World population; this should be the lemma.
Alternative of starvation will be war in the other case.

regards,



posted on Feb, 17 2011 @ 01:43 AM
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i will have to come back about this.

how many people do they shoot each year?


not good if you get caught. triads? lol.

but i will imerese myself in depth.



posted on Feb, 17 2011 @ 01:58 AM
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Originally posted by isoger1
Every day it will be more diff. to return to farmland.
They seem to have about 2 billions ar of agricultural area and 1 fourth of it seems to be irrigatable.
With an output above 250 kg/ar wheat (or its equivalent) they may be above the level of starvation.

The population will increase. With increasing per capita income certainly increase.
The land will certainly begin to cease its output after a while due to lack of manure and/plus agriculture based on so called modern tech ( give 30 kg. and take 3 tons, hay included) . Scince says the soil can do this for only 80-100 years.
Seas are alarming, Greenpeace warns that no fish will be available within 40 years.

We, in a well controlled way, need to decrease the World population; this should be the lemma.
Alternative of starvation will be war in the other case.

regards,


Look at what Israel had done to 'unirrigatable' desert lands. They made flowers boom in the deserts through sheer hard work and perseverance, and with flowers, cultivatable crops soon followed. And that was based upon technologies of the 50s.

Today we are far more advance than that, with modern science and tech growing in leaps and bounds. China is a huge untapped agricultural landmass with suitable climate to feed the world several times over if they but start instead of following Mao's 'Great Leap' doctrine of turning ploughshears into war machines or machinations for the corrupted rich elites.

Today we have the ability to clone humans what more mere fishes? That which is avaliable by nature is now possible through man made sciences.

Over population is a myth created by TPTB who wishes to control humanity for their own selfish ends. Too many humans and it becomes beyond their control. But with increase humanity, it would mean more brains and labour to help in our evolution and manifest destiny to the stars. There is enough on Earth to feed all several times over without killing each other but by sharing and fulfilling our common aspirations through civilised means.
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posted on Feb, 17 2011 @ 03:14 AM
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There is a probability.
I would prefer going the sure way though.

sincerely



posted on Feb, 17 2011 @ 04:16 AM
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Over population is a myth created by TPTB who wishes to control humanity for their own selfish ends.


No, it is not. Overpopulation refers to the state when organisms numbers exceeds the carrying capacity of its habitat, such that it affects the organism negatively in some way. This definition is true for many places on Earth. There is more than enough food for everyone in the world and much left, the problem is not production, but distribution, which is included in overpopulation. And food is just one of factors that are considered for determining if a region is overpopulated or not.
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posted on Feb, 17 2011 @ 05:47 AM
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Today in China according to China's State Stats Bureau, less than 5% of the population holds half of entire national savings in banks. The income disparity between the rich and poor is huge and frightening. Needs no guesses who these well commie connected 5% are.


The income inequality in China is about the same as in the US. And in developing country, larger income inequality is to be expected. Low inequalities tend to appear in developed countries where everyone is rich, and in undeveloped ones where everyone is poor (from global viewpoint). Income inequality is beneficial if the rich pull the poor up along with them.

en.wikipedia.org...




The only ones who were 'elevated' above the poverty lines into the megarich class where the corporate and commie bootlickers. Your average Charlie Chan can only pick the grains left over from harvests to keep his family alive as those super rich whizz by in their continental cars, bought through cheating the masses of their labour.


You are wrong. The chinese economic growth has benefited the common man immensely, too.




The only ones who were 'elevated' above the poverty lines into the megarich class where the corporate and commie bootlickers. Your average Charlie Chan can only pick the grains left over from harvests to keep his family alive as those super rich whizz by in their continental cars, bought through cheating the masses of their labour. Worse still, with food and resources prices skyrocketing, $100 a month wages or even $1000 a month will only starve the masses. The only saving grace and hope is that China is a huge agricultural landmass, fully capable of feeding the masses if they were to return to their farmlands, or those that had not been stolen by the corporations yet, to live off the lands. So much for lifting the masses out of poverty. If the foolish and incompetent CCP gov is an authority that the world needs, then best prepare your tongue to lick their boots or be starved to death.


China is not communist for a long time now (or only in name), it is an example of state capitalism. In the past 30 years, number of people living under poverty line in China has decreased from hundreds of millions to about 20 million (while the population increased as a whole), so your claims are not true, the growth certainly helps the common man, too.
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posted on Feb, 17 2011 @ 01:55 PM
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Originally posted by fooks
i will have to come back about this.

how many people do they shoot each year?


not good if you get caught. triads? lol.

but i will imerese myself in depth.



Thank you for your post and your consideration to seek for the truth.

Within repressive China under the CCP, hundreds if not thousands are murdered annually. Anyone who speaks out is often portrayed as 'terrorist', as what the western world is attempting to follow today.

Supposedly 600 'triads' members had been arrested last year in China, but it is a futile game. Majority of the triads are not based on monarchist hereditary system, but election systems by elders based upon the more capable amongst them to lead. All the leaders whom accepted the position are fully aware of such risks and are prepared responsibly for it. Kill one, and another takes his place.

The despicable CCP had often made the family members pay for the bullets that were to be used for the execution of a criminal. But there will be no manufacturing capacity capable for bullets on Earth if every triad member were to be excuted. They number in the billions.

Triads exists when there is a breakdown in societal order. When wealth is not fairly distributed, it will come to push and shove situations where everyone will seek to escape starvation by ALL means.

The pyramid model presented by corporations in the late 40s was an incalcated model foistered upon sleeping masses, on how things work in life. Those at the bottom must support the limited top. If wealth was fairly distributed and shared along the tiers, society will not break down. But as decades went by, it was not so.

It is only one of enslavement.

There are only limited opportunities at the very top, and almost none at the bottom. No human wants to be at the bottom. More so it it entails starvation for himself and his loved ones. No one too, would willingly join triads, engage in illegal activities frowned upon societies. They too are only human and want what we all want - common aspirations in life, with opportunities to do so but denied to them, due to the limited positions at the top.

Thus the road to triads, which gives them at least a form of direction and control by men of integrity and honour sworn to the ideals of 'Hung Mun', borned out during the Age of Enlightenment in the 16th century, to fulfill a long held ethnic Han dream with US constitutional ideals, with recognition and respect better than simple and stupid street corner gangs whom bully old folks and harm young children.

The CCP had attempted to control the triads, and one of its way was the economic carrot - triads were to be allowed in the economic capitalisation of China, BUT leaderships were to be based upon hereditary models and not democratic ones, ingeniously and beneficial to the CCP so that once the head is gone, the group would be leaderless and would be ineffective.

But the triads had never been stupid, and never will be with such inducements. Those that agree, got rich, ran away with their families and left the leaderless angry youths raging in the cities uncontrolled with loyalty to no one, creating headaches and rise in resources in dealing with the many sprouting heads of the hydra dragon that street corner gangs will become.

Good luck on your research journey beyond text based instruction manuals as some had attempted to regurgitate here and move into real life and shared experiences or testimonials. All the best.




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