British man on no-fly list can't leave Canada

British man on no-fly list can

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OTTAWA — A British man says he's stranded in Canada after being denied permission to fly home because he's on the U.S. no-fly list.

Dawood Hepplewhite of Sheffield, England, turned up at Pearson Airport in Toronto on Sunday only to be told by an Air Transat official he couldn't board the plane.

Hepplewhite, 30, divides his time between Sheffield and Toronto, where his Canadian wife Farhia and their three children reside. All five were planning to head back to England for an extended stay.

Airlines that operate from Canada have been known to reject passengers whose names are on

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I am sure the no fly list has some people on there for good reason. But I have been hearing of many instances where random people that should not be on this list end up on it anyways. He is not even going to the USA. It makes me wonder next time I need to fly out of Canada if I will find out that I am on this no fly list.

"Sorry sir, you are on a no fly list, you cannot leave the country"

It can take up to 60 days for this to get sorted out according to the article. It appears the only thing that could have put him on this list was a business trip to Yemen.

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I don't beleive in no fly lists and nazi's. if someone is a danger, then arrest him and escort him, otherwise take a hike!

If you use ATS, you're probably on that 'no fly list'.

These grey areas are wrong, you should not be able to curtail peoples freedom unless you have evidence they have or about to commit a crime. If this is the case they should be prosocuted.

kx

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If you use ATS, you're probably on that 'no fly list'.

I have thought of that, I have flown since I have been on ATS. They have not caught on yet. I don't know how I would react if I was told that I am not allowed to fly out of Canada which is my home country to another country other than USA due to a stupid no fly list that I have no reason being on in the first place.

It's a sad scenario. Does being on the "no fly" list also mean he's on the "no boat" list?

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You are certainly correct on how obvious it is that our freedoms have been systematically stripped away. Luckily most my travel is within Canada so there is not as much hassle. But pretty soon I could eventually see airport style searches in places like bus and train stations for regional travel. I have seen a few instances of this in the American news. Flying now days is such a pain... show up early just to get groped by grumpy slob, and the service sucks.

It's pretty amazing considering all the search procedures they employ from pat downs to x-rays, to strip searches etc, that they can't figure out how to clear someone to board a plane.

The Government is in essence saying that it can't actually secure planes through searching passengers so it makes you wonder why they spend so much money and employ so much technology doing that.

The reality is that the No Fly List is obviously a political tool and not a security tool.

Welcome to the Fourth Reich all heil our glorious and wise leaders.

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The reality is that the No Fly List is obviously a political tool and not a security tool.

That is exactly it. We all saw it coming. When they introduced it, it was there to "help us". It sure did not help Maher Arar. If you have not heard of him and his story feel free to look into it. He was a Canadian sent to Syria for torture by the RCMP due to faulty information from American intelligence. He was tortured in Syria for a couple years then returned to Canada and has established is innocence and campaigned to do his best to make sure this never happens again.

Originally posted by Rockdisjoint
If you use ATS, you're probably on that 'no fly list'.

Good thing I don't fly, minus a few night time experiences. I don't like flying. Also, I think it would be an honor to be on their red tag list. To me thats the honor roll we should all bending over backwards to get on. Cause the other list is one you have to bend over the wrong way to get on!

ok - i have a plann - get my name on the US idiotic no fly list - and catch the next plane to canada

being " forced " to remain in canada seems preferable to my current plight

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I am not a fan of flying either, but on long trips it is the most rational way to go. It appears you are Canadian and that you have also had to deal with the useless (majority) of our airport security and attendants. I feel sorry for this guy. He is probably getting the run around of his life. I bet no one can give him any straight answers. It sounds like he has family out there so at least he has a place to stay and people to be with. But chances are this guy is in it for the long haul stuck dealing with Canadian government pencil pushers who do the minimal amount of required work each day.

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Canada is full at the moment... we are not taking any more applications. It sucks here anyways you don't want to visit.

LOL just kidding. Canada is still decent, but it has been getting too much praise. I don't want to go off topic but it is pretty much the same north of the border minus a few obvious things.

My uncle accidentally got on the American no fly list. Its outrageous the criteria, he travels a lot to South America and Mexico for tech installations, he spends the majority of his time outside of Canada. Since he travels so much they put him on a no fly list.

The American standards are just getting outrageous. I understand that we have to be cooperative with their laws because we are in such close proximity. BUT, this is taking things too far. Flying is becoming pointless, no one can fly anymore. Train and boat is all I can say.

Originally posted by Xiamara
My uncle accidentally got on the American no fly list. Its outrageous the criteria, he travels a lot to South America and Mexico for tech installations, he spends the majority of his time outside of Canada. Since he travels so much they put him on a no fly list.

The American standards are just getting outrageous. I understand that we have to be cooperative with their laws because we are in such close proximity. BUT, this is taking things too far. Flying is becoming pointless, no one can fly anymore. Train and boat is all I can say.

thats all very good until some moron decideds to sink a passenger liner in the middle of the ocean with a bomb or something. These reguations are only going to get tigher.

kx

I can't imagine him not being allowed to leave Canada. What he probably isn't allowed to do is to cross into American airspace (which the plane he was attempting to take would likely will do).

However, that doesn't stop him from taking another route.

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Oh I know, for now boats and trains and personal vehicles seem like the only good transportation. All these terrorist attacks are making me have little faith in humans as a whole. We've polluted out planet, killed animals into extinction and kill our fellow human beings because they have different views.

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My uncle accidentally got on the American no fly list. Its outrageous the criteria

Has he seen if there is a way to get off the list?

I wonder if it is even possible.

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There is, he's off it now its just a pain when ever he goes to fly since he's hassled all the time. You can get off the list but you'll never be a carefree flier.