reply to post by CodyOutlaw
While matters of the occult definitely do deserve much respect when approaching them if one is to stand to actually gain anything, dabbling a little
here or there doesn't always imply instant doom. Sometimes it can be a worthwhile experience to put yourself out there and live on the edge. I think
a good way to look at the situation is to consider black magick and related things like heroin. There are plenty of people who have dabbled in heroin
but do not become addicts. I myself have dabbled in heroin and not become an addict or ruined my life or become a terrible person as a result. Of
course by dabbling, you do set yourself up for negative consequences to follow, because it IS very easy to become hooked or do too much and overdose,
just as it is possible to get yourself over your head with a ritual and do permanent psychic damage or harm yourself physically by not being able to
interpret symbolic gestures encoded in certain texts. If you underestimate the power of heroin it may ruin your life. If you underestimate the power
of the occult it may ruin your life and the lives of others around you. The difference between the two is that there is much more to be gained from
using occult practices correctly than using heroin or most any other drug correctly. The occult can raise your self-awareness to new heights and
change your life for the better, while heroin may temporarily help you if you're in serious pain or if you need some sort of creative catalyst at the
moment (there are definitely better and safer drugs to use for this purpose, however). This might not be the most wholesome metaphor, but the
situations are similar in that there can be serious consequences if you do not approach them with their due respect, but sometimes charging in
recklessly doesn't always end up in disaster and can actually end up being fun and exciting or accomplishing a real means to an end, and aside from
all that you have a new experience under your belt which has enriched your life for better or worse. Enriching your life experience ultimately
provides an opportunity to learn and grow if you so choose. Our time in these bodies in this world of ours is short, the more experiences you have
the more you will come to appreciate that life is a beautiful gift full of wonder and opportunity if you are willing to seek it.
Just look at Chaos magick. Their entire system is basically based off of dabbling; using what you need to when you need to, being adaptive, and
having the will to let go and put yourself out there. Chaos magick is about getting results by any means necessary within whatever bounds of reason
the practitioner sets for himself, and most of them are doing just fine. I'm sure there have been a few who have recklessly dove into a ritual
involving datura use or something along those lines and ended up seriously messing themselves up and paying for it, but on the whole their community
is thriving and many are producing tangible results with few negative consequences at a much quicker pace than the older, more traditional schools do.
A large part of my general approach to the occult was formed through my time in various Chaotic currents, for I still do not adhere to any one set
path but blaze my own. The difference is that I am much more mature than I was back then and have much more self-awareness and respect for all things
in general, which has led me to greater success in my workings.
In short, to all the wanna-be satanists, dabblers, thrill-seekers, and the genuinely curious: use your heads, procede with caution, but know that
stepping into any new endeavor requires some kind of leap of faith and mistakes will be made from time to time, some worse than others but you can't
always get the reward without taking risks. The only way to really know that fire burns is to experience a burn once in your life. You can be told
that it burns all you want, but you will have no actual wisdom or understanding about this until it happens. That's just part of the learning
process. If you do things rationally and keep your wits about you you should be fine. But it definitely DOES pay to know the virtues of wisdom,
temperance, discipline, and respect, just as with any other area of life. You will benefit much more if you are mature about things. Well wishes to
all of you in whatever endeavors you may choose. May you be at one with Buddha in peace.
"Yes there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run, there's still time to change the road you're on..."
Originally posted by TupacShakur
reply to post by theamnesiac
Great answer, thanks.
I'm here to help others who are seeking something more in their lives, and I have quite a bit of experience in the field. It always helps to have a
mentor guide you along the right path. Teachers are there to help with the learning process and ultimately teach you how to learn for yourself, a
mentor is there for support, encouragement, and provide perspective. I am a pretty understanding person, partly because the knowledge I've gained has
given me the ability to understand different viewpoints, empathize with others, and made me very much aware of the duality of all things, giving me
the ability to wrap my head around paradox and be able to use that in a very effective manner (this is something I would really, really like to get
into, but I feel that it would be off-topic and lost on most in this thread, even though it is one of the most important lessons of the occult and the
secret of the philosopher's stone, a secret which funnily enough I've actually stated in earlier in the thread and hinted at in this post. And I also
remember what it was like first starting out. I had to learn everything myself, pursue my own avenues of study and initiate myself into higher states
of enlightenment (I don't necessarily like using that term because it sounds arrogant, but the results I've seen in my life and the vast amount of
illumination I've gained have made me aware that I am progressing at a very fast pace and doing splendidly in my own evolution.) Having the gift of
self-awareness allows me to know my strengths, and I generally will play to them unless venturing into a complete unknown and desire to learn more
about myself by allowing me to set aside my preconceived notions and just take in the experience for what it is (which is why I am more understanding
about dabbling). Because of these things I have become a pretty high adept of the sacred science of life, alchemy, and the philosophy of Thelema, and
can apply the transmutation process in both mundane endeavors and greater spiritual growth and the same goes with Thelema, though with Thelema it is
more the philosophical aspects that apply, however I apply many of Crowley's psychological methods on a daily basis. Tupac, I'm going to send you a
PM, be watching your inbox. I really didn't mean for this post to drag out as long as it did, I can be a wordy mothersucker sometimes but there is
just so much to be said, sorry guys. If just one of you reads it all and can take something from it it's totally worth it. Take care
edit on 16-2-2011 by theamnesiac because: Avoiding double post.