Originally posted by 2manyquestions
I don't claim that there are or aren't 'unknowable' things. I feel that there are things I don't understand, but this doesn't mean that those
same things are 'unknowable'. I accept the fact that sometimes I will encounter situations or things which I will not be able to understand. It
doesn't mean that I will never understand them, but for the time-being I probably won't be able to comprehend them. Someone else looking at those
same things may come to understand them even if I could not.
I'm trying to tell you that I do understand what you experienced. A lot of people have experienced what you experienced, and our cultural beliefs
have been crafted as a result of people having experienced these events, and translating them in their own ways to the people they know and meet. I am
not saying that you didn't experience what you experienced. I am just trying to help you understand what it is that you experienced. It's extremely
difficult to release your own translation of an event long enough to examine an alternate perspective, and I understand just how difficult it is to do
that. However, it's an extremely valuable capacity for one to possess, since there are experiencers and translators, and it's extremely rare for any
one person to be both an experiencer and an accurate translator. The fact that a person's experience becomes integral to their own personal Identity
is what causes the problem in most cases. Especially when the experiencer is just beginning their run, and the whole adventure is new.
Even long-time experiencers can be weak as translators, and many are. These are two very different capabilities, and the difference between the two is
akin to the difference between an artist and that artist's agent. Both are dependent upon one another for a successful career, since the type of
thought process that each employs is almost diametrically opposed to the other. In that case, the artist is pushing from the universe behind his eyes
into the universe before his eyes, whereas the agent is taking from the universe before his eyes into the universe behind his eyes. Expecting one
person to perform both feats is unrealistic, and we can see the impact of how our own arts and entertainment industry has been gravely limited by the
DIY culture that has become the norm within the last decade or so. The really great stuff is hidden, while the really cheap crap is ubiquitous. Maybe
not the best analogy, but I hope you can see the parallels. Translations demands a very detached point of perspective, and must be based on
unaffected reality knowns. Human intellect is simply not a fact-centric form of information, and while it is invaluable as what it is, it's not
useable as a reliable source of fact.
I believe that you had that experience, but I don't believe that that thing was "the All". Check out my overview of the concept of contextual
juxtaposition and the need for a contextual environment for that sort of thing to be possible between two unique entities. That is the bottom line in
this situation, and regardless of how profound it seemed, that whatever-it-is was not being honest with you. And it knows that it wasn't being honest
with you. The informational realm is no less full of threats and scams than the corporeal realm. That said, the informational realm's got good and
decent humans within it as well, and they've been working to clear some of this crap up. The hard part is that the truth isn't as exciting as the
SciFi con jobs generally are.
I'll check it out. If you could, please post a link.
I have a book that I wrote on the larger question of what exists as real in the macro sense of humanity, God, humanity, physical reality, and the
nature of both corporeal and eternal existence. It's being revised at the moment, and I'm waiting on the new proof, so the book is not available for
the time being. There are no unassociated links, since this effort is just being launched, and I'm being extremely careful in how I roll this
information out. I've discovered that there are too many ways that even the most plainly stated assertions can be misunderstood or misrepresented,
and so I've been testing a few of the larger notions on boards like this one to see where the weaknesses are in my presentation. The new edition
proof is on its way, and if you are interested, then check back with me (U2U) and I'll let you know when the new edition will be available. To say
that this book is comprehensive is an understatement. Its like a Chilton's Manual in its specificity, and requires no faith-based acceptance of
If I understand you correctly, you assume that the entity was separate from me. Let's pretend for a moment that my experience was a glimpse
into a Universal truth. I did not feel separate from the consciousness. I felt extremely connected to it and I felt I was a small piece of it. I was
it, fragmented from myself, just like you would be IT, fragmented from yourself. In that case I would have to lie to myself. I don't feel that I
would purposely deceive myself, but then again anything is possible. Is it possible that all of this is a lie? Absolutely. Is it also possible that
maybe this is part of the big truth? I don't see why not. Until we experience physical, permanent death, it's unlikely that we'll learn what the
I understand that this is how it felt, and I can explain why it felt like that. There is what I referred to earlier here as contextual commonality,
and in the case of human beings (which is what that God thingy actually was) this commonality can exist in multiple layers. You can be "one with"
your family members, your office pool, your softball team, your college fraternity, your spouse, your BFF, and even with some guy sitting on a bar
stool next to you that agrees with you that the Yankees suck and should never win another World Series ever again. Within the informational realm
(which is the only realm you could've actually run into this God thingy) contextual commonality takes on a much more profound level of significance,
since the eternal nature of information requires that contextual relationships have definitive impact between associative and disparate unique wholes.
What you felt was the way such a profound level of contextual association feels (as compared to how the corporeal perspective experiences a similar
association) Pretty intense, to say the least. Then again, perception within the informational realm is much more "real" than in the corporeal
realm, since the experience of that perception is not being negatively affected by the sluggishness of information processing and storage by way of
carbon data processors. When you die, you'll discover what I mean about the extremely elevated level of direct experience. That said, the translation
of that experience will still be subject to what you expect of reality, and more importantly, what you refuse to allow as reality. There are a lot of
very lost people within the informational realm. Even worse, there are a lot of people taking advantage of a lot of lost people in that realm where
we're all inevitably headed. My concern is to mitigate this obvious problem with straight up information that folks can turn to if things start to
spin out on them once they've left the corporeal realm.
The thing that partly puzzles me is that so many people claim to have experienced a very similar (alternate) reality. It's very possible that
certain parts of the brain (when stimulated) produce the same effect in all human beings, which would account for the similarity between all these
stories. It may also be possible that there may be some truth to that alternate reality. I wouldn't know where to begin to try to prove it, and that
is why I'll simply share it for what it is, and act accordingly. Despite my inability to determine whether it was truth or lie, it created a positive
effect in my life and helped me to better cope with our world. Does that mean I should continue to believe it despite all evidence to the contrary? Of
course I shouldn't. On the other hand,... if it helps me treat people better and helps me get through difficult times, I don't see too much harm in
it. I'm not out to convert anyone.
People have been experiencing miraculous things for thousands of years, and each of them is absolutely convinced that what they experienced has a much
more expansive application within the corporeal world of human beings. Demon exorcists have been packing Catholic pews for centuries, and in fact have
been the most effective marketing arm of the Vatican over the last 1,000 years. In the 3rd world, they still have a tremendous impact on parish
numbers, and even that show Paranormal State (on A&E) has informal ties to the American Catholic community, promoting the Catholic Church as the go-to
source for all your demon-possession related needs. Is this a harm that is being done? An Evangelical will certainly suggest that it is, but then,
they perform their own magic shows and draw in the faithful through miracle healings and divine interventions, so who are they to squawk about the
Catholics and their circus tent?
But is any of this harmful? Well, if a person passes to the informational realm, and is negatively affected by the rigid expectations that were
drilled into their head while they were in corporeal development, then yeah, it did end up being harmful. Not intentionally harmful, but then we've
all read the news stories of people who prayed over their child as the poor thing died of a twisted bowel or a burst appendix. Intent has nothing to
do with what's harmful and what's beneficial. Net impact is what matters. In the case of a erroneous translation, the history books are packed with
the devastation brought on by reckless translations. "The road to hell is paved with good intentions" is a cliche because, like all cliches, it's
Could my sharing a potential lie cause more harm than good? I don't know. I haven't thought that far ahead. Maybe that's why we have the
world's religions today, because someone somewhere shared their experience with others, and inspired them to create large groups of people who
didn't fully understand. They perverted the experience, added onto it, and next thing you know you've got the Spanish Inquisition, the murder of
thousands (or rather millions) in the name of God,..... something that goes completely against the original experiencer's beliefs. It MUST be felt to
be understood. Reading and talking about it is like describing the sky to a person who spent their entire life being blind. I mean... it's just
The thing is that translation is the most difficult part of the experience. It's also the most important part. Like you said, bad translations have
caused good people to act the part of absolute demons in service of just how bad a translation can become. I do know that there are extremely specific
aspects of reality that all dynamic and intelligent beings are inherently affected by and that they can't overcome. Even the creating author of the
contextual realm that we inhabit is limited by these very clear and constant parameters - one of them being that the author itself cannot physically
exist within the confines of the contextual realm that it created - so forget about meeting God within this realm, it simply cannot possibly happen.
In my book, I do explain how some will eventually get to exist as a community within God's own contextual realm, but it's pretty dense stuff and you
need some intellectual discipline to wade through the technicals involved in proving the logic structure. But it is there, and thoroughly vetted.
So, the next time you visit the informational realm (which, by the way, is doable, even if the specifics of the journey are not exactly what you might
imagine them to be) be aware that it adheres to the same sub-structural parameters that you're already used to, and that the magic is only in your
perception of what's being presented to you. Also, all that exists as intelligent has its own unique agenda, and while some agendas are wonderfully
benevolent, and some are horribly malevolent, some are simply bored and in need of a momentary distraction. I'd take everything I see with a dash of
salt, and simply make a note of it. Certainly share it with others, but be responsible in your role as an experiencer. Not everyone gets to be an
experiencer. It's quite a privilege. Hell, I wish I could've been one.