Understanding the Corporate Shadow Government Made Easy

I couldn't decide which of your threads to post this article in, so I chose this one.

This may be a highly distasteful proposition, but just for a moment, I want you to sit back, and imagine that you are a member of the corporate banking elite. You are a walking talking disease ridden power mad pustule who naively believes himself intellectually superior to the vast majority of humanity and above the inherent laws of conscience, honor, and general good taste. You are a villain in the purest sense, in that you not only do great harm to the world, you actually SEEK to do great harm to the world, if only to benefit yourself and your exclusive circle of “friends”; a clan of degenerate blood thirsty sociopaths with delusions of omnipotence that stalk the night like Armani wearing Chupacabra exsanguinating the joy from poor unsuspecting cultures. You are capable of anything, and sadly, you take “pride” in this fact…

link to source

The article is titled How to Fake an Economic Recovery...

I thought it appropriate, because we are essentially discussing how international financial engineers use their money magic to cast a spell over us and make us believe that the debt that they have created is real.
A debt that is obviously used as a weapon, just as spoken of by John Perkins in the OP.

And we give up all of our entire selves and land to repay this totally FN imaginary debt.

Interesting times indeed.

This might fit ...ats thread started ..www.abovetopsecret.com...

Software will allow 10 personas per user, replete with background , history, supporting details, and cyber presences that are technically, culturally and geographacilly consistent. Individual applications will enable an operator to exercise a number of different online persons from the same workstation and without fear of being discovered by sophisticated adversaries. Personas must be able to appear to originate in nearly any part of the world and can interact through conventional online services and social media platforms. The service includes a user friendly application environment to maximize the user's situational awareness by displaying real-time local information. www.fbo.gov...

Kind of reminds me of that saying ,figures don't lie but liers figure ...peace

Originally posted by Echtelion
Yet another revolting thread with so many comments that adding one doesn't change anything. But in the case that someone's reading...

There are no specific brands of capitalism, as pointed in this video. THIS IS ALL CAPITALISM.

Corporatism, as well as the fusion of State and corporate power are inherent to this capitalist economy, and it emerged from it. It dates back to the John D. Rockefeller who monopolized the oil industry, intertwined it with State politics by corrupting the Republican Party and creating the first "non-non-profit" corporations. Other investment firms like JP Morgan, Oil Dutch, Krupps and Thyssen followed in USA and Europe, going to bed with governments, especially through the war economy of WW 1 and 2, as gradually capitalism took the shape of corporatism, along with giving bankers full power over the monies.

Corporatism is a RESULT of laissez-faire or liberal capitalism. If the US government would have given itself the power to keep bankers and big profiteers away from controlling the economy, this would have been a from of State control of the economy, thus socialism. It is a false belief, unproven by empirical facts, that "free markets" can rule themselves through some sorts of natural laws, as first theorized by Adam Smith. The idea made sense, but it was IDEALISTIC, based upon FAITH, and not on scientific and historical observations of how the economy really works in society.

Marx did that later, actually, and found very different results... that capitalism is a system of organized and legalized crookery, there are no limits to its misdeeds, and only either popular revolts or State control (which he himself defended) could possibly force capitalism into serving more general interests than the mere pockets of the big parasites who profiteers from it. He was partly wrong, especially in his promoting of a socialism that was just a new form of hardcore capitalism, but still a lot closer to reality than the "thinkers" of liberal capitalism.

That video is truthful, in a way, but also manipulative, posted in an even more manipulative manner by an ATS member who is himself openly harboring a pro-imperialistic and FASCIST imagery (mainly in his own avatar). I'll never stop exposing these members with a supremacist, neo-nazi agenda, since they parasite on free speech to cryptically promote their agenda of racial hatred and religious intolerance.

Always question, always criticize.

[color=tan]Ah yes!

good 'ol Marx --- always accusing somebody else of being guilty of what He (and His followers) were (and still are) already guilty of! Its an ohohohoh-old trick!

Perhaps like a poster with no avatar at all accusing somebody with a very good avatar of being guilty of a figment of many imaginations and regular paranoid thinking and abnormal hysterical reactions!

[color=RED]the Xuenchen avatar says many things that many people ARE guilty of!

the Proto avatar says many things that many people WISH they were guilty of!

is it corporatism in bed with gov't, or is it the installed gov'ts in bed with each other and the corporatisms?????

did the bankers and big profiteers install the U.S. gov't???

my take on a "no avatar" poster would indicate some deep psychological deficiencies with a distinct need to remain "cloaked" ... much like some of TPTB!

Always question, always criticize - always look behind the door before YOU open it! there's always three sides to any idea.

some good writing anyway -- MAYBE a star - but I can't decide yet.

edit on 17-2-2011 by xuenchen because: (no reason given)

Originally posted by Echtelion
That video is truthful, in a way, but also manipulative, posted in an even more manipulative manner by an ATS member who is himself openly harboring a pro-imperialistic and FASCIST imagery (mainly in his own avatar). I'll never stop exposing these members with a supremacist, neo-nazi agenda, since they parasite on free speech to cryptically promote their agenda of racial hatred and religious intolerance.

Always question, always criticize.

Let me question and criticize your comments.

The OP's avatar holds the SPQR insignia of Rome:

Senatus Populusque Romanus "The Senate and People of Rome"

SPQR was a catch phrase that marked the end of the reign of Etruscan kings and the beginning of the people's republic. It stood for freedom and the belief that all authority in the new republic came from the people.

How is Proto's use of SPQR in is avatar fascist and imperialistic ???

I'm confused.

Sri Oracle

Originally posted by Echtelion
Yet another revolting thread with so many comments that adding one doesn't change anything. But in the case that someone's reading...

There are no specific brands of capitalism, as pointed in this video. THIS IS ALL CAPITALISM.

Corporatism, as well as the fusion of State and corporate power are inherent to this capitalist economy, and it emerged from it. It dates back to the John D. Rockefeller who monopolized the oil industry, intertwined it with State politics by corrupting the Republican Party and creating the first "non-non-profit" corporations. Other investment firms like JP Morgan, Oil Dutch, Krupps and Thyssen followed in USA and Europe, going to bed with governments, especially through the war economy of WW 1 and 2, as gradually capitalism took the shape of corporatism, along with giving bankers full power over the monies.

Corporatism is a RESULT of laissez-faire or liberal capitalism. If the US government would have given itself the power to keep bankers and big profiteers away from controlling the economy, this would have been a from of State control of the economy, thus socialism. It is a false belief, unproven by empirical facts, that "free markets" can rule themselves through some sorts of natural laws, as first theorized by Adam Smith. The idea made sense, but it was IDEALISTIC, based upon FAITH, and not on scientific and historical observations of how the economy really works in society.

Marx did that later, actually, and found very different results... that capitalism is a system of organized and legalized crookery, there are no limits to its misdeeds, and only either popular revolts or State control (which he himself defended) could possibly force capitalism into serving more general interests than the mere pockets of the big parasites who profiteers from it. He was partly wrong, especially in his promoting of a socialism that was just a new form of hardcore capitalism, but still a lot closer to reality than the "thinkers" of liberal capitalism.

That video is truthful, in a way, but also manipulative, posted in an even more manipulative manner by an ATS member who is himself openly harboring a pro-imperialistic and FASCIST imagery (mainly in his own avatar). I'll never stop exposing these members with a supremacist, neo-nazi agenda, since they parasite on free speech to cryptically promote their agenda of racial hatred and religious intolerance.

Always question, always criticize.

after analyzing your post for the 3rd time, I finally realized how brilliant it is!

Part I.

your first paragraph immediately en-stills doubt and negativity in the reader's mind.

Part II.

the next four paragraphs use a combination of name dropping, history time warping, political mixing bowl theories and general factual confusion.

Part III.

the crucifixion is finalized by nothing less than a 30 caliber nail gun. easily overlooked and missed by most readers.


by creating your own version of a "Hegelian Dialectic" scenario, you successfully convey your message by way of subliminal transmission! perhaps you saw Proto's reference to that in a post BEFORE yours!

you also propose Cognitive Dissonance at the same time, thus creating a confusion dilemma!!!

perhaps you have read Proto's thread on Cognitive Infiltration!

www.abovetopsecret.com...


provocative to say the least!

many posters like myself serve many wild theories and certainly would expect a tennis ball back at twice the speed of light.

you have earned a star on your post!!!!

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


i wish everyone in the world could see that video clip so they could see where these big corporate business's are taking us. we all need to wake up and take action.

reply to post by xuenchen


You make an interesting response xuenchen. I too saw the beauty of the post in question, but it was designed with the ultimate goal of belittling the OP.

Essentially the poster is saying that we do not understand "true capitalism" and that misunderstanding is the root of our problems.
That is a pithy statement equal to stating that freedom is not understood by the masses, so that is why we do not deserve it, or rather, the reply is a metaphorical refrain on how freedom can be used to take freedoms away.

Pure capitalism allows for the wolves to eat the sheep and nothing happens. No rules. But unfortunately this is not how the US Constitution is designed. We have a certain degree of socialism built in to the good ole constitution in order to compensate for the complete and total anarchy of pure capitalism. This is what led to unions, trustbusters, whistleblowers, and white collar crime prosecution. The things that singly created the middle class.

Unfortunately, these areas get paid very little attention as of late.
The money trust is just that. A trust. A monopoly run by very few people.
Unions have been usurped and only represent the hierarchy of those that exist in the power structure of the union.
Whistleblowing is all but illegal.... Sad.

and white collar crime is prosecuted only if a sacrificial lamb is called for.

Hear much about that Enron, Tyco, Worldcom, cases etc... lately?
No, you haven't and you will not.
Want to know why?

All of the evidence was destroyed in tower 7 on 911.

Yes, the post deserves a star, but just as you pointed out, only for very carefully well constructed confusion and disinformation.

Not because of any inherent truths that are there to be understood by the masses.

Originally posted by the2ofusr1
This might fit ...ats thread started ..www.abovetopsecret.com...

Software will allow 10 personas per user, replete with background , history, supporting details, and cyber presences that are technically, culturally and geographacilly consistent. Individual applications will enable an operator to exercise a number of different online persons from the same workstation and without fear of being discovered by sophisticated adversaries. Personas must be able to appear to originate in nearly any part of the world and can interact through conventional online services and social media platforms. The service includes a user friendly application environment to maximize the user's situational awareness by displaying real-time local information. www.fbo.gov...

Kind of reminds me of that saying ,figures don't lie but liers figure ...peace

I think this could and probably will lead to false positives.

many statistics always focus on the wrong things based on the wrong issues!

cognitive infiltrators can easily create a false + or a false - anytime with a simple flash mob!

we here could do the same with a mass-post fury on any other forum too!

the recent post by Echtelion may be an example of a flash attempt that won't work here.

the REAL point of that post was ALMOST missed -- it could be a "test flash".

reply to post by Josephus23


Thanks for making the point clearer.

you are a better writer than i am.

i always appreciate the help and enhancements.

actually, the post was brought to my attention by your first response ....

I wonder if Echtelion will rebutt?

I guess no.


[color=tan]I almost forgot ... STAR for you!

Originally posted by Josephus23

I couldn't decide which of your threads to post this article in, so I chose this one.

This may be a highly distasteful proposition, but just for a moment, I want you to sit back, and imagine that you are a member of the corporate banking elite. You are a walking talking disease ridden power mad pustule who naively believes himself intellectually superior to the vast majority of humanity and above the inherent laws of conscience, honor, and general good taste. You are a villain in the purest sense, in that you not only do great harm to the world, you actually SEEK to do great harm to the world, if only to benefit yourself and your exclusive circle of “friends”; a clan of degenerate blood thirsty sociopaths with delusions of omnipotence that stalk the night like Armani wearing Chupacabra exsanguinating the joy from poor unsuspecting cultures. You are capable of anything, and sadly, you take “pride” in this fact…

link to source

The article is titled How to Fake an Economic Recovery...

I thought it appropriate, because we are essentially discussing how international financial engineers use their money magic to cast a spell over us and make us believe that the debt that they have created is real.
A debt that is obviously used as a weapon, just as spoken of by John Perkins in the OP.

And we give up all of our entire selves and land to repay this totally FN imaginary debt.

Interesting times indeed.

I like this section:

Don’t Count The Unemployed, Discount Them: Jobless people are a real downer and a pesky nuisance because they represent living breathing proof that a recovery is not taking place. By most standards, a recovery in jobs markets can be claimed if meaningful evidence shows a return to unemployment standards (normal unemployment) set before the recession / depression was triggered. If you are a global banker today, however, this will not do. Instead, you simply change the definition of “normal unemployment”. Thus, the debilitating jobless rate which was originally thought of as “bad”, is now thought of as “natural”. You must then publish long-winded white papers using more subjective statistics devoid of common sense while feigning a logical pretense:

This only satisfies a small portion of the populace, though. Next, you must rig the manner in which unemployment is calculated to always overlook certain subsections of jobless. Never count those people who have been unemployed so long that they no longer receive benefits. Always count people who are underemployed as fully employed, even if they are only able to scrape together ten hours a week through part time McSlavery. After this, change the manner in which raw data on unemployment is actually collected.

As it takes many well paid people to mass-up the stats, that in itself is part of the problem!

They work "hard" to keep the public focused on "Somebody Else's" problems, therefore keeping THEIR paychecks flowing! Much like the endless stop-and-go lights at intersections that would do better with a simple cheap red stop sign! (the private contract$ - good government complex you know).

reminds me of the Roman Scribe system that utilized a specific group to "create" and "maintain" the statistics ? maybe they help to "SEEK to do great harm to the world"! and they ARE proud OF IT?

Originally posted by Sri Oracle

Originally posted by Echtelion
That video is truthful, in a way, but also manipulative, posted in an even more manipulative manner by an ATS member who is himself openly harboring a pro-imperialistic and FASCIST imagery (mainly in his own avatar). I'll never stop exposing these members with a supremacist, neo-nazi agenda, since they parasite on free speech to cryptically promote their agenda of racial hatred and religious intolerance.

Always question, always criticize.

Let me question and criticize your comments.

The OP's avatar holds the SPQR insignia of Rome:

Senatus Populusque Romanus "The Senate and People of Rome"

SPQR was a catch phrase that marked the end of the reign of Etruscan kings and the beginning of the people's republic. It stood for freedom and the belief that all authority in the new republic came from the people.

How is Proto's use of SPQR in is avatar fascist and imperialistic ???

I'm confused.

Sri Oracle

edit on 17-2-2011 by Sri Oracle because: (no reason given)

I dig it!

a lot of people don't know what SPQR means.

for all readers:

a multi-language/Latin translator is available here:

www.translation-guide.com...

reply to post by the2ofusr1


This application sums up the strategy of TPTB, overwhelm the populace with disinformation until they simply give up.
Now that computer programs can mimic the cause of one user (or corporation/country), but multiple times, then those who dissent can be simply overwhelmed by avatars relative to people that do not even exist.

I am still a believer in truth. If we employ our critical thinking faculties and learn logical fallacies and how to spot them, then we only need be as diligent as the server using multiple avatars to attack our logic. Go figure.

Good post.

Originally posted by Josephus23
reply to post by the2ofusr1

 

This application sums up the strategy of TPTB, overwhelm the populace with disinformation until they simply give up.
Now that computer programs can mimc the cause of one user (or corporation/country), but multiple times, then those who dissent can be simply overwhelmed by avatars relative to people that do not even exist.

I am still a believer in truth. If we employ our critical thinking faculties and learn logical fallacies and how to spot them, then we only need be as diligent as the server using multiple avatars to attack our logic. Go figure.

Good post.

""This application sums up the strategy of TPTB, overwhelm the populace with disinformation until they simply give up.
Now that computer programs can mimc the cause of one user (or corporation/country), but multiple times, then those who dissent can be simply overwhelmed by avatars relative to people that do not even exist.""

[color=violet]Very much like the ancient Roman "storywriters" that "created" the fictional characters we have all grown to love and worship so much!

did Rome have computers??


[color=tan]I almost forgot again! STAR it!

Originally posted by xuenchen
reply to post by Josephus23

 

Thanks for making the point clearer.

you are a better writer than i am.

i always appreciate the help and enhancements.

actually, the post was brought to my attention by your first response ....

I wonder if Echtelion will rebutt?

I guess no.


[color=tan]I almost forgot ... STAR for you!

edit on 18-2-2011 by xuenchen because: added star for Josephus23

Your accolades are quite humbling, especially coming from you xuenchen.
I am by no means a better writer than yourself. NEVER sell yourself short my friend. You are a true talent.

Believe it or not, it is actually YOUR post that began churning the wheels in my head as to what was the hidden (or not so hidden depending upon your point of view) agenda of the poster in question.

This is why I love ATS (the site, not the all of the mods and admins, not all of the posters, but the design of the site and the incredible amount of effort put into each post by indefatigable researchers such as yourself).
We each learn from the other while building upon a base of common knowledge.

A true communal effort.

Thanks for the thanks, but I learn just as much from you as well my friend, if not more, that is why we seem to interact a good bit.

Cheers my fellow well informed and doggedly intense researcher.

reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux


I must apologize to Jean Paul Zodeaux ....

after re-reading the entire thread again, I see YOU were the first to address the post by Echtelion !

another "mis-fire" by myself! I may in fact be a victim of my own "Cognitive Dissonance"!

a STAR for your post is warranted.

Hey,

I wonder if Echtelion realizes ""Yet another revolting thread with so many comments that adding one doesn't change anything. But in the case that someone's reading... "" was a premature assumption!!

I now yield my remaining time to our friend from the Provincial District of Florida!

reply to post by xuenchen


No apologies are necessary, my friend. As I mentioned in that post to the intrepid, (as in audacious), member who thought it prudent to attack Proto, that it was imprudent to do so when it was quite clear Proto is surrounded by an alliance of members who are fiercely devoted to the same cause. That being the cause of freedom. The disingenuous nature of that members post, and the use of doublespeak to advocate tyranny while attacking those who advocate freedom by calling them "fascists" with a "supremacist neo-nazi agenda" was bound to engender a firm and concerted response from that alliance.

If Echtelion's cause is so just, then there is no need to hide behind doublespeak.

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
I won’t typically use a video to base on opening piece on, but this very short one did such a great job at visually and verbally explaining the way the world works far too often, I felt it would be remiss of me not to share it here on ATS.

Thats not how the world works. Its how the Communist KGB claimed the world works, but thats not how it works. A corporation is a group of people working on a common goal, nothing more, nothing less. The common goal is mostly concerned with utilizing some resource.

Corporations are responsible for the wealth and prosperity of the world as we see it today.

the process the corporations use to rape nations of their resources

Using and Utilizing a resource has nothing to do with "rape". If you pick a fruit from a tree for your survival or enjoyment, I am not saying you are "raping" the tree.

dominate markets

Some will always be quicker and better than others. Competition creates progress. Having to force "equality" creates stagnation.

agitate for wars

Wars are mostly caused by poor and angry people, not by the well-fed. The most wars in the last century were caused by socialists.

consign much of the world to economic poverty and indentured servitude and free range slavery and taxation to bolster their profits and control and pay for it all,

The world is richer than ever before in its History, thanks to Capitalist endeavor. Ultimately, Capitalism benefits all as you can see even the poor walking on pavement, using computers, having access to proper healthcare, etc.

breeding an element we are taught to fear as terrorists.

Terrorism too is not caused by Business-People but by poverty and anger. The solution therefore is prosperity for the whole Planet.

it’s a great little presentation on how the corporations and the shadow government run the world.

Its a misrepresentation of the world, the usual elite-bashing found on conspiracy-sites without any constructive or intelligent focus on solutions whatsoever.

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler

I am curious as to who these individuals are, primarily for two reasons.

1. To seperate them from their resources and wealth so they can't corrupt new systems with either moving forward.

2. To identify just what they do own in the way of resources and hidden wealth so it can be restored fully to the people.

You want to do what all other socialists wanted: Strip those who made the money from their wealth and re-distribute it to the people who did not make the money.

Originally posted by gazzachel


i wish everyone in the world could see that video clip so they could see where these big corporate business's are taking us. we all need to wake up and take action.

The computer you are using right now you have thanks to Corporations...dozens of them.

reply to post by Skyfloating


My friend, there is much that you state that I believe is true and correct. I am, however, compelled to speak to some of your statements, and add my own understanding of the truth, and what I believe to also be correct.

Corporations are responsible for the wealth and prosperity of the world as we see it today.

Corporations are also responsible, or at the very least culpable for the rise of credentialism and the decidedly ant-capitalistic licensing schemes that limit this wealth and prosperity you speak of to either those who have gained permission from the state to flourish and prosper, or those "outlaws" who reject this credentialism and licensing schemes and instead engage in the "black market" which for all intents and purposes is the only real free and open market in existence today.

Using and Utilizing a resource has nothing to do with "rape". If you pick a fruit from a tree for your survival or enjoyment, I am not saying you are "raping" the tree.

This statement has a prima facie truth to it. However, let's not pretend that there is no such thing as corporate malfeasance, and dubious practices where a corporation will indeed use their "common goal" to usurp a nations natural resources while not including that nation in their "common goal". In fact, there is a serious issue of water privatization that exists today that very much involves corporations.

I detest socialism and communism, and I often lament how the word exploit has gone from being a virtue - Heracles and his exploits was once much more known the world over than it is today in this Marxist dominated culture where now people may know of Heracles labors, but not so much about his exploits - to becoming a pejorative. That said, there are certain resources that are truly a commons, such as the water we drink and the air we breathe. If people want to drink their water from plastic bottles bottled by corporations more power to them, but this current push for total privatization of water is most disturbing to say the least.

Some will always be quicker and better than others. Competition creates progress. Having to force "equality" creates stagnation.

In a free and open market this statement is fine with me. It is the disingenuous assertion that today's market place is a free and open market that is not fine with me. Corporations are more - or less depending upon your perspective - than simply coming together to achieve a common goal. Corporations cannot exist without a grant of charter. This makes that corporation a legal artifice. This legal artifice is subject to regulations that the natural person should not be. This is a basic inequality that exists in reality, and yet not so in this unreal market economy so many are trying to survive in today. I'm all for corporations being corporations, and being legal artifices, especially if they are granted limited liability, they most certainly should be regulated. I am not at all for regulating businesses that are not incorporated, and I can see no reason - outside of certain businesses that pose a potential threat to people, i.e. toxic waste disposal, why a private business should be expected to obtain a license in order to do what they have every right to do.

Wars are mostly caused by poor and angry people, not by the well-fed. The most wars in the last century were caused by socialists.

World War I was not caused by poor and angry socialists. I am willing to grant a certain beingness to your assertion regarding World War II given that Nazi Germany was a socialist party, but the current wars in Iraq, and Afghanistan were most assuredly not caused by poor - although maybe angry might apply - socialists. Unless, of course, you want to call the United States a socialist nation, of which I might be inclined to agree with you on that, but would have to first clearly define what we mean by socialists.

The world is richer than ever before in its History, thanks to Capitalist endeavor. Ultimately, Capitalism benefits all as you can see even the poor walking on pavement, using computers, having access to proper healthcare, etc.

Corporatism is not capitalism and should not be mistaken as such. If corporations want to play in a capitalist game the more the merrier, but capitalism necessarily requires massive competition in order to be capitalism. Just to take one specific area of a market, and how corporations can show a tendency towards suppressing competition, consider the current push to have the FDA regulate vitamins in the same way pharmaceuticals are regulated. I did a brief search, (by brief I mean close to an hour)), and I really don't have the time to find the specifics regarding big pharma and the amount they have spent lobbying to have the FDA regulate the vitamin industry, but it is worth offering this link just to demonstrate how much money the pharmaceutical companies put into lobbying.

Terrorism too is not caused by Business-People but by poverty and anger. The solution therefore is prosperity for the whole Planet.

Absolutely! To flourish and prosper! This is the moral responsibility of each and every one of us. I, for one, know of no other economic system, (or theory), other than capitalism that comes even close to facilitating that moral responsibility. However, we do not have a capitalist system today. I don't care if I alone am the one making this claim - and I am not alone in making this claim - and everyone else insists the system we operate under is capitalism it isn't. We do not have a free and unregulated market. We do not have massive competition, and if we did propaganda such as "too big to fail" wouldn't play in Peoria. And we do not have a currency backed by wealth where all can agree upon its value. Without this, we do not have capitalism.

All closed systems tend towards entropy. Capitalism is an open system. A regulated market is a closed system. Licensing schemes create a closed system. Credentialism creates a closed system. Under capitalism a corporation can survive, under corporatism capitalism cannot survive.