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Understanding the Corporate Shadow Government Made Easy

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posted on Feb, 16 2011 @ 10:30 AM
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I was checking out Peter B Collins pod cast to and thought I would pass this along ...Chamber of Commerce Goons Plot Cyberwar with Chamber’s Critics!
peterbcollins.com...

Brad Friedman of Bradblog.com and Kevin Zeese from StoptheChamber.com detail the newly exposed plan to disrupt and discredit critics of the US Chamber of Commerce. This is quite a story–cyber security experts who have worked for our government and the powerful DC law firm, Hunton & Williams (H & W)–are exposed plotting against Chamber critics and WikiLeaks supporters via the release of thousands of emails by hackers known as Anonymous. “Team Themis” is comprised of 3 cyber security firms– Berico, Palantir and HBGary Federal; the emails and attachments included detailed info on Friedman and Salon.com writer Glenn Greenwald, along with plans to improperly collect Facebook data on them and others, and to plant false information with WikiLeaks and others that could be used to discredit them. While the Chamber claims it didn’t know about the efforts, the emails suggest that the Chamber retained H & W to collect bids for the disinformation campaign, and the vendors were planning to charge $2 million per month for managing the Chamber’s sophisticated attack plans....peace




posted on Feb, 16 2011 @ 10:49 AM
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That's some great information on the U.S. Chamber of Commerce thanks for sharing that my friend.

One of the things about Organizations like that and even Governments, they do hire slick multi media advertising firms to word and structure messages and campaigns for and against things, in a very manipulative and dishonest process of trying to shape opinion and lead people to desired conclusions.

Word games in a war of words.

Thanks my friend, for sharing that.



posted on Feb, 16 2011 @ 11:38 AM
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Great thread....
I think it would be of benefit to educate people of how they use Hegleian dialectic to get the masses to do that which they are naturally opposed to doing.
The psyche war is going on for our brains right now!
It is only education that can defeat their machinations.As education is easy to transmit person tp person and it is intraaceable and unstoppable.
We need very badly to draw together every person who has any worries over this stuff and educate their asses off!
There is no need for the corporate stranglehold on our lives. they have become the nut s who run the institution!
They are very plainly psychopathic personalities.
Sane people everywhere must stand up to this mass marketing of insanity.



posted on Feb, 16 2011 @ 01:25 PM
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I am planning a thread on the Hegelian Dialect in the near future and a few other incorporated elements of New World Order Thinking.

Look for it on April 25th, where I will unviel it all.

Thanks for posting friend.



posted on Feb, 16 2011 @ 01:38 PM
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On the topic of the Chamber of Commerce, they also own NIST. So any hit list will include anyone that uses their brain.



posted on Feb, 16 2011 @ 01:54 PM
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Yet another revolting thread with so many comments that adding one doesn't change anything. But in the case that someone's reading...

There are no specific brands of capitalism, as pointed in this video. THIS IS ALL CAPITALISM.

Corporatism, as well as the fusion of State and corporate power are inherent to this capitalist economy, and it emerged from it. It dates back to the John D. Rockefeller who monopolized the oil industry, intertwined it with State politics by corrupting the Republican Party and creating the first "non-non-profit" corporations. Other investment firms like JP Morgan, Oil Dutch, Krupps and Thyssen followed in USA and Europe, going to bed with governments, especially through the war economy of WW 1 and 2, as gradually capitalism took the shape of corporatism, along with giving bankers full power over the monies.

Corporatism is a RESULT of laissez-faire or liberal capitalism. If the US government would have given itself the power to keep bankers and big profiteers away from controlling the economy, this would have been a from of State control of the economy, thus socialism. It is a false belief, unproven by empirical facts, that "free markets" can rule themselves through some sorts of natural laws, as first theorized by Adam Smith. The idea made sense, but it was IDEALISTIC, based upon FAITH, and not on scientific and historical observations of how the economy really works in society.

Marx did that later, actually, and found very different results... that capitalism is a system of organized and legalized crookery, there are no limits to its misdeeds, and only either popular revolts or State control (which he himself defended) could possibly force capitalism into serving more general interests than the mere pockets of the big parasites who profiteers from it. He was partly wrong, especially in his promoting of a socialism that was just a new form of hardcore capitalism, but still a lot closer to reality than the "thinkers" of liberal capitalism.

That video is truthful, in a way, but also manipulative, posted in an even more manipulative manner by an ATS member who is himself openly harboring a pro-imperialistic and FASCIST imagery (mainly in his own avatar). I'll never stop exposing these members with a supremacist, neo-nazi agenda, since they parasite on free speech to cryptically promote their agenda of racial hatred and religious intolerance.

Always question, always criticize.



posted on Feb, 16 2011 @ 02:01 PM
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Originally posted by kwakakev
On the topic of the Chamber of Commerce, they also own NIST. So any hit list will include anyone that uses their brain.


Using one's brain is what it's all about. Tis a pity more people don't challenge theirs.

Putting the information together and getting it out there hopefully will.

Thanks for posting.



posted on Feb, 16 2011 @ 02:01 PM
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Veni Vidi didici.

It seems to me corporations have sped up our technological progress and given us some great toys but are too dangerous a tool to carry on using, they generate to much greed and power in the hands of unelected individuals and families prone to making selfish long term plans and callous short term plans, both can and do untold damage around the world to the people and the planet, the consequences of which are to dangerous to risk.

Has their power already got too great to push them from power can enough people be persuaded to push them or the need to do so, I don't see them not wielding their power to ensure their continuation unless they get scared of the consequences themselves.

Great thread PT



posted on Feb, 16 2011 @ 02:01 PM
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I'll never stop exposing these members with a supremacist, neo-nazi agenda, since they parasite on free speech to cryptically promote their agenda of racial hatred and religious intolerance.


Where in the world do you find the member who is displaying these attributes?


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posted on Feb, 16 2011 @ 03:01 PM
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Corporatism, as well as the fusion of State and corporate power are inherent to this capitalist economy, and it emerged from it.


Ignorance is not much tolerated in this site, and propagandists are easily flushed out. The corporation has nothing at all to do with capitalism and predates Smithonian capitalism by several hundred years, and that is just the commercial corporation, corporations such as the Catholic Church are even older.


The word "corporation" derives from corpus, the Latin word for body, or a "body of people." Entities which carried on business and were the subjects of legal rights were found in ancient Rome, and the Maurya Empire in ancient India.[8] In medieval Europe, churches became incorporated, as did local governments, such as the Pope and the City of London Corporation. The point was that the incorporation would survive longer than the lives of any particular member, existing in perpetuity. The alleged oldest commercial corporation in the world, the Stora Kopparberg mining community in Falun, Sweden, obtained a charter from King Magnus Eriksson in 1347. Many European nations chartered corporations to lead colonial ventures, such as the Dutch East India Company or the Hudson's Bay Company, and these corporations came to play a large part in the history of corporate colonialism.





It dates back to the John D. Rockefeller who monopolized the oil industry, intertwined it with State politics by corrupting the Republican Party and creating the first "non-non-profit" corporations.


As I have just demonstrated, and quite easily, you are presuming knowledge you do not have, and are doing so because of your own personal bias, which appears, and ironically so, to incorporate anti-capitalistic rhetoric, the same kind of rhetoric corporations love. Both you and the corporate structure hate capitalism, and you are either a willing tool of the corporation, or a useful idiot. Either way, your nonsense won't play in this thread.




Corporatism is a RESULT of laissez-faire or liberal capitalism.


On the one hand, you pretend to be against the government that got into bed with corporation, but villains always tip their hands, and you are no different. Do you even know what laissez-faire means? Do you honestly believe people are so stupid that all you have to do is enter a thread where alliances made towards freedom are so strong that thus far you are the only one foolish enough to challenge that alliance, and just post your nonsense and people will just nod their heads in agreement and thank the Lord for wise souls such as yourself? Ignorance is no excuse.




If the US government would have given itself the power to keep bankers and big profiteers away from controlling the economy, this would have been a from of State control of the economy, thus socialism.


Continuing to tip your hand, you now reveal your own lawlessness. You lament the fact that the U.S. government did not go further in its usurpation of power - a political power that belongs to the people - and you hope to re-write history by pretending that the U.S. government did not use the power they did usurp to facilitate the banking situation we have today. Are you under the impression that the banks just pulled a fast one on government and the people and created the Federal Reserve without the government and the people knowing it? No my ignorant friend, the Federal Reserve exists because the government that usurped the U.S. made it so, and in a large part because the people, largely ignorant as yourself, went along with it. Indeed, socialist Eugene Debs, in 1912, after several unsuccessful Presidential bids, had his greatest success running for President garnering nearly a million votes, just to demonstrate how socialist minded a good portion of the population was in 1912, a year before the creation of the Federal Reserve.




It is a false belief, unproven by empirical facts, that "free markets" can rule themselves through some sorts of natural laws, as first theorized by Adam Smith.


A.) There are no such thing as false beliefs - unless one is pretending to believe something they actually do not. B.) It is appropriate that you put quotation marks around free markets since there is no point in history when any nation ever had a free market, which is why there is no empirical evidence to support the theory. It has never been tested. You, my ignorant friend, get this weeks Jean Paul Zodeaux "So Duh" award.




The idea made sense, but it was IDEALISTIC, based upon FAITH, and not on scientific and historical observations of how the economy really works in society.


Had the Founders of the United States fashioned the Constitution based upon CYNICISM and NO FAITH due to historical observations, it is unlikely they would have argued in defense of freedom. Had the Wright Brothers based their inventions on CYNICISM and NO FAITH duet to historical observations, we most likely would not have airplanes, jets, and space shuttles. Had Galileo based his observations of the universe on CYNICISM and NO FAITH, and in particular gone along with the historical observations that were shoved down his throat, it is likely we would still believe in a geocentric universe instead of the heliocentric universe he advocated...but what the hell, ignorance seems to be something you are quite comfortable with.




Marx did that later, actually, and found very different results... that capitalism is a system of organized and legalized crookery, there are no limits to its misdeeds, and only either popular revolts or State control (which he himself defended) could possibly force capitalism into serving more general interests than the mere pockets of the big parasites who profiteers from it.


Marx advocated legal plunder, willfully ignoring the contribution an investor makes to the equation, willfully ignoring that this investor risks the entire investment so that the labor can get paid upfront, and then willfully ignores how the product labor makes gets sold, in order to come to the conclusion that it is labor alone that is the means of production. This legal plunder is crookery, plain and simple, and self evidently so to anyone who has ever earned their way based upon their own effort.




He was partly wrong, especially in his promoting of a socialism that was just a new form of hardcore capitalism, but still a lot closer to reality than the "thinkers" of liberal capitalism.


Here it is wholly inappropriate that you place quotation marks around thinkers, especially given that you so roundly eschew critical thought in favor of knee jerk reaction.




That video is truthful, in a way, but also manipulative, posted in an even more manipulative manner by an ATS member who is himself openly harboring a pro-imperialistic and FASCIST imagery (mainly in his own avatar). I'll never stop exposing these members with a supremacist, neo-nazi agenda, since they parasite on free speech to cryptically promote their agenda of racial hatred and religious intolerance.


Yep...the ignoramuses of the world have never been very good at discerning irony. It is not their most tragic flaw, but it is a tragic flaw none-the-less.




Always question, always criticize.


In spite of what you may have heard, there are stupid questions, and criticizing for the sake of criticizing is no substitute for critical thought.



posted on Feb, 16 2011 @ 03:11 PM
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Pink Floyd was so on point.



posted on Feb, 16 2011 @ 03:26 PM
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Originally posted by Romans 10:9
Pink Floyd was so on point.


You know it's amazing how many of the 60's and 70's bands more or less hit the nail on the head during that drop out tune in hippie period.

In a lot of ways you have to be on the outside looking in to see some of this stuff.

If you ask Jackflap real nice, he will dig up a cool video to post!




posted on Feb, 16 2011 @ 04:11 PM
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No need to ask at all. This is definitely the song that comes to mind after watching that video in the opening post!




posted on Feb, 16 2011 @ 06:17 PM
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Originally posted by Scaledown
Maybe i have been conditioned too well by the powers running my country, but i honestly cannot see any future where sheople will actually stand up and say "you know what i'm sick of this crap we need new leadership" Our puppeteers have the population so perfectly supplicated that there is no ongoing underlying major anger issue (aka Egypt) that would make the people suddenly snap for change. Aside from like others have said pole shift, loss of electricity etc, there will be no changes. I feel sad because of this, i love my country and the people but i hate the people running the show, they spend money like it's monopoly money and are not accountable for anything that happens, thus mediocrity rules



revolutions, protests and the like are ALWAYS mass-assembled by organizers with agendas.

its never the "people".

the "protesters" are both paid employees with crowds of commoners who "believe" in the cause and effect.

usually it is a "trickle-down" folly starting at the top and going down to the people on the street.

the "organizers" are professional infiltrators and middlemen well paid with money and promises to promote the high goals of the "corporatism" hierarchy - TPTB.

its a no holds barred event filled with every trick in the book to spook enough people into believing in some "necessary" change in a government, religion or any other way of life.

the "show" is for the masses and for the sheeple in other territories who may be the next targets!

the "deposed" leaders and politicians are merely "playing along" and doing what they are told to do, the same way they did when it was "their turn" to "topple" their predecessors.

the "script" is dictated and monitored by the unseen, unknown directors much like a Hollywood movie.

the "end" always produces a different style of commerce and finance usually to satisfy the new "business needs" agendas. it is a money-funnel cleaning exercise.

today we are witnessing a classic Roman style takeover perhaps so large it may be the biggest since the ancient Rome expansions we all study so relentlessly on this forum.

today's MSM and communication levels are prime for fast moving agendas to be executed and then forgotten by most.

the tactics and results date back to pre-Babylonian commerce.

the same groups have always been involved.


GREAT info and opinions on this thread --- Flag and many stars!



posted on Feb, 16 2011 @ 06:26 PM
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Thanks for joining in my friend, some great addition as always, and it's nice to think that under no circumstances can the Powers That Be trick us into revolting.

We will only revolt if we feel like it, when we feel like it, and how we feel like it, and under no circumstances will we tolerate any guerillas in the swimming pools or casinos!

There is a real wave of revolution fever being spurned on by the U.S. and one should be suspicious about that when they start calling in citizens in numerous countries at once to protest.

Being a nation is very much like being a parent, you can't encourage a child to talk back and defy one parent and not expect them to do the same to the other.

So it almost is like they are trying to teach us to revolt.

It's always best to fully assess a situation before responding and I think people in Egypt and elsewhere will find out that they are going from bad to worse in the hasty leaderless path that they have embarked on.

I hope for their sakes I am wrong.

Quite a little attack on Rome today too, wiped out completely, then tossed on the dustpile of ancient and lost civilizations before being returned to it's rightful place and fully restored.

The war of all against all, continues to heat up.

Thanks for posting.



posted on Feb, 16 2011 @ 08:22 PM
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Originally posted by Echtelion
Yet another revolting thread with so many comments that adding one doesn't change anything. But in the case that someone's reading...

That video is truthful, in a way, but also manipulative, posted in an even more manipulative manner by an ATS member who is himself openly harboring a pro-imperialistic and FASCIST imagery (mainly in his own avatar). I'll never stop exposing these members with a supremacist, neo-nazi agenda, since they parasite on free speech to cryptically promote their agenda of racial hatred and religious intolerance.

Always question, always criticize.


It seems as if you are harboring some personal issues with this thread, the author, and others of the same ilk.

I can understand disagreeing with someone, and believe it or not, I thoroughly enjoy reading a well thought and presented critique.
Unfortunately, I do not see any original ideas with substance or value In your post.

I solely see reactive comments that appeal to emotion, argue with the old ad hominem, and you make a hasty generalization.
When an idea is presented, I can take one logical fallacy, and even two if some type of valid point is being made, but three logical fallacies in a post that seems more so designed to disrupt rather than inform is poor form mate.

I could be totally wrong.
I could have completely misunderstood your reply, but if I did, then would you please take the time to explain your rationale for your reply in this thread to me?



posted on Feb, 16 2011 @ 08:35 PM
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John Francis Hylan (April 20, 1868 – January 12, 1936), nicknamed "Red Mike", was the Mayor of New York City from 1918 to 1925.



The real menace of our Republic is the invisible government, which like a giant octopus sprawls its slimy legs over our cities, states and nation. To depart from mere generalizations, let me say that at the head of this octopus are the Rockefeller-Standard Oil interests and a small group of powerful banking houses generally referred to as the international bankers. The little coterie of powerful international bankers virtually run the United States government for their own selfish purposes. They practically control both parties, write political platforms, make catspaws of party leaders, use the leading men of private organizations, and resort to every device to place in nomination for high public office only such candidates as will be amenable to the dictates of corrupt big business.


en.wikipedia.org...

There is more to this quote but I didn't want to place a giant block of external text here. He goes on to say that these people seize every institution that was created for public protection. Now this is way back as far as 1936. That blew my mind. You may have already seen this quote and more than likely know of even better ones but this one I had to post. Edited to add this one too!


The real rulers in Washington are invisible, and exercise power from behind the scenes. Felix Frankfurter, Associate Justice of the United States Supreme Court. (November 15, 1882 – February 22, 1965)


en.wikipedia.org...
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posted on Feb, 16 2011 @ 08:37 PM
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I totally missed that comment, from the poster you were responding too.

I never knew you could sum up someone's positions entirely (or as they put it mostly by their avatar) but as they put it always question always criticize doesn't leave much room for learning anything.

All too often people do take a throw the baby out with the bathwater approach and in a lot of ways that is what undid the Flower Children and Hippies in the 60's and 70's. The hairstyles, clothes and speech, not to mention the drug use and sometimes promiscuity ended up turning mainstream society off to their overall positive message of peace and love, instead of hate and war.

Plenty of hate and war to go around, and anger too, and that sure is a huge part of the problem as so many people seem to just want to emotionally vent, on anyone and anything, rather than think, learn and contribute something positive.

Often we see people reel and say someone is religiously intollerant if that questioning or criticism is aimed at Christianity only to see that same person disparage Muslims or Jews. All the while advocating endless war against anyone and everyone that doesn't fit into their paticular and sometimes bizarre group think.

You wouldn't think it would be so hard for people to find some common ground, to come together on some all important fundamental common issues like the corrupt banking system, the corporate monopolies, the corruptions within government and the political parties, but for some it seems like they would rather ride the ship down in flames than responsibly and cordially try to save it.

I still remain convinced what brings out such anger in so many people is hitting that raw nerve, the one you know that deep down they know what they are espousing and believing and preaching is wrong, but they hope if they just put enough rancor and vitriol into the argument others will submit and let them have their way.

I wonder what will happen to such people who believe might really makes right, should a true democratic world ever come to pass where everyone has a say that is heard and considered and not just the people with the most guns, or the loudest voices, or the most anger.



posted on Feb, 16 2011 @ 10:55 PM
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I have to wonder if second hand religion isn't more dangerous then second hand tobacco smoke.
In such a case if standing against religious intolerance is religious intolerance then the drug is causing the disease...
and of course is therfore contrindicated as a solution to the reality we find ourselves sharing.
thank god

A good example of a distraction


Control the language and history and education and thought from a central apparatus...
the foundations are a major arm of this control
we have Carnegie libraries in our little towns for example
Obamas family came up through the foundation route

PS
Oh yeah, no one one liners about good post, cool thread, enjoyed that...so I won't...
looking forward to the hegelian topic, I think that is a key brick in the wall
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posted on Feb, 16 2011 @ 11:18 PM
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You know my friend this is a very hard concept for a lot of people to wrap their minds around. Many think it unthinkable and improbable. I have been trying to explain it abit on another thread about why none of the Wall Street Bankers have gone to jail or been prosecuted. But most people simply can't believe the Shadow Government exists.

I might not myself if it weren't for the fact that I met a number of them, and witnessed first hand how they operate and corrupt, manipulate and control things.

In short they have the money, and not just the money but things like the media outlets, and mega law firms, and industries, transportation companies, banks and raw natural resources to first select who they want to run for office. Fund them and get them the favorable media exposure they will need, and importantly because they own and control most everything, the talking points, issues and agendas that politicians then campaign on.

They field the cantidates on the left, and the field them on the right.

Most importantly though is because they control the office of the President they through that control who will get appointed to the most important department heads of government. They can and do control who gets appointed as Federal Judges in the same way, and in the rare case they can't quash an investigation if exposed by simply getting that enforcement agencies department head to sit on it, if some one down the line under their command gets whiff of them, they can always make sure the Judge loses what ever critical evidence would be needed to ever convict them after asking to review it in his chambers.

Their corporations decide what they need to merge, grow bigger, squeeze out competition, and their law firms write up the actual legislation to have a lobbyist pass along to one of the many key committee chairs or members they own in the Congress and Senate.

They just basically turn around and pretend that they wrote it. They can make it rain pennies from heaven on who ever they need to in order to get the critical aide they want when they need it at getting what they want pushed through, they can ruthelessly crush anyone who gets in the way, or tries to expose them.

They can have that same department head of the Justice Department they had appointed pull the most obscure law in the book, to make a case to railroad you through a prosecution in a court room by a Judge they had appointed too.

Simply put these guys are the cat's meow, the people who have all the angles, no compunction, and believe all is fair in love and war, where winning is everything and losing is just not on the menu.

Some of the things they do, many of the things they do, are so beyond the comprehension of any average ordinary person struggling to lead a moral and decent law abiding life, they couldn't even imagine anyone would do such things in their wildest dreams, let alone anyone could get away with it, let alone the most respected names and philanthropists in high society.

Dealing with these guys is well, going to be a bit problematic.

Where there is a will though there is a way, but essentially it's going to take every bit as committed and unorthodox approach to wrest their control over government the infrastructure and the resources as they themselves use in corrupting, controling and obtaining all these things.

The truth is they can do it, therefore it can be done, therefore we can do it to, to get rid of them, but step number one is getting people to accept that this is their system, these people exist, they really do the things that they do, they really do them without compunction, they don't do them out of desperation, they do them because they can and like too, and they will keep on, keep on doing them until people finally accept that and come to terms with it and challenge them head on.

These are the guys that this video is really about. They have names, they have real faces, they congregate in real places, own and control a lot of real things and go home to real homes at night, to kiss their dogs, pat their wives on the head, and hug their kids.



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