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Originally posted by Darce
reply to post by Malcram
Take a quick look of the picture of Logan "moments before she was attacked". Does that croud behind her look like a mob of of the plainclothes policemen and hired thugs? It doesn't to me.
Now that being said, I understand where you're coming from, and in all fair judgement we should wait until Logan is willing to give her account of what happened, if she chooses to do so.
Let's just reserve judgement and use some common sense for now. We can't know who was behind this, but I agree with the OP in that it seems unlikely she could have been kidnapped all of a sudden by a mob of 200 pro-mubarak thugs in the midst of a large croud of 'peaceful demonstrators'. I'm not saying it's impossible, just unlikely.
If the rapists and attackers were not hired thugs or police, then it surely does shine a forboding light on the motivations of the revolution as a whole, does it not? After all, they were stopped by women (and 20 soldiers), does that not suggest they were not hired brutes, but the common pupulace? It does to me. 200 hired brutes would be unstoppable, no?
Let's all just pray for Lara Logan in her recovery for now and make our final judgements when the facts are straight. I repect her and her reporting so much, this saddens me. Hired thugs, police, or civilians, those who did this can only be describes as "animals". It's not right to hijack this in order to spout personal hatred, certainly, but how can you not hate those who would do such a thing?edit on 15-2-2011 by Darce because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by thePharaoh
THEY WERE MOST LIKELY AMERICAN BACKED, MUBARAK CRIMINALS, WHO HAVE BEEN DOING THIS TO THE EGYPTIAN PEOPLE, UNDER ORDERS FROM LARA LOGANS COUNTRY....FOR YEARS. HAVE A WORD WITH YOUR GOV. FIRST!
AND...DO NOT SEND LAME MEN WITH LAME WOMEN TO COVER A REVOLUTION.
LASTLEY....THIS COULD VERY WELL BE PROPAGANDA...I HAVE SEEN A STRING OF US REPORTERS TRYING TO TURN THE REVOLUTION INTO A DIRTY ONE....KEEP THE ISSUE OF REVOLUTION JUST THAT..A REVOLUTION...TO THESE COREOGRAPHERD SIDE ACTS I SAY ....I SAY # OFF AND GROW UP TO ALL FOREIGN ANXIOUS TWATS WHO DONT KNOW WHEN TO BACK OFF AND DONT SEND DUMB REPORTERS TO COVER SUCH SERIOUS STORIES...
TAHYA MISR....TOZ TO THE PROPAGANDA SNAKESedit on 16-2-2011 by thePharaoh because: (no reason given)
Last month, Egyptian police has ordered a massive clampdown on harassment, arresting 550 youth in one day. A similar operation took place this week, during Eid al Adha, where 50 youth were arrested. Elijah Zarwan, an Egyptian blogger and human rights worker disagrees with the repressive, and somewhat arbitrary, methods:
Originally posted by burdman30ott6
reply to post by conspiracy nut
Take from that whatever you will, but it tells me that women were safer in Egypt before all of this Western governemnt driven, media manipulated uprising took place.
Originally posted by Malcram
reply to post by wrkn4livn
Rape is constantly used as part of a political agenda, around the world. Even men arresred and tortured by the Egyptian police were threatened with rape as an intimidation tool. Its used extensively as a political tool of intimidation in certain african countries. So yes, its entirely possible it was politically motivated, and nothing to specifically to do with 'Islam'.
And dont twist my words please. I never said it was pro-Mubarak people who committed this crime. I said we DONT KNOW who did it or why. I just said that it makes infinitely more sense that it might be Mubaraks anti media criminals. Its you and the OP who makes assumptions: that it was the pro-democracy protesters who did this and that it was because they were Muslims.edit on 15-2-2011 by Malcram because: (no reason given)
In Tahrir Square, the site of 18 days of rebellion that ousted Mubarak, women were from disparate groups, veiled and not, Christian and Muslim, Westernized and traditional. They were as outspoken as men, leading chants and banging iron rods on power poles to sound the alert of approaching pro-regime marchers. It was remarkable in a country where until 2000 a wife couldn’t leave the country without her husband’s permission and until 1999 a rapist could avoid prison by marrying his victim...
Originally posted by robyn
reply to post by robyn
Are you aware that over 90% of the women in Egypt have undergone female circumcision? The practice continues unabated despite laws prohibiting it.
I don't understand our naivety as Americans believing that everyone in the world is JUST LIKE US sharing the same values and sense of morality. I do support others' right to believe as they do except when their beliefs include that I or anyone else should be MURDERED for their beliefs.
I hope Lara recovers quickly though I suspect emotionally that will be a very hard road.
Al-Azhar Supreme Council of Islamic Research, the highest religious authority in Egypt, issued a statement saying FGM/C has no basis in core Islamic law or any of its partial provisions and that it is harmful and should not be practised."
Coptic Pope Shenouda, the leader of Egypt's minority Christian community, said that neither the Qur'an nor the Bible demand or mention female circumcision
A Greek papyrus from 163 B.C. mentions both boys and girls in Egypt undergoing circumcision and it is widely accepted to have originated in Egypt and the Nile valley at the time of the Pharaohs. Evidence from mummies has shown both Type I and Type III FGC present
Originally posted by Malcram
You clearly don't know anything anout Egypt. You've got an imagined generic oppressive fantasy in your mind, as if all muslim countries were the same, rather than the facts. Women don't have to wear the headscarf to escape rape in Egypt, thats absurd. If that were in any way true, then both the western and arabic women reporters for all the news agencies, including Al Jazeera would have all worn scarves, if only to show respect. They didn't, because it's not necessary.
Educate yourself before you make such ignorant and bigoted comments in future.edit on 15-2-2011 by Malcram because: (no reason given)
Nihad Al Qumsan heads the Egyptian Center for Women’s Rights. A 2008 survey the center carried out showed that about 80 percent of women in Egypt have faced some form of harassment.
NIHAD AL QUMSAN: “When they’re speaking generally, men will say that harassment is the result of women wearing provocative clothes. But when they filled out our survey they admitted they also harass women who are veiled. The men try to find an excuse for their behaviour, but most women in Egypt are veiled. And anyway a woman is free to wear what she wants.”
"It's incredibly sad that this has happened, and it's something that the spirit of Tahrir and the spirit of revolution was resolutely against," Ahdaf Soueif, an author who spent a great deal of time in Tahrir Square, told the Guardian. "Women in the square were rejoicing that they felt freedom on the streets of Cairo for the first time, and [this is] definitely something that we want to stamp out alongside corruption and all the other social ills that have befallen Egypt during Mubarak's regime."
Mahmoud Salem, a well known Egyptian blogger, was one of many of the January 25 activists to express outrage. "Lara Logan, what happened to you was reprehensible, & I hope u don't judge the egyptian people or Tahrir because of it," he tweeted under his moniker Sandmonkey.
Some activists have suggested that the assault may have been the work of pro-Mubarak gangs, whose use of sexual harassment as an intimidation tactic was extensively documented during the revolution, as was their targeting of foreign reporters.
But the investigation and prosecution of sexual harassment cases is already low in Egypt, and the detention of those responsible amid the country's current institutional turmoil appears unlikely.
The harassment of women on the streets has long been a major issue in Egyptian society, although efforts to curb the problem have often met resistance from government officials.
Scepticism about the extent of the harassment extended as far as the former first lady, Suzanne Mubarak, who once accused the media of exaggerating the problem to tarnish the country's reputation.
A survey by the independent Egyptian Centre for Women's Rights in 2008, however, revealed that 83% of Egyptian women and 98% of foreign women had been exposed to some form of sexual harassment, including groping, verbal abuse, stalking and indecent exposure.
Contrary to popular opinion, the incidents did not appear to be linked to the woman's style of dress, as three-quarters of victims had been veiled at the time.
Started by: Mohamed Safi
Sexual harassment is one of the ugliest forms of mental & physical abuse. The effects of which can be long lasting and severely harmful to the mental health of those who suffer this abuse. It remains to be one of the last standing tarnishing factors on the reuptation of Egypt
With our new found "freedom" from an intrinsically opressive system, it is now high time to call for a legal end to this sickening phenomenon.Time to take this revolutionary Tahrir spirit to the streets of the nation to quell the very notion of sexual harassment. Time to make this an offence severely punishable by law.
When, as a nation, we called to "bring down the system", this is the exact sort of thing we were calling for. Not just the dismantling of an ailing, opressive political system, but also the vile, rotten systems of thought and action within a few, perverted Egyptians.
It is safe to say that after witnessing the pure spirit of Tahrir, this sickening phenomenon represents only a few terrible seeds in society. Seeds that have turned into devilish shrubs, that must now be weeded out, for good. True Egyptians were protecting their sisters, wives, daughters and ladies they don't even know in the fight to earn our freedom. The Egyptians that stood up to bullets, tear gas, knives, swords, thugs, sniper fire and petrol bombs can and will stand against sexual harassment
Please add your voice to this peitition, pledging to not accept and to take action against any forms of sexual harasssment. In addition, it will also serve as an apology of the people to each and every single person that has suffered from this. Most recently CBS reporter Lara Logan.
"60 Minutes" correspondent Lara Logan was repeatedly sexually assaulted by thugs yelling, "Jew! Jew!" as she covered the chaotic fall of Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak in Cairo's main square Friday, CBS and sources said yesterday.
Read more: www.nypost.com...
A network source told The Post that her attackers were screaming, "Jew! Jew!" during the assault. And the day before, Logan had told Esquire.com that Egyptian soldiers hassling her and her crew had accused them of "being Israeli spies." Logan is not Jewish.
In Friday's attack, she was separated from her colleagues and attacked for between 20 to 30 minutes, The Wall Street Journal said.
Her injuries were described to The Post as "serious."
CBS went public with the incident only after it became clear that other media outlets were on to it, sources said.
"A call came in from The [Associated Press]" seeking information, a TV-industry source told The Post. "They knew she had been attacked, and they had details. CBS decided to get in front of the story."
Most network higher-ups didn't even know how brutal the sexual assault was until a few minutes before the statement went out.
Tragically, reporter Lara Logan didn’t need to go to a region of political unrest to be the target of vicious personal attacks and misogyny. She got it right here at home.
To my eyes, this is highly suspicious and fits right in with the notion that the harassment of women prior to Mubarak's fall was a coordinated campaign.