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Getting Our "Facts" About Nibiru Straight

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posted on Feb, 15 2011 @ 09:58 AM
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I'm getting sick and tired of every new celestial object being deemed Nibiru. It seems like the descriptions of Nibiru change every day to fit into every new discovery, then when something new comes along the description changes once again. So, here's the challenge to all you Nibiru believers, come up with a set description based on your research so we can stop devoting thread after thread to objects that don't fit the description. It's time for you to get your story straight instead of shoehorning every object in space into your beliefs.




posted on Feb, 15 2011 @ 10:05 AM
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um from whence does this rant come? have i missed something? nibiru is still the same that brown dwarf planet that is very difficult to locate seeing as its a dark planet.

the latest thing that nasa has found on the outskirts of our solar system thats 4 times the size of venus...IS NOT nibiru....just sayin



posted on Feb, 15 2011 @ 10:06 AM
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Well said good sir! I am so sick of this stuff, if the world ends it ends, only difference is I won't be at happy hour that night.



posted on Feb, 15 2011 @ 10:07 AM
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There are no "facts" about Nibiru...


I feel like this thread is like those cards that say "How do you keep an idiot busy for an hour....flip over card.....How do you keep an idiot busy for an hour....flip over card".


Sometimes people need some tough love huh? S&F for you

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posted on Feb, 15 2011 @ 10:07 AM
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Im not even bothering about nibiru, if it comes it comes.



posted on Feb, 15 2011 @ 10:09 AM
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King Anu of Nibiru sent his dynastic heir, Enlil, to Earth to rule it and check Ea's claim of vast gold to send back to Nibiru to save that planet's atmosphere.

King Anu

Narrative Resumes


Father Anu, Enlil beamed from Earth to Nibiru, Affirm, by the law of succession, that I, your son by your own half-sister Antu, precede and have authority over Ea, though, he, your eldest son, be.

Come to Earth, Enlil begged Anu, Make Enki obey me.

Enlil warned Anu he'd have to deal with Alalu too: He yells he's King of Earth and Nibiru.


So, 416, 000 years ago, Anu flew to Earth.

Anu flies from Nibiru to Earth


On Earth, he put three straws in his right hand, held them out to Ea and Enlil: Whoever draws the long straw rules Nibiru. Draw the short straw and you command Earth. Middle-sized straw: run mining and sea transport.

"By their lots the tasks they divided; Anu to Nibiru to return, its ruler on the throne to remain.

"The Edin [Mesopotamia] to Enlil was allotted, to be Lord of Command, more settlements to establish, of the skyships and their heros charge to take. Of all the lands until they the bar of the seas encounter, the leader to be.

"To Ea the seas and the oceans as his domain were granted, lands beyond the bar of the waters by him to be governed, in the Abzu [southeastern Africa] to be the master, with ingenuity the gold to procure." [Sitchin, Z., 2002, Lost Book of Enki, pages 92 -93]. Enlil’d already displaced by Enlil as Anu’s successor on Nibiru, now Enlil, “this rival, this robber of Ea’s birthright” commanded him on Earth.

But Enlil’s first act conciliated Ea. Enlil forever gave Eridu (the settlement Ea’d created on the Persian Gulf) to Ea. Enlil bestowed the title, EN.KI, EARTH’S LORD, on Ea [Sitchin, Z., 1985, The Wars of Gods and Men, page 81]

I get its a skycraft for Transport. Used by Anu.

Anu definition---
In Sumerian mythology and later for Assyrians and Babylonians, Anu (also An; (from Sumerian *An 𒀭 = sky, heaven)) was a sky-god, the god of heaven, lord of constellations, king of gods, spirits and demons, and dwelt in the highest heavenly regions. ...

www.enkispeaks.com...&Mining_2.html
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posted on Feb, 15 2011 @ 10:14 AM
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It can't be a brown dwarf and a planet...



posted on Feb, 15 2011 @ 10:18 AM
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I also dont think its is a craft used to crash into EA. As far as 3 dimension goes I dont think it is always within the 3d plane.. Comes an goes.



posted on Feb, 15 2011 @ 10:21 AM
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If you want info here you go. there is 100 references to Nibiru throughout history here on this Google Timeline(another great search engine I just discovered). If someone wants to start breaking it down point by point here you go.

Nibiru Timeline

All this info you could want...
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posted on Feb, 15 2011 @ 10:24 AM
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Nibiru is references as the 'Destroyer' or the 'Red planet' in Sumerian history. For anyone that wants to know about Nibiru I suggest you look it up on youtube, and find one of the many series on the Sumerian's(not single video's, go for the 2/4/5/etc part series as they are packed with more information).



posted on Feb, 15 2011 @ 10:26 AM
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What is a brown dwarf planet? Also the report said it was 4 times the size of Jupiter not 4 times the size of Venus; there's a very large difference between the two



posted on Feb, 15 2011 @ 10:27 AM
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Correct me if I am wrong, but the whole point of ATS is to encourage discussion, which includes opinions, does it not? It seems to me that this thread has been created to attempt to stop some of those opinions........

I don't subscribe to the 'Nibiru' theory, but I won't stand idly by while bullies suppress others opinions.



posted on Feb, 15 2011 @ 10:31 AM
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It stems from how many different descriptions have been given of Nibiru in the past week alone. It has been identified as Comet Elenin and the hypothesized new planet. It has been called a brown dwarf, a planet multiple times larger than Jupiter, and a planet about the size of Mars. Pretty much the number of descriptions I have heard in the past week means that Nibiru could be any celestial object.



posted on Feb, 15 2011 @ 10:31 AM
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Well it's been called many things but I believe it might create a paradox if it were a brown dwarf planet...unless it literately was a brown coloured dwarf (Pluto sized) planet.

You see a brown dwarf is a star, and a star can't be a planet.



posted on Feb, 15 2011 @ 10:35 AM
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Originally posted by Chadwickus
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It can't be a brown dwarf and a planet...




Exactly.

Gas giants hold some features that make them somehow similar to Brown Dwarfs... They might then be refered to as Gas Dwarfs, but not "Brown Dwarf Planets" as stated.

en.wikipedia.org...

Interesting post btw - lets see where we go. (It's not that Im a Nibiru-denier, it's more like Nibiru is denying itself?)


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posted on Feb, 15 2011 @ 10:35 AM
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quit saying EA. that's doesnt mean anything to anyone. To me it mean Electronic Arts

and Nibiru isn't real. Nothing with an orbit that will bring it close to earth has been seen and it would have by now. Tyche or Nemesis or whatever this "supposed" celestial body is, is just that. No different than Eris, Makemake or even Sedna except that it's supposedly bigger by far. It would just be a huge planet way too far out in the Oort cloud to matter

If this planet exists it's not coming anywhere near Earth and it's no more a spaceship than a dog turd is



posted on Feb, 15 2011 @ 10:36 AM
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ATS is also about denying ignorance. Plenty of people on here believe in Nibiru based on the work of Sitchin, amongst others, and I assume that they give descriptions of what Nibiru would look like. Yet, despite these descriptions based on research people seem to have no trouble sticking the Nibiru label on any newly discovered object in space. So, what I am trying to achieve with this thread is getting rid of all of the ignorant descriptions that have been produced over the years and come up with the one that is most accurate. Therefore, the goal of this thread is to deny ignorance.



posted on Feb, 15 2011 @ 10:40 AM
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It's actual origin stems from the original creation story written in stone some 6,000 years ago... The ancient tale of Nibiru's Celestial Battle is actually scientifically sophisticated, and current advances in astronomy have recently corroborated certain aspects of the Sumerian cosmogony: (below)

Ancient Sumerian texts indicate that the Earth (" Tiamat ") was struck by a large planet, which moved it into its present orbit, and created the Moon and the Asteroid Belt. In his books, The Twelfth Planet and The Cosmic Code, Zecharia Sitchin outlines this "celestial battle" as described in the Babylonian text called Enuma elish. The planet "Marduk" (the Sumerian " Nibiru "), as it came into the solar system on its clockwise elliptical course, struck Tiamat, which was moving in its ordained counterclockwise orbit. One of Marduk's satellites struck Tiamat first, followed by two more of Marduk's moons. Then Marduk itself, an enormous planetary body, struck Tiamat, smashing one half of the planet into pieces, which became the Earth's Moon and the "Great Band" (Asteroid Belt). The other half of the planet, which was struck by a smaller moon of Marduk, was moved into a new orbit, along with a chunk of material which became its moon. The new planet was then called "KI," meaning "cleaved one." The Earth's original moons were dispersed, many changing the direction of their orbits.

the planet where God the creator resides is referred to in the Bible as Olamin, the plural of Olam. The meaning of "olam" in the ancient world was a measure of a really long time, specifically related to the span of time between the periodic disappearance and reappearance of the planet Marduk/Nibiru on its vast 3,600 year elliptical orbit. The domain of Olamin was described as a kingdom which encompasses many worlds. According to Robert Temple, in The Sirius Mystery, the Dogon tribe of Mali call this planet "the egg of the world," and they say it is the origin of all things. They say of this planet that it is "the center of all things and without its movement no other star could hold its course." They say it is made of a heavy metallic compound called "sagala." The Sumerians also wrote that this planetary "god," Nibiru, "remade our solar system and remakes the Earth on its near passages."

The March 16, 1999 announcement by NASA at the 30th Lunar and Planetary Science Conference in Houston of the theory of the origin of Earth's Moon as a catastrophic collision with a "Mars-size planet."

Hubble's recent discovery of 18 (at last count) stars, and numerous Jupiter-size planets (last count 9) with highly elliptical orbits and retrograde (counterclockwise) orbits. Such orbits are now understood to be quite the norm in nearby solar systems, although they are considered peculiar in our own.
The 1994 announcement by NASA of a one-mile wide moon orbiting the 33-mile wide asteroid Ida, which follows the expectation that if a planetary body in this solar system exploded (or collided), the debris will be gravitationally bound in orbits around a primary body.

The discovery of water, atmosphere and perhaps previous life on Mars, the Moon and Europa.

Why there is a strange gravitational "pull" on Uranus, Neptune and Pluto, which indicates there is another body of significant size beyond it...

Alan Alford writes that the discovery of new planets in the last two hundred years owes more to mathematics than to bigger telescopes. Mathematical irregularities in the orbits of the outer planets, in particular, strange wobbles and gravitational anomalies noted in the orbits of Uranus, Neptune and Pluto, have prompted astronomers over the past hundred years to search for a large planetary body in the outer solar system. Based on mathematical evidence, astronomers have been so sure of the reality of this planet that they named it Planet X. The name stands for the tenth planet, as well as the mathematical symbol for an unknown quantity.

On June 17, 1982, a NASA press release from Ames Research Center officially recognized the possibility of "some kind of mystery object" beyond the outermost planets. Various press releases around this time confirmed that scientists were indeed looking for the infamous Planet X. For instance, Astronomy magazine published an article in December of 1981 entitled "Search for the Tenth Planet," and another article in October of 1982 entitled "Searching for a Tenth Planet." In addition, Newsweek covered the story of Planet X on June 28, 1982 in an article entitled "Does the Sun Have a Dark Companion?" This article implied that the tenth planet actually orbits a two sun (binary star) system, but we cannot see the other sun because it is a "dark" star. The article stated:
"A 'dark companion' could produce the unseen force that seems to tug at Uranus and Neptune, speeding them up at one point in their orbits and holding them back as they pass. The best bet is a dark star orbiting at least 50 billion miles beyond Pluto. It is most likely either a brown dwarf, or a neutron star. Others suggest it is a tenth planet since a companion star would tug at the other planets, not just Uranus and Neptune."
The Washington Post covered the story of Planet X on the front page on December 31, 1983 called "Mystery Heavenly Body Discovered." This story reported that the Infrared Astronomical Satellite (IRAS) detected heat from an object about fifty billion miles away. A report of an interview with chief scientist Gerry Neugebauer from Jet Propulsion Laboratories appeared in the story. The article stated:
"A heavenly body possibly as large as the giant planet Jupiter and possibly so close to Earth that it would be part of this solar system has been found in the direction of the constellation Orion by an orbiting telescope aboard the U.S. infrared astronomical satellite. 'All I can tell you is that we don't know what it is,' said Gerry Neugebauer, chief IRAS scientist."
The Post article went on to explain that this mysterious object has never been seen by optical telescopes on Earth or in space, but its infrared heat signature was detected twice by IRAS as it scanned the northern sky between January and November of 1983. The second infrared observation of the body, which is so cold it casts no light, noted that the body appeared not to have moved in six months. This suggested that the object is not a comet, since it probably would have moved. The article also explained that the infrared telescope aboard IRAS, which is able to detect very cold objects, calculated that the heavenly body was so cold that its temperature is about 459 F below zero.
Astronomers suggested it was a "giant gaseous planet, as large as Jupiter," and is so close that "it would be the nearest heavenly body to Earth beyond the outermost planet Pluto." This would make it part of our solar system. The article explained that there had been some speculation that the object "might be moving toward Earth." However, Cal Tech's Neugebauer was careful to "douse that idea with as much cold water as I can." He pronounced with certainty that this object "is not incoming mail." The US News World Report on September 10, 1984 published an article called "Planet X - Is it Really Out There?" This article had the following to say about Planet X:
"Shrouded from the sun's light, mysteriously tugging at the orbits of Uranus and Neptune, is an unseen force that astronomers suspect may be Planet X - a 10th resident of the Earth's celestial neighborhood. Last year, the infrared astronomical satellite (IRAS), circling in a polar orbit 560 miles from the Earth, detected heat from an object about 50 billion miles away that is now the subject of intense speculation."
The article went on to say that scientists are hopeful that the Pioneer 10 and 11 space probes will locate the object, which they noted was possibly a "brown dwarf," a protostar that never got hot enough to become a star. Others astronomers, however, argue that the object is a "dark, gaseous mass that is slowly evolving into a planet." The article quoted Neugebauer as stating: "If we can show that our solar system is still creating planets, we'll know that it's happening around other stars, too." Contrary to this information, according to the ancient Sumerian texts, our solar system is not still creating planets, and this planet has been with us all along. It would appear that the media spin being put on Planet X is a clear attempt to call it something else besides "incoming mail."

The media was quiet on the subject of Planet X for the next few years. Finally, an article by R. Harrington in The Astronomical Journal dated October 1988 supplied the details of continuing mathematical modeling of this planet. The article suggested the mysterious planet was three to four times the size of Earth, and its position was three times further from the Sun than Pluto. Mathematical modeling also suggested that Planet X had an extreme elliptical orbit of 30 degrees. A NASA/ARC press release published in Newsweek on July 13, 1987 disclosed that "an eccentric 10th planet may - or may not - be orbiting the Sun." The article stated that NASA research scientist John Anderson "has a hunch Planet X is out there, though nowhere near the other nine." The article concluded, "if he is right, two of the most intriguing puzzles of space science might be solved: what caused mysterious irregularities in the orbits of Uranus and Neptune during the 19th Century? And what killed off the dinosaurs 26 million years ago."

The reference to killing off the dinosaurs seems to indicate that something more is known about this planet than NASA is letting on. Is this in fact a reference to the planet Nibiru of ancient infamy, the planet which, according to ancient sources, did in fact strike the Earth (Tiamat) in ancient times, and gave us a moon for a thank you? Regardless of what NASA really knows, silence is golden, and, for the most part, mum was the word on the issue of Planet X during the 1990s. Instead, scientific journals began to debunk the issue of a tenth solar system planet. In the 1990s, news stories began to dwell on "runaway planets" and "rebel planets" discovered in other solar systems. The issue of Planet X has now become entirely befuddled with recent discoveries of 18 nearby stars with Jupiter-class planets orbiting them (last count as of October, 1999). (see astron.berkeley.edu) Locating any new developments regarding a tenth solar system planet is akin to finding a needle in a haystack, since it's difficult to know which "new planet" they are talking about. For instance, an October 23, 1996 AP article entitled "New rebel planet found outside the solar system," disclosed the following:
A new planet that breaks all the rules about how and where planets form has been identified in orbit of a twin star about 70 light years from Earth in a constellation commonly known as the Northern Cross. The new planet has a roller coaster like orbit that swoops down close to its central star and then swings far out into frigid fringes, following a strange egg-shaped orbit that is unlike that of any other known planet.
Thus, the issue of Planet X became lost in the information shuffle. Due to the Hubble space probe, many distant galaxies, stars, planets and brown dwarfs are suddenly being discovered all at once. This situation affords NASA the opportunity to attempt to avoid the societal chaos that will surely ensue once everybody realizes that a sizable planet somewhere out there is actually destined to circle our own sun in the next couple of years (2003 according to one web site). After all, who would bother to go to work, go to school, pay their bills, play the stock market, be a loyal, taxpaying John and Jane "Doe," if they thought the end of civilization was near?



posted on Feb, 15 2011 @ 10:40 AM
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First who do you think you are telling me what to quit saying. You didnt make me. Second YOUR OPINION is YOUR OPINION. What you state is as much a fact as what I state (you got proof its not real). You feel its fake non existant I feel its real and has been recorded in ancient times and is being watched in current times..
SO in as nice a way I can say it DIG YOUR SELF IM NOT YOUR CHILD.



posted on Feb, 15 2011 @ 10:41 AM
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Fair enough, but I think you'll find that the majority of those that claim everything is Nibiru are either new members or trolls. Those that have done more research, at least by what I have seen, seem to stick to the original story.



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