Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker Readies National Guard Against Unions

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posted on Feb, 15 2011 @ 03:15 PM
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Just wanted to update whats happening here localy.....................




(TheJournalTimes.com)-MADISON - As the committee meeting continued upstairs, thousands of people swarmed the Capitol and filled the entire bottom floor. Additional people stood on second and third floor joining in chants.

The chants switched between "kill the bill," and "What's disgusting? Union busting."

But protestors don't seem happy with just repealing the bill. Chants of "recall Walker" also fill the Capitol.

One thing is clear, people are not happy and they are doing everything they can to try to get their point across.

www.journaltimes.com...












posted on Feb, 15 2011 @ 03:18 PM
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Enjoy your $4.25 an hour then. And don't bitch if you get fired for asking for vacation time, or have to take care of your sick child, or because your boss is having a bad day.

Don't bitch about any of that; that's what those of us in unions are for - to put our necks out for stupid pissants who act against their own self-interest because the bosses scare them into it.
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posted on Feb, 15 2011 @ 04:34 PM
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Unions are good for one thing: Getting the most amount of pay for the least amount of work.

Which sounds really good... unless you own a business. When you own a business, your main concern is how to get the most work (productivity) for the least amount of pay. In otherwords, to turn a profit. That is a dirty word to unions, don't you think?

PROFIT.

Unions would rather that the business owner make LESS profit so that the WORKERS get greater PAY.

Why would ANYBODY open a business if that's the case?

And if you are so inclined to open a business under those circumstances, please let everyone here at ATS know! (Because from the sounds of it, you'd have a tsunami of applications



posted on Feb, 15 2011 @ 04:56 PM
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Haven't you been reading anything anyone is posting here? Stop quoting the same old rehtoric of the banker elitists, it is nothing but drivil.

How hard do you work for a living? Do you sit in an office behind a big desk an tell people what to do? What is your worth? Who are you to judge anyone? Oh, thats right - you are just like the rest of us... a nobody.



Unions are good for one thing: Getting the most amount of pay for the least amount of work.


Yeah, go up to some union construction worker who has been using his muscles all day long so he can put food on his plate for his family and tell him that. I bet 'said' worker would show you exactly how lazy his muscles really are. What propaganda and crap.



posted on Feb, 15 2011 @ 05:09 PM
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Or go up to any communications (IT) workers who frantically scrambled to join and form unions after the fact, when offshoring started happening and they realized they had absolutely no control over their fates standing alone...an individual at a time. Employers of course will hate unions. That's a natural state of affairs. But that fact in no way negates a union's purpose, effectiveness, or value to the average worker. The unions aren't out to "get them," but just to make sure there is fair and equitable representation against what, in many cases, are giant corporations with the most clever accountants, best legal contortionists, and supportive governments behind them that money can buy.



posted on Feb, 15 2011 @ 06:30 PM
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100% agreed!

You got it. I wish I was in an IT union before the dot com's fell (although I know it wouldn't have given me job security - I just remember all of the office and corporate evils that was happening). Although I do like what I am doing now, it pays the bills and keeps me fit - I still have my love for computers and technology.

I keep telling people on this thread that what is happening in Wis. has nothing to do with Unions - these problems stem from government and banks. Not one of these anti-union people have anything to say about that... hmmm. Perhaps they didn't know? That would be a shock unto itself since they keep calling union members 'stupid' and 'lazy'.

I wonder who is "stupid" for not being educated about the facts?
I wonder who is "lazy" for not doing their homework?

Only the people who throw the stones at their own glass houses.

I don't mean to come off as crass as them - forgive me. It just hits home when people scream and yell about unions and how much we get paid when they never look at their own worth. Who is anyone to judge me or anyone else out there that is trying to support himself and his family? These same people who moan and cry about unions - where are they when these corporate executives take millions a year in bonuses? Where are they when these execs kill the 401k's and pensions of common people? Nowhere.

peace.



posted on Feb, 15 2011 @ 07:04 PM
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The people who bought the lines about unions being bad are the same ones who bought the BS about certain factions of the government being good for them....the Joe the Plumbers, if you will, thinking that any of what they're buying into will ever mean a thing to them. Sometimes I swear people first sacrifice and overlook a lot about the big picture of what they're supporting overall and then maybe they just get sucked into actually supporting it all without really thinking about what it means. Hell I don't know anymore.



posted on Feb, 15 2011 @ 07:12 PM
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Originally posted by nivekronnoco
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By turning down the stimulus money....2300 jobs were eliminated....
He's a facist...trying to destroy the middle class....


You mean the same stimulus that is close to being further announced as QE III ? The stimulus doesn't appear to be working, unemployment shows little change and the debt is bulging at the equator. Sure there may have been 2300 jobs, and thats a positive, but its difficult to say where that could have gone. All politicians are losers I do however find it rare to see one actually return money as he did. He is facing the same problems almost everyone other state is going or is currently facing. Tough choices and decisions are needed and they are indeed going to be extremely painful.

brill



posted on Feb, 15 2011 @ 07:17 PM
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Originally posted by exile1981
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No that business was breaking the law by forcing employees to work unpaid over time. In the case of what I was saying is that employees should expect to work 8 hours and get paid for the time they work, if the welders worked 8.5 hours they got paid full wage for 8 hours and 1.5 times for the next half hour so it was like getting paid for 8.75 hours.

During my year of hell the Union took to following home the non union guys and harrassing them at home and demanding they sign forms authorizing the union to represent them to management. We where a small shop with 5 welders and 4 other staff, it's not like we were a big fish but they didn't like the idea of a non-union shop and though as a little guy they could pressure us easier.



O.K., now we're getting some where. The problem you experienced was caused by both, yourself and the union. I call it; Lack of creative negotiations.

There will always be some workers who are slower than others, so eight hours of work for one may not equal eight hours of work for the other. (speaking solely in terms of production) When my union was faced with this production vs. time debate, we proposed a piece-meal contract where workers were paid based on production and not on an hourly basis. Under the new agreement, highly productive gangs would often earn 12 hrs. pay in 8 hrs. time. Now I'm sure your going to say that the union was screwing the employer under this agreement but let me explain how he benefited from it before you do.

Our pay was based on a production rate of 55 metric tons per hour being loaded onboard the ship. When a highly productive gang loaded 660 tons of cargo in 8 hrs. they got paid for 12 hrs. but the employer did not have to pay any overtime. Only the 8 hrs. actually worked counted towards the 40 hr. straight time week. The employer got better production and the workers got to go home to their families at a decent hour. On top of that, this process made it much easier for the employer to bid his jobs on a turn-key basis as he knew his cost per ton up front.

More often than not, when good minds meet at the table during collective bargaining negotiations and do so in "Good Faith," they can overcome almost any obstacle facing business.



posted on Feb, 15 2011 @ 07:20 PM
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I think it's a lot like the AT&T guy on the Tmobile commercial. When ask why his customer had to pay more for less, he replied; "It Makes Sense If You Don't Think About It."



posted on Feb, 15 2011 @ 07:25 PM
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Originally posted by CholmondleyWarner

Originally posted by rebeldog
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a nationwide strike is the only thing that will work. everyone just stay home. the elites can't fathom fending for themselves. they pay evreyone to do their work. to feed them, clean for them, cure them, etc..


now you 2 guys are one of the smart ones--its amazing isnt it how afraid the masses are to DO just what you 2 guys have stated here. At least i know a couple of other like minded people are out their.

I laugh at scott walker , and they replaced feingold with this ass--and i laugh because the people affected with this union breaking manuver are the same ones who voted for him. HA HA HAAA !-




Too true my friend. If people go out onto the streets and riot the government may enforce martial law and people will undoubtedly be killed. The riots themselves wil almost certainly be provoked by agent provacateurs, secreted within the crowd to cause trouble. If we simply all just stayed in our homes and refused to play their corrupt game there is little they can do about it...



posted on Feb, 15 2011 @ 07:31 PM
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I just got back from an ongoing protest,here in my city.
They are at our Unified school districts office,lots of students and teachers out and about,

Thought i'd share some what I saw...........











posted on Feb, 15 2011 @ 07:33 PM
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Originally posted by CholmondleyWarner

Originally posted by rebeldog
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a nationwide strike is the only thing that will work. everyone just stay home. the elites can't fathom fending for themselves. they pay evreyone to do their work. to feed them, clean for them, cure them, etc..

You two guys are like minded like me-- --f-it, soon with all the job losses in wisconsin we will be home anyhow.
I am a carpenter and the un-employment rate with us is almost 35%-friend in sheet metal union said his un-employment for his trade as stated by their union is approching 60%-wow!
SCOTT WALKER, if you listened to him in the debates with feingold, came across as a child, ign
orant and still he got voted in because these tea party and republicans wanted fiscal change. NOW THE DUMMIES WILL GET IT, ha ha ha ha !!!





Too true my friend. If people go out onto the streets and riot the government may enforce martial law and people will undoubtedly be killed. The riots themselves wil almost certainly be provoked by agent provacateurs, secreted within the crowd to cause trouble. If we simply all just stayed in our homes and refused to play their corrupt game there is little they can do about it...



posted on Feb, 15 2011 @ 07:44 PM
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This move by the Wisconsin governor

REEKS OF FASCISM




One of the first moves of the Nazi party was to destroy and assimilate unions and other 'socialist' groups. Please read:
fcit.usf.edu...


The first Nazi attack was upon the two larger unions. On April 21, 1933 an order not even in the name of the Government, but of the Nazi Party was issued by the conspirator Robert Ley as "Chief of Staff of the political organization of the NSDAP," applicable to the Trade Union Confederation and the Independent Employees Confederation. It directed seizure of their properties and arrest of their principal leaders. The party order directed party organs which we here denounce as criminal associations, the SA and SS "to be employed for the occupation of the trade union properties, and for the taking into custody of personalities who come into question." And it directed the taking into "protective custody" of all chairmen and district secretaries of such unions and b ranch directors of the labor bank (392-PS).



This is a time to remember this quote:


When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.


-Martin Niemöller




Think it can't happen here? THINK AGAIN.
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posted on Feb, 15 2011 @ 08:12 PM
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There's much more to this than pention plans..................
Apparently Mr.Walker has ALOT of "changes" in store.




(jsonline.com)-
Madison — Gov. Scott Walker's budget repair bill would give his administration sweeping powers to reshape state health programs covering more than 1 million state residents.

Under the bill, the administration's rewrite of the Medicaid program would be reviewed only by the Legislature's budget committee, which has a broader margin of control for majority Republican lawmakers than any other legislative committee. Democrats even questioned Monday whether the bill's proposed handoff of authority from the Legislature to the Walker administration was constitutional, but one legal scholar said it likely would pass muster in court.

............................."It's a shockingly broad delegation of legislative authority to the Department of Health Services," said Jon Peacock, research director for the Wisconsin Council on Children and Families. "This is the authority to do almost anything to substantially reduce eligibility for children, parents and childless adults, to increase premiums, to change renewal processes, to reduce services and to change rates (to providers). It covers everything."


www.jsonline.com...



posted on Feb, 15 2011 @ 09:45 PM
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There's much more to this than pention plans..................
Apparently Mr.Walker has ALOT of "changes" in store.


My God! This is the beginning isn't it? This is really truly "it".


Down with the system, up with humanity.
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posted on Feb, 15 2011 @ 10:12 PM
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The barbaric anti-human republicans are one day going to do something so vile, something like this, that it will truly erupt the American people.

They then may come out of their slumber.

Republican antihuman barbaric conservatives all over the country are abusing workers, such as the governor in New Jersey, Christ Christie.
Unfortunately, even some democrats like Cuomo from New York, who aught to know better, are falling for this nonsense about budget deficits, after the rich have looted this country in the 2008 bailout
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posted on Feb, 15 2011 @ 10:14 PM
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This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper

ts eliot



posted on Feb, 15 2011 @ 10:32 PM
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We will not die - this is not the end of the world... we will not die insignificant deaths, we are significant.

For those who don't understand: the interpretation of TS Elliot's poem The Hollow Men (the end of it)
is as follows:
People don't die in a truly exceptional way, no matter what we'd like to believe. Usually, they die an insignificant death - like a "whimper".

Humanity will not go silently.

What needs to happen is pressure to stop the bill from the rest of the country. The people have let their leaders corruption and abuse continue for too long.



posted on Feb, 15 2011 @ 10:53 PM
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Originally posted by MMPI2
The unions as they currently exist are nothing more than highly organized criminal enterprises.

I truly hope the worst for them.


Yeah, I have to agree, and I was once a proud union man myself, Auto Workers, then Steel Workers, then Teamsters. The union protected the worker then, and got us good pay and benefits. These days they have fallen into a destructive mode. And what do Government employees need a bargaining union for anyway? If they work for government, we are the company here, we are the boss. In my considered opinion, every Public Servant should make no more that a Private 1st Class in the Army does.
They provide their own insurance, and they answer to We the People.





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