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Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker Readies National Guard Against Unions

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posted on Feb, 14 2011 @ 09:24 PM

Originally posted by againuntodust
Maybe if these government servants didn't make 45 % more than the average private sector employee in the same field (whose tax dollars fund the government employee salary, mind you), this issue wouldn't exist, and these unions who helped create this issue wouldn't be threatened. Government worker pay needs to be knocked down to size, as does the pay of every elected government official.

These are not government officials, they are working people. I don't about you, but I don't know any ultra wealthy teachers, policemen, firefighters, nurses, mass transit operators, highway workers etc...

posted on Feb, 14 2011 @ 09:29 PM
There is no reason that public employees should have union representation, the potential for abuse has been show too many times. Public employee unions, ala AFSCME, have used their muscle to not only get better wages for their members but have transformed into powerful political entitles that extort politicians into doing their bidding. They have driven up the cost of government so much in many locals that its high time they were put in their place.

posted on Feb, 14 2011 @ 09:31 PM

Originally posted by Flatfish

Originally posted by 1088no5
reply to post by Flatfish

Just keep in mind that everyone has the right to quit.

And this where they seperate the wheat from the chaff... because when you quit you lose your seniority.

Here we go again with statements that may or may not be true. The rules governing seniority are set and regulated by each union and as a matter of fact, many "Locals" from the same parent union have completely different seniority structures. In the particular union I worked for, we got hired and fired every day, so quitting didn't necessarily affect ones seniority, although it could if one quit often enough. But that was just my particular Local, in my particular union. You see how easy it is to be wrong?

Well of course!!! If you get fired... and the union helps you get your job back... certainly you're gonna maintain your previous seniority. But this is the first I've ever heard of someone quitting and maintaining their original seniority if they come back 6 months/6years later. Are we talking some type of LEAVE... as in maternity... or medical??? What type of worker were you?

posted on Feb, 14 2011 @ 09:31 PM

Originally posted by alienreality
reply to post by Flatfish

No, it is all of them.. If you haven't noticed, once republicans and democrats get elected, the first thing that happens is they get briefed on the proper way to "play ball" with each other... So they can all get rich with little discomfort to either party..

For you believe it is all republicans means that you have bought the deception, and they are laughing at you collectively..

time to really wake up..
edit on 14-2-2011 by alienreality because: spllng

I didn't buy into anything, I lived it! As a retired union worker/representative who has personally negotiated numerous collective bargaining contracts over my 32 yr. career, I know firsthand just exactly where they are coming from and how they operate. I also served for 10 of those years as one of eight labor trustees on the board of directors managing our benefit trust funds totaling over 500 million in assets. So please don't try to tell me what I've bought into, I lived it and I know the ropes.

posted on Feb, 14 2011 @ 09:39 PM
reply to post by 1088no5

I was a longshoreman and to this day, we hire our labor much like it was depicted in Marlon Brando's "On The Waterfront" except without the buttons. We did away with the buttons when we adopted seniority, in my port that was on April fools day, 1981. We didn't integrate with the black locals until 1983 under a new Court Ordered seniority plan. I know it sounds kinda primitive, but around 1995, during an investigation conducted by the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, (in which our union was vindicated of all accusations) our hiring practices were deemed to be the fairest they had ever witnessed. Go figure.

posted on Feb, 14 2011 @ 09:56 PM

Originally posted by SirMike

.....transformed into powerful political entitles that extort politicians into doing their bidding. They have driven up the cost of government so much in many locals that its high time they were put in their place.

If I didn't know better, I'd think you were describing corporations and their lobbyist. My union didn't even have a PAC until the corporate anti-union/labor lobbying in Washington got to the point that to do nothing would be suicidal. Our Pac was formed as a last ditch effort once we realized that no one other than paid lobbyist could get the ear of our representatives. Prior to that, our sole political power lied in our ability to get out the vote. Corporate greed created this mess, not unions.

posted on Feb, 14 2011 @ 09:58 PM
Labor unions are good overall. Carpenters, Plumbers, Iron Workers etc.
(you gonna get on a beam 20 stories high?)The bad things are highly complex to deconstruct in a simple thread.

Public unions are the ones causing alot of trouble in a lot of states. $60,000.00 yr motor vehicle clerks are hard to justify. That list is huge.

posted on Feb, 14 2011 @ 10:06 PM

Originally posted by Analyze76
Labor unions are good overall. Carpenters, Plumbers, Iron Workers etc.
(you gonna get on a beam 20 stories high?)The bad things are highly complex to deconstruct in a simple thread.

Public unions are the ones causing alot of trouble in a lot of states. $60,000.00 yr motor vehicle clerks are hard to justify. That list is huge.

I'll tell you what's hard to justify, how about $500.00 a month electric bill or a $2500.00 a month house note or $1200.00 a month for health insurance not to mention $30,000.00 automobiles or rising college tuition rates. $60,000.00 a year is nothing compared to multi million dollar bonuses. Come on now, who's really bringing down the house. It sure as hell ain't working people.

posted on Feb, 14 2011 @ 10:28 PM
The fact that there are unions set up for government employees is, in itself, wrong.

Why do bad cops get away with everything they get away with? F.O.P.

Why does the DMV suck?

I could continue on, but won't.

Perhaps unions once served a purpose, I don't know,
but I do know that one of the major reasons the U.S. is losing jobs, gone forever, never coming back, forever, is because companies can no longer be competitive in the world economy while attempting to meet union demands.

Unions are known for their strong arm tactics when they don't get their way, and since law enforcement is also represented by a union, I don't see a lot of options other than The Guard.

I certainly don't like the precedent it sets, though.

posted on Feb, 14 2011 @ 10:40 PM
reply to post by Flatfish

Negative. Where do you hear such crap?

Unions never built a single damned thing - much less any industry!

Capital builds. Capital builds businesses. Capital builds industries.

Unions are a function of labor. And labor is a hired element - a cost to be specific. Labor is a variable cost in accounting.

A cost.

And American labor unions have priced American businessmen right out of business, and overseas. Half the variable costs, half the retirement costs, zero the constant threats of strikes, and none of the headaches.

I have an uncle who's been a big union man all his life, and now it appears his pension is underfunded. And I laugh! I think it's funny as hell.

In the late nineteenth and first two decades of the twentieth century - a century ago - unions did in fact help stop many abuses of child labor and so on. But the usefulness of labor unions is long past.

They now are nothing but an inflated - key word there - inflated, and thus unnecessary cost of production.

The solution? Take production where it's profitable.

Have your unions start their own businesses and run them. Even they will want to get rid of unions!

Started industries! It is exactly such ignorance that puts us all in the predicament we find ourselves in today.

posted on Feb, 14 2011 @ 11:19 PM
People please. This is insane. Do you see how they are toying with us?

Look, people who know me on here have read what I am about. I come from the crash of the dot coms, and enlisted in the construction industry with a collage education. I work in the trades, and am unionized – yes there is a lot of corruption, but where isn't there (not that I support corruption)?

I see all of you people that are attacking unions because of corruption as the pot calling the proverbial kettle black. Everything is corrupt these days, don't focus on one entity – that is ignorant. Focus on the corruption of the machine that brought you to where you currently are, not the innocents that are trying to survive just like you are.

What is so wrong with me having a living wage so that I can support my family? I see posts on here that say people in unions make way too much money? What justifies the money that you make?

I can sit in an office and type 80+ words a minute, I can design web pages, I can build servers from scratch – but yet because I do manual labor some of you people are actually saying I make too much money? I won't even go into the hazards or the training that justify such pay. Put your life on the line for your job in a skyscraper – I bet the people complaining about unions would want a pay increase.

What is the justification in stating that unions pay their employees too much?

I just love the division here – it just goes to show how un-evolved people still are in their thinking. How can a people push forward to progress when parts of humanity still do not understand the turmoil?

It isn't about how much money they make – it is about these people being human.

Go after the politicians who put you in this place of decent. Go after the banks who tore the USA apart and killed our country... don't down your fellow man who is in the same place you and I are.

The proposal would effectively remove unions' right to negotiate in any meaningful way. Local law enforcement and fire employees, as well as state troopers and inspectors would be exempt.

You have to read that... READ IT... SEE HOW THEY ARE PLAYING US? Give me a break people - I don't care if you are democrat or republican, or whatever... people need to open their eyes and LOOK.
They are playing with US... you and me.

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posted on Feb, 14 2011 @ 11:26 PM
reply to post by Black_Fox

His threat is to replace them with the National guard. Not use force very similar to Ronald Reagan breaking the Air traffic controllers union he fired them all because of there strike moved the miltary in to do the job untill new people could be trained. The guard Has MOS that covers every job in the government from firefighting to accounting .Hes simply saying hes not going to be held hostage by the unions and will replace them if need be.

posted on Feb, 14 2011 @ 11:28 PM

Originally posted by kwakakev
But that is not what the protest was about, everyone just wanted a fair go. The national guard cannot stop a strike unless they take up the jobs. .

LOL!!! I would like to see a National Guardsman take over my job as a mental health case manager! Dealing with one of my bipolar clients throwing a tantrum, trying to find a bed in a facility for a schizophrenic, or wading through the bureaucracy of SSI paperwork! LOL!!!

posted on Feb, 14 2011 @ 11:46 PM
reply to post by Rockerchic4God

Your MOS in the military is 68X - Mental Health Specialist so yes they can do your job as well.

posted on Feb, 15 2011 @ 12:50 AM

Originally posted by 1088no5
I'm curious as to which unions. That could make a big difference as to why the national guard is being called in. Maybe DOT workers are going on strike and they're gonna need road crews for snow plows and sanders... and maybe the snow budget is running low. It's been a wicked winter, yannow. And we've got more snow coming!!!
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It's very interested that you brought this up. As a matter of fact, the National Guard was called up for this past winter storm. They were called up to help residents remove snow from driveways, shovel walkways, and aid the city with snow removal.

posted on Feb, 15 2011 @ 12:55 AM
reply to post by Black_Fox

So what is Mr Walker going to do exactly? Send the national guard the what? Is he going to stop people from having the freedom to join up in groups and collectively challange any other body? Freedom of petition? Freedom of speech? Freedom of view? Where are the tea partiers? Where are other liberal groups? If there ever was a time to make a stand, now would be that time.

posted on Feb, 15 2011 @ 12:58 AM

Originally posted by MMPI2
The unions as they currently exist are nothing more than highly organized criminal enterprises.

Unions are no different from political organizations or advocacy organizations like the NRA. I respect the freedoms of peopleto gather a petition their rights or their views, I'd even go so far as to respect the right of KKK members and black panther members to gather around and spew whatever the hell they want. When the tea parties gathered, all we heard was "freedom" and what not. So because these are Unions, you want to criminalize them? Really? I wonder which members starred that post of yours because clearly they are not interested in the constitution, clearly it is not with their agenda and yours.

posted on Feb, 15 2011 @ 01:24 AM
To all the Union-bashers on this thread, without Unions you would be working 80 hours/week, no days off, horrible pay, no pension, no vacation and you would work for the rest of your life. People brave enough to get the Labour movement going back in the day paid with blood and some their lives so you could have a decent wage, workplace safety, vacations, weekends off, medical benefits, etc.

You non-union people should be kissing unions asses for giving you decent jobs to work at. Without them you'd be making nothing and have no rights! Are all Unions good?... of course not. Are they better than having no workplace representation? Of course they are, "United we stand, divided we fall".

This Governors actions are going to backfire bigtime.

Greedy corporations have taken jobs offshore, not Unions.

posted on Feb, 15 2011 @ 01:33 AM

Originally posted by Flatfish

Finally, the truth comes out!


Unions eat children and Obama is a taoist SW???

posted on Feb, 15 2011 @ 01:34 AM
reply to post by DEEZNUTZ

And isn't that exactly what's been happening again? Many people I know have been working 60-80 hours a week for years now. As jobs leave to go to other countries the people who are left here have to work extra hard to replace the people who got canned, picking up extra responsibilities. More hours per day and days per week, and they do it because they're afraid if they don't their job will be next. Brilliant plan on someone's part really. But it won't sustain much longer. The next phase in the cycle is tentatively beginning—bringing back some of the very same jobs but at 1/3 the salary. and you will be grateful. All part of the plan.

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