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ATS...Has it any influence on World Politics?

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posted on Jul, 15 2004 @ 11:42 AM
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Has all the discourse, the debate, the myriad topics, the fervor of discussion here at ATS, has any of this really had any impact on the course of world politics? Do you really think any head of state gives two bits what goes on in the dialogue(s) found here at ATS? I could be persuaded to think so, and would entertain proof of such.

[edit on 15-7-2004 by smokenmirrors]




posted on Jul, 15 2004 @ 11:45 AM
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Hmm it's probably watched, or atleast known of I mean hell I remember a hoax here where the staff faked some dod members... I'm sure that caught the attention of something.... as for the course of world politics? imo no, the shadow government... she no care.



posted on Jul, 15 2004 @ 11:52 AM
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No offence, but i highly doubt that a head of state will change their mind cause of a large group of conspiracy theorists. It would be nice if someone would listen, but i doubt it.



posted on Jul, 15 2004 @ 12:23 PM
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I don't really think this has any major impact on world politics, but I believe the Intelligence Agencies closely monitor this site to get a general opinion of how we are reacting to what is occuring in the news.

Just think of it. With all the videos being posted and terrorist websites out there, they gotta be watching this site to see how we are responding to them.



posted on Jul, 15 2004 @ 12:33 PM
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Not a chance, even with our ATS motto "Deny Ignorance", ignorance has run rampant in the majority of threads I've read this past week.

Very few constructive discussions, mainly a mudpit virus which has spread throughout the board.

I enjoy healthy debate not ugly personally insulting mud throwing, I hope the moderators can regain some control over these boards so those of us with a desire to "Deny Ignorance" can do so and maybe learn something useful in the process.

Then again, I mainly look at the war issues, politics, news, etc so I should state that these threads have been overrun by ignorance lately, and not the other forums on the board.

We are becoming what most people dislike in my country "dirty politicians",
nothing good happens from trashing the other points of view. There are good ideas from all sides of the political spectrum, this is a place where honest debate, research, and discussion could actually lead to something good, maybe not left or right, maybe something strong from the good of both sides, will it happen tomorrow, no, but it could start tomorrow and with enough effort we could eventually make a real change in our gov't and quit letting the career politicians turn us into WWF word wrestlers for their entertainment, it is our country not theirs, they represent us so if you are tired of the situation, let's try and see if we have what it takes to make a change...

Ideas welcome, bashers need not apply, is anyone with me?



posted on Jul, 15 2004 @ 12:43 PM
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Originally posted by JacKatMtn
I enjoy healthy debate not ugly personally insulting mud throwing,

I've experienced some of that mud-throwing you are talking about. For example, someone said, "I hope you are sterilized."

Obviously, I hit this person right on the spot with one of my good points to make someone say that to what I wrote.



posted on Jul, 15 2004 @ 12:56 PM
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I'm with you on that JKM. Just an idea, why not join the Debate Forum? It's fun and there is ZERO B.S.



posted on Jul, 15 2004 @ 01:22 PM
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Chatrooms/forums due to their realitive anonimity allow people to say things they quite possibly wouldn't in public. Also because as advanced as some government agencies may be in tracing things, the internet is so potentially complex that it is difficult to control. The stories the government or groups have managed to bury from the public media come to the surface on the internet. Broadcast and even cable and satellite is a relatively small number of channels to control. The internet is international and the pathways of passing information are almost limitless. I never, as an American, knew about "Convoy of Death" even though a good portion of international viewers have seen it. I never heard about the Franklin scandal until I heard about it here.

To your point:
It also gives people confidence that they are not completly alone in their thinking and makes them feel somewhat more empowered and freeer to express and sometimes act on those viewpoints.

A bit off thread:
Whether or not it changes the public policy/politics, it gives me a whole new perspective on the things that go on. Im not sure that their are as many conspiracies as some might believe, because in connecting dots sometimes people forget they may just be separate dots. But even if they are at least i see many more of the dots, that most people are quite unaware of. And unconnected dots are still sometimes significant on their own. Also many dots of one kind or other indicate a sort of weather/climate of things if you will.

People tend to think people or aliens or something they can get a handle on is the 'connecting' (conspiracy) factor in many things. I think there may be many intrinsic subtle aspects of the universe that put things in association. Those forces are much less structural in nature, and elusive to grasp. When you look at all things that exist and believe that intrinsic in existence is some form of life, you open your eyes to many possibilities that the brain has trained itself to filter out.

enough with the psycho-babble. [Auto-self-boot engaging] "KA-SWANG!!"
ow! ow! ow!



posted on Jul, 15 2004 @ 04:24 PM
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The govenrment knows we exist and Skeptic is probably the spy for them (
). No we do not. We arent famous enough.


df1

posted on Jul, 15 2004 @ 04:31 PM
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Not only does ATS have an influence, even the seemingly most insignificant post has an influence. Thought is a force and ATS provides an outlet for that force. If you change one mind with your idea that changed mind has the opportunity to change another and another and another. Its a chain reaction. Never underestimate the power you have.
.



posted on Jul, 15 2004 @ 04:34 PM
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I enjoy the hot debates and well the name calling does not bother me as long as is not more than once a day and from different members.


And for being monitor well my husband say yes. But I don't trust him



posted on Jul, 15 2004 @ 04:37 PM
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Part of me sort of hopes not, actually. I mean, do you want Bluntman666 and DeezNutz deciding the issues? I sure don't



posted on Jul, 15 2004 @ 04:38 PM
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Exactly, df1, the real influence on politics from ATS is the effect of knowledge and ability to question, of the Voter. Just a few years ago, most of my voting bias came from network tv, newspapers, and socialized input.

Now, that is just a small fraction of my data that I use for my decisions. And yes, ATS does provide me additional thought and analysis to be used, as within all the stuff here, between mud posts and erroneous info, are found jewels of knowledge I never had.

And most of us are/will be voter's.

[edit on 15-7-2004 by smirkley]



posted on Jul, 15 2004 @ 04:40 PM
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They may.... Bush keeps talking about conspiracy theorists, and I wouldn't doubt if Simon knew or S.O since they can track the I.P's and such to see who is coming on this board...

I think we should ask them...

And if anyone cares to listen to me, I say YES, they have come across this site..

Whether they give a# about what people think is another story...

I don't know if we have any influence since their all full of # and try to lie straight faced to the world...


But I would definitely say that many people on this board are WAY smarter then some of the retards we got in politics...



posted on Jul, 15 2004 @ 04:41 PM
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Originally posted by smokenmirrors
Do you really think any head of state gives two bits what goes on in the dialogue(s) found here at ATS? I could be persuaded to think so, and would entertain proof of such.



Please entertain proof of such which would persuade us also to think this...



posted on Jul, 15 2004 @ 04:49 PM
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ATS has no impact on any state administration at all.

For one, I have very cordially, and at least thrice, invited Mossad and/or CIA agents around for afternoon tea.

But the bumbling idiots get themselves arrested for passport fraud and locked away for six months.

I do support the view of df1 of influencing one person at a time, that's important to world politics.



posted on Jul, 15 2004 @ 04:53 PM
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Originally posted by MaskedAvatar
For one, I have very cordially, and at least thrice, invited Mossad and/or CIA agents around for afternoon tea.

But the bumbling idiots get themselves arrested for passport fraud and locked away for six months.


That's just too damn funny man. Glad I wasn't having a sip at the time.



posted on Jul, 15 2004 @ 04:59 PM
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The gov't barely pays enough attention to things like our health, education and employment - why would they pay attention to our opinions, especially those discussed by a population which is saturated with high schoolers.....not that I care, b/c a lot of them have great points in their posts, but that's just an ignored segment of our population when it comes to attention-drawing factors...



posted on Jul, 15 2004 @ 10:23 PM
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Originally posted by AD5673
The govenrment knows we exist and Skeptic is probably the spy for them (
). No we do not. We arent famous enough.
I have my suspicions about Skeptic. Maybe he is part of a network of CIA agents who set up and maintain websites.



posted on Jul, 15 2004 @ 10:34 PM
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Here's a quote from this thread by Springer:


We know for a fact

Several government computers/ISPs/Lans, etc... access ATS it's on the server logs and IP logs. We take it as a compliment. The usual target is ATSNN, they want their news unbiased too you know

So there's that....


Originally posted by IMMORTAL
I have my suspicions about Skeptic. Maybe he is part of a network of CIA agents who set up and maintain websites.


Then apparently the CIA wants our website up and running, b/c it was his abilities that kept that recent hacker at bay...


For some reason I'm reminded of that SNL skit were some meaningless person says in a casual voice "I'm going to kill the president" and then the secret service bum rushes them from out of nowhere



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