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Originally posted by C.H.U.D.
If it was hit by an asteroid then why...
1. did no one see an asteroid hit said area? Same goes for the dust/smoke train which would have been created by an asteroid as it punched through the atmosphere. and would have hung over the area for at least a short while afterward.
Originally posted by C.H.U.D.
2. was no meteorite found at the bottom of the crater?
Originally posted by C.H.U.D.
3. Why did DOD satellites not pick it up/issue a release? Note:they only issue a release under exceptional circumstances (in order to protect national security), and impact event on US soil would definitely qualify.
Originally posted by C.H.U.D.
I don't know what it was, but a gas explosion sounds a lot more plausible than an asteroid impact to me.
Not sure how you can say that when the pipeline was checked for leaks the previous day, there were no reports of gas odors, no recent construction in the area, damage was clearly excessive for a residential gas line explosion, especially a crater the size of "two houses."
Originally posted by GoldenFleece
reply to post by j.r.c.b.
Thanks for posting your observation, but Thursday was a day after the Feb. 9th Allentown explosion.
You probably saw 2011 CZ3 on Feb. 10th, which was larger and higher than CA7 that passed by only 63,000 miles away.
Originally posted by GoldenFleece
Late at night on a weekday in a working class town?
Originally posted by GoldenFleece
Heavy cloud cover?
Originally posted by GoldenFleece
Dust/smoke train obliterated by massive smoke from the explosion?
Originally posted by GoldenFleece
It would've been a small fragment that broke off from the 2011 CA7 meteorite that passed by on Feb. 9.
Meteorite: A solid body that has arrived on the Earth or Moon from outer space.
Facts:
Close approach of 2011 CA7 (not 2011 CA) took place at 19:28 UT +/- 2 min on
Feb 9 at 0.0006922 +/- 0.000037 AU. That's 103,552 +/- 5535 km, or 63,344
+/- 3439 miles.
It was 2-5 meters in size (quite small by asteroid standards).
The closest approach to the earth's surface was about 97,181 +/- km.
That is not, as the youtube video stated closer than satellites; it's a
quarter of the way to the moon.
Any suggestion that it hit earth ignores these facts.
It's not even the closest approach by a known asteroid in the last month,
that would be 2011 CQ1 on Feb 4 at 5484 km above the surface. That one WAS
closer than geostationary satellites. In the last month, 6 newly discovered
asteroids have passed within 2 X lunar distance. It's a testament to the
amazing ability of the 3 Catalina Survey search programs at Catalina, Mt
Lemmon, and Siding Springs to find such small and faint objects.
2011 CA7 has a 1 in 1.85 million chance of impacting the earth's atmosphere
between 2062 and 2099. That places it at somewhere around 300th place in the
list of known risky asteroids.
Originally posted by GoldenFleece
I'm intrigued by the 14-year old girl living across the street who said the entire house lit up with a yellow light just before the explosion.
Originally posted by GoldenFleece
Has anyone even looked or tested site soil samples for unique elements? I doubt it.
Originally posted by GoldenFleece
You said it, not me. Lots of astronomers questioned why this new DoD rule was implemented in the first place.
Is it possible DoD knows something we don't and this is an early and prime example?
Originally posted by GoldenFleece
But I guess everyone's entitled to their own opinion...
Originally posted by GoldenFleece
reply to post by j.r.c.b.
Thanks for posting your observation, but Thursday was a day after the Feb. 9th Allentown explosion.
You probably saw 2011 CZ3 on Feb. 10th, which was larger and higher than CA7 that passed by only 63,000 miles away.
At 17th magnitude, you would need an 80cm (32") diameter scope to be able to see it.
Originally posted by casinoed
reply to post by C.H.U.D.
I am a relative newbie to this site and enjoy the lively debate that many of these threads give rise to. I realise the premise of ATS is to deny ignorance, which is why C.H.U.D you are absolutely correct to raise issues with some of the more easily disprovable notions suggested by the OP.
However this thread is not the first time I have noted the manner in which you do this. I believe that your efforts to debunk others' suggestions would be far more successful if you refrained from condescending remarks towards those who hold a different opinion from you. The sarcastic and belittling tone you adopt makes you appear like a small-minded individual with issues, who can only feel good about him/herself by putting down others. Tell me, are you below the mean adult height by any chance? Just testing a theory here....
Originally posted by C.H.U.D.
When I first posted to this thread, I posted some valid, and pertinent questions/observations in a polite manner, only to be dismissed by the OP on all counts. Well, perhaps I was a little hard on the OP after that first post, but I've been here on ATS long enough to see what the OP was attempting to do, as it is a fairly common tactic here on ATS - Basically the OP starts a topic that seems like it is trying to get to the bottom of whatever questions there are, but he (or she) has already made up their mind what they want the answer to be.
Originally posted by casinoed
Sometimes science has easy explanations but sometimes it cannot square all of the circles.
Originally posted by casinoed
It must be frustrating when, having gleaned as much knowledge of a subject as you have, others continue to disregard the scientific and evidence-based explanation - this is quite often due to a lack of comprehension. And fear. Educating and informing others is an incredibly difficult job that requires great patience, especially when others aren't as naturally gifted in matters scientific.
Originally posted by casinoed
but please respect that some of us may not get it at the first or even the fourth attempt.
Originally posted by casinoed
Apologies all round on my part
Originally posted by GoldenFleece
Thank you for your response. To be fair, I did not dismiss you on all counts. You brought up three points: 1) Why didn't anyone see it before it hit? 2) Why wasn't anything found in the crater? and 3) Why didn't DoD know about it or announce it? I simply responded with possible explanations and even framed most as questions
Originally posted by GoldenFleece
Your first question is certainly valid and should've been acknowledged.
Originally posted by GoldenFleece
Besides the woman I quoted who heard a "series of booms" before the explosion, Is it possible they did, but attributed it to the massive explosion that was heard 8 miles away?
Originally posted by GoldenFleece
I recently visited Meteor Crater in Arizona and was amazed at the enormous crater created by a 3-4 foot meteorite that was on display. It looked like a nuclear blast.
Originally posted by C.H.U.D.
True, I was a bit hard on you GoldenFleece, and I apologise for that. The name calling was out of line. I hope we can both learn from this and put our differences aside.
Gas explosion seen, heard for miles
Investigation into Columbiana County blast under way. No injuries reported
Published on Saturday, Feb 12, 2011
Associated Press
HANOVERTON: People miles away reported hearing a ''blowtorch'' sound and could see a glow in the sky from a gas pipeline explosion that shook residents in eastern Ohio, an official said Friday.
''From 20 to 25 miles away they could hear a cracking,'' said Jim Hoppel, president of the board of commissioners governing Columbiana County. ''Some people said it was like a blowtorch.''
The Thursday night explosion and fire happened a day after a house explosion in neighboring Pennsylvania took the lives of five residents and destroyed several homes in Allentown.
A dispatcher for the county sheriff's office said officials had no reports of injury in the blast near Hanoverton. She said there was no mandatory evacuation but those in the village of about 400 people and surrounding towns who wanted to leave their homes could find shelter at a school and at the Salineville Fire Department.
The explosion occurred about 10:30 p.m. Thursday. A television station initially reported one house caught fire, but Robert Newberry, a spokesman for El Paso Corp., which operates Tennessee Gas Pipeline, said there were no structural fires. One house was damaged, the company said.
Newberry said only one nearby resident was evacuated.
Hoppel said he observed the sky ''all lit up'' from the county seat in Lisbon, about 20 miles from the scene of the blast. Others up to 40 miles away reported seeing a glow, he said.
Company spokesman Richard Wheatley said an investigation is under way.
The explosion involved a 36-inch, buried transmission line that dates to the 1960s and carries natural gas through the region, he said. Mechanisms in the section that ''failed'' automatically shut off the segment and the residual gas burned off, he said.
When a meteoroid enters our atmosphere it might break apart depending on it’s composition (typically iron or stone). It’s been reported by many witnesses close to areas where a meteorite falls that they hear a whistling or whooshing sound as the space rock(s) fly through the air overhead.
In the wee hours of November 18, 2001, while meteor gazers sat outdoors enjoying a dazzling Leonid shower, a puzzled few sat indoors typing e-mails to NASA.
"Do meteors make noise?" two perplexed viewers in North Carolina wanted to know. They had heard "a crackling to hissing sound" several times that evening, just as the meteors flared overhead. Likewise, an observer in Mississippi heard "a hissing sound" right when a meteor streaked across the sky. A third person heard sizzling; a fourth, "a kind of swish." That shouldn't happen, one viewer pointed out. Sound travels far more slowly than light; you might hear a sonic boom several moments after a meteor appears, but simultaneously hearing and seeing the "swish" of a meteor is as impossible as seeing distant lightning and hearing the accompanying thunder at the same time. Yet this viewer, too, had heard "a faint fizzing" noise from several Leonid meteors that night. "I hope I'm not going crazy!" she added.
Not to worry, says Dejan Vinkovic, coordinator of the Global Electrophonic Fireball Survey. Vinkovic, a graduate student in physics at the University of Kentucky in Lexington, began the survey two years ago in an effort to gather a database of earwitness reports of these whispering meteors ("electrophonic fireballs" in the literature). He knows full well that reputable scientists have dismissed the phenomenon for centuries; in 1719, astronomer Edmund Halley discounted such anecdotes as "the Effects of Fancy." But not only has Vinkovic heard the sounds himself, he was recently part of an international team of scientists that, for the first time in history, successfully captured them on tape. "Nobody had actually recorded these sounds under controlled conditions," he says. "We proved that it can be done."