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Dome Of The Rock UFO: Hoaxes Are Easy - Extended Discussion.

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posted on Feb, 16 2011 @ 01:58 PM
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Anxiously awaiting.......




posted on Feb, 16 2011 @ 03:17 PM
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Originally posted by Pimander
Why do you repeatedly try to tell people what their opinion is?


I don't, far be it from me to even try. I am more concerned with their actions.


Originally posted by Pimander
You're such a troll!


So says the person who is running around claiming there are disinformation agents, but won't tell us who they are. The only troll here is the person attempt to provoke fear and mistrust among the members of this board so that opinions he doesn't like are shut down.

If you think there are disinformation agents on this board, then you should have the courage of your convictions to name them. You would be doing everyone here a favor by doing so. Or are you worried that if you name them everyone will see it is just be a list of people Pimander doesn't like?



posted on Feb, 16 2011 @ 04:25 PM
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Very curious about interview! Hope it indeed puts all this to rest!!!!

Do keep in mind that Twitter account was attached to Discovery News, which was one of the outlets ODDLY toting their "Jerusalem UFO hoax" article, along with another video hoax article...keep in mind they rarely if ever report on UFO sightings, and didn't report on other similar UFO sightings around incident (Utah, etc).

If the interview makes sense, we should accept it as the best evidence - in addition to videos so far - but if it raises more questions, we can go to what I wrote above.

Hopefully that won't be the case, though, and we can move on to interesting topics like these-
www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Feb, 16 2011 @ 05:02 PM
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Originally posted by WingedBull

Originally posted by Pimander
You're such a troll!


So says the person who is running around claiming there are disinformation agents, but won't tell us who they are. The only troll here is the person attempt to provoke fear and mistrust among the members of this board so that opinions he doesn't like are shut down.

If you think there are disinformation agents on this board, then you should have the courage of your convictions to name them. You would be doing everyone here a favor by doing so. Or are you worried that if you name them everyone will see it is just be a list of people Pimander doesn't like?

I can't prove it. Unsubstantiated claims like that would get me banned. Sorry.

And some of the members I suspect are spreading disinformation are among my favourites. Chew on that.

Please don't repeatedly ask the same question. You're going to have to accept my answer. Sorry. Nobody is going to die if I don't, so chill out.

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P.S. Stop responding to the SCEPCOP banner. It won't harm you

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P.P.S. To all members, for the record. If you agree with me that there are disinformation agents active on Above Top Secret - do not be scared. If you are a sceptic, you won't trust what people are saying without evidence, so a healthy mistrust of authority is cool. But no fear, you won't die if you are mislead by a disinfo agent on ATS. In fact you are unlikely to suffer any immediate ill effects.
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posted on Feb, 16 2011 @ 06:43 PM
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I know you repeatedly slam on people who don't adopt a mainstream point of view in respect of your field of expertise - particularly if they try to highlight specific research areas that have perhaps proven controversial/ are usually shunned by mainstream archaeology (etc). I also notice that you tend to show up in tandem with other members of a similar ilk to bash the hell out of any thread where Sitchin is mentioned with some level of esteem.

So in certain ways, you do try to control other people's opinions, by generally ostracising in-thread those people on ATS who prefer to think outside of the box when it comes to understanding the origins of civilisation in Mesopotamia.

I've tried to argue certain points with you in the past, and in much the same way as several other members across various forums, whom I could name (but won't, for reasons similar to those provided by Pimander) - you stonewall / flame any opinion that strays outside the acceptable mainstream.


The problem adequately mentioned by Pimander elsewhere (but worth restating) is that while many pseudoskeptics on the internet operate from a sense of personal empowerment, some do in fact operate as paid-for propaganda peddlers, either government or corporate. Learning to tell the differences can be tricky. While there are clear examples of you trying to control opinion on the ancient civilisation threads, I believe that probably stems from ordinary pride in your academic discipline and your personal knowledge/expertise in various subjects.

But this is a forum, so maybe I'm a disinfo agent, planted to muddy the waters and confuse the honest people of ATS. I guess we'll never really be able to trust each other in this realm of ego-casting... Therein lies the problem. Solution? Our 'answers' must be to our own satisfaction, and we must avoid trying to control the opinions of others.



posted on Feb, 16 2011 @ 07:27 PM
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Quote by Pimander,

"P.P.S. To all members, for the record. If you agree with me that there are disinformation agents active on Above Top Secret - do not be scared. If you are a sceptic, you won't trust what people are saying without evidence, so a healthy mistrust of authority is cool. But no fear, you won't die if you are mislead by a disinfo agent on ATS. In fact you are unlikely to suffer any immediate ill effects."

There is certainly disinfo put about here, often on particular subjects, and above simply "for and against" Again, often I have found those who do have more than a grounding on the subject, will always leave a little, but important, bit out. Then there are those the," minutemen" who post long and endlessly with the," It's been proven
" syndrome and frankly, nothing else. I can think of one limbly challenged poster who has been at this thread doing just that ad nauseum.



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posted on Feb, 16 2011 @ 08:41 PM
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nice you just put it to bed for me



posted on Feb, 16 2011 @ 08:49 PM
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this demonstration would be suitable, were it not for the fact that the jerusalem video is not against a static 2-d background. there are lights turning on and off in different places around the vid as well as moving cars in the foreground and background.

please try doing that with your video effects programs and then post your results. thanks.
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posted on Feb, 16 2011 @ 09:17 PM
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Thanks for the support Smurfy. There are members who won't even publicly say they agree with me because they get hit so hard by members trying to deny them their right to express their opinion. Good on you for speaking your mind



Originally posted by FlyInTheOintment
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I know you repeatedly slam on people who don't adopt a mainstream point of view in respect of your field of expertise - particularly if they try to highlight specific research areas that have perhaps proven controversial/ are usually shunned by mainstream archaeology (etc). I also notice that you tend to show up in tandem with other members of a similar ilk to bash the hell out of any thread where Sitchin is mentioned with some level of esteem.

So in certain ways, you do try to control other people's opinions, by generally ostracising in-thread those people on ATS who prefer to think outside of the box when it comes to understanding the origins of civilisation in Mesopotamia.


I wasn't going to mention that. Anyone doubting what FlyInTheOintment is saying should take a look at this thread. FlyInTheOintment is quickly misrepresented with a twisting of his words. (Lied about?)

The number of times WingedBull and his side-kick in that thread make false accusations or bend the facts is untrue. If you doubt me have a look.

I have withdrawn from the debate other that to be a messenger of Robert Schoch, who was accused of not being the man to trust on his own theory. Suffice it to say, FlyInTheOintment was driven from the thread by the tactics of ostracising and harassing any who challenge orthodoxy. How is that not trying to control what is discussed? It's bullying tactics and how many of us like to smash bullies. Quite a few is my guess.
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posted on Feb, 16 2011 @ 09:19 PM
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posted on Feb, 16 2011 @ 09:32 PM
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Originally posted by AtruthGuy

Originally posted by Pimander
P.P.S. To all members, for the record. If you agree with me that there are disinformation agents active on Above Top Secret - do not be scared. If you are a sceptic, you won't trust what people are saying without evidence, so a healthy mistrust of authority is cool. But no fear, you won't die if you are mislead by a disinfo agent on ATS. In fact you are unlikely to suffer any immediate ill effects.
edit on 16/2/11 by Pimander because: (no reason given)


I think you need to layoff the koolaid, and conspiracy theory sites for a while. seriously.........
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For goodness sake


That was a joke in response to the ridiculous attack on me below. It's called a humorous riposte. I'm guessing you're American? It may be we have a different sense of humour here in England.



Originally posted by WingedBull
The only troll here is the person attempt to provoke fear and mistrust among the members of this board so that opinions he doesn't like are shut down.


Why would I want to scare anyone? Total garbage.

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posted on Feb, 16 2011 @ 09:36 PM
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You should be ashamed of yourself for such remarks, please enlighten us "disinfo agents" i would be entertained at such a ridiculous assumption. Flogging this dead horse of a hoax, lashing out at members who expose the brutal truth of this scam wont change the facts. I don't understand where people come up with this crapola? Something in the water? CIA agents , reptilian shape shifters working for the man on ATS lol. If that isn't trolling then i don't know what is. Just my 2 cents.

palms face

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posted on Feb, 16 2011 @ 09:58 PM
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Originally posted by uncuuncu
I think this sighting is genuine and is not a hoax.
Just that some of the videos were faked on purpose to heighten doubt...



Greetings Earthlings, Assorted Guests and ATS member uncuuncu:

I come in peace.

This is my response to another member/believer regarding the event.

Do you yourself think the red lights were indicative of some sort of craft? And what about the baby? Has anybody followed up on that?

How about you do some legwork and get back to us with the evidence that any part of this event is provable to be real. That would be really great and make you feel like you are part of the process in proving this truly breathtaking phenomenon incontrovertible. Good luck.




Originally posted by puntito
Now I traced the first five blinks of the dots in 3D to get a 3D shape out of it.
I could do that because there are two different video angles.

Just adding orange or red dots in the video would lead to a chaos and the blinking dots position would not render a consistent fourth dot in one single 2D plane.
Then the fifth dot proofs that the UFO traced a 3D shape.



Greetings Immortalgemini527:

First, some unfinished business. Please help me understand what you are insisting.




Like i said from the begining, forget the probe, and the flash ,and all that phony debunking stuff , look at the triangle right above waiting for there probe to come back to them.
It was the triangle spaceship aliens deploying and redeploying there probe....period,whats the argument about,not understanding?


OK...so we are instructed to "forget the probe and the flash and all that phony debunking stuff and behold the triangle spaceship aliens deploying and redeploying their ________ ??? Since we are commanded to forget the probe, we are asked to conceptualize and envision - nothing. OK, I see it. I'm with you so far. (Wake up Debo, there's sure to be audio involved here somehow...the wailing of an infant, background murmurings from the boistrous throngs there for the celebration...oops, ahead of this story.)




Forget about just, soley trying to debunk the alien probe,and the 2 shots from a very big gun that produced the flash ,debunk the whole video.
The triangle.the probe,and ...i guess the flash,lol,why are people debunking the flash.



Is this a big gun?





Again the non-existent probe. OK, moving on, now we are finally getting to some meat on this here dirty old well-gnawed bone. Debo! Attention please. "2 shots from a very big gun that produced the flash." OK, suppose I believe you to this point. You say two shots, but only mention one flash. Which is it? Is there only one big gun, and they had to reload to fire the second shot, or did two of them fire at exactly the same time? Your continued silence and participation in the cover-up makes me not trust you! Hence my room for doubt.


Is this a big gun?







What?

Someone told someone who told someone who told a person wearing black in a phone booth with a disguised voice, no less (I think it was really MrMask and the phone booth's voice was baritone) that Springer said that SkepticOverlord said that ZeroGhost implied that he just got back from a secret trip and learned from zorgon's trusted sources with high enough credentials and expert knowledge (like that gift0fpr0phecy, laymanskeptic, pezza, timetofly) that we could rely on the individual who encrypted the information on animal crackers, that the Mossad suppressed the noise because of the cover-up and noise limitation statutes in the old City at that time of the morning. Sounds logical to me. But the question is still there...how many guns, flashes, bangs or pharts from the big gun battery crew? An errant shell casing, a whiff of cordite? Something definitely smells here.

Just in! Here is why there was no noise. If a tree falls in the forest...









All of you are debunking the flash because you all think it came from the probe,but it came from a very big gun that shot at it twice,what you think scared it away,why you think it left so quick,it was being shot at.
WHAT ARE YOU ALL THINKING ,THAT THE FLASH OF LIGHT CAME FROM THE BOTTOM OF THE PROBE,IS THAT WHY THE FLASH BECAME SO IMPORTANT TO THIS ,LOL



Again, the probe. How could we possibly think the flash (aha...singular) came from the probe since there is/was none? Two shots, one flash. See question above...now, I'm really confused. Wait! There are other amateur video analyst types that are all completely right lurking right here as we continue to look for the red lights. They have been said to possess genius abilities to analyze YouTube uploads and have been awarded degrees in video analysis. But since there is an element of doubt, I will take all evidence at face value without making assumptions.

It's okay for me to have this opinion.

Which brings us to the real reason the "triangle alien race triangle spaceship" was/is here...delivering the baby! And to think that in the old days, babies were delivered by the stork. Speaking of the "Baby Jesus," since when are terrestrial weapons capable of scaring an omniscient/all-powerful being?





And as you can clearly see,the 3 lights that forms the triangle alien race triangle spaceship,and as u can clearly see,the probe flying back to it,whats the point in debunking half arse,debunk the whole vidio,lets start from ,the triangle above the dome,debunk that,debunk the probe the triangle and...the flash,lol 'flash',jesus christ !



You can keep saying it is over and over again, but that doesn't make it so. If the sighting really did happen, and for any of you to assume it for sure didn't is just retarded (even the Logical One is admitting there could at least have been SOMETHING up in the sky that night). (I actually saw a flock of big somethings as a child; scared the poop out of me!)

Again, the probe. I am not attempting to debunk anything, especially half arse, rather merely attempting the gather information so as to make an intelligent, informed decision. Please don't lead this witness. Other witnesses might come forward ...or there are other hints this could be real. We're all relying on our brains to determine any sorts of truths in life, and the human brain is severely limited and adapted for mere survival purposes. Yes, I have a very open mind. hahahha. And, I just made up the stats...trying to bring some understanding to the table here.

Just in! Here is what LogicalOne saw in the sky that night! (We are so blessed to be part of the solution instead of being part of the cover-up.) We get 'em all the time here in Georgia, silent too, but no red lights...









Point blank, there was 3 red dots that formed the triangle,and the fourth dot was the probe flying back.
To be honest, if i never would of saw the triangle ,then i would say this video is fake,but because the triangle spaceship was there,and the probe flew back up,as you can clearly see, beyond the shadow of a doubt the conclusive evidence to me is that,it was a triangle deploying and redeploying there probe.
I have asked people to debunk that ,they cant ,and seem to want to focus on the ...idiot flash event,'for what i dont know' im lost there, like really !
but until they debunk the triangle,and the probe going back to the triangle after being shot at, then to me,this video is real........PERIOD !



Again, the probe, now with a red light. (I wonder if "probies" change the lights. Hold on, somebody call Gibbs.) So, you are saying that it is clear to see this "triangle alien race triangle spaceship" deploying and redeploying this non-existent probe. OK. Maybe I won't come to that conclusion. Maybe I'll agree with you. But I will still realize that I'm dealing with very limited knowledge/insights. That said, I will not trust my conclusions. This is not a situation you could study and research and come with a definitive decision on. I'm not knowledgeable enough in the area to decide.


Just so you know we are truly on your side, you are invited to participate in our weekend militia here in the GA mountains. This weekend, we are bringing out "Ol' Betsy," something we bought surplus from money raised at bake sales, quilt sales, the vegetable truck farm, and what we can get for charging to put fires out. Here is our pride and joy:







And this is what Tennessee will look like if they don't quit stealing our water out of the Tennessee River!






Sincerely looking forward to your response to aid in enlightenment and understanding.

In Peace & Light
tfw





PS...Speaking of fires, I am with the local volunteer fire department and we have successfully saved houses in wildland fires like this with Barricade Fire Blocking Gel. Check it out.





www.firegel.com...
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posted on Feb, 16 2011 @ 10:07 PM
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Skeptic, thanks for the "video hoaxes 101" demonstration. For those not familiar with imaging software, CGI, etc. it really gives you an idea of what is possible. Now if I can just sort out this "disinfo" agent, "shill", speak I'd be all set. Thanks again...



posted on Feb, 16 2011 @ 11:03 PM
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Here is what I think is the latest ploy of the church concerning this topic.
just scroll down to just short of half way down. you will understand.

theparanormalpastor.blogspot.com...

I realize it is one man but the representation is insane. The videos have been removed for copyright?
And the description of that it was visibly only a ball of light is not disclosed. I will admit it is a pretty picture but uh ...no.
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posted on Feb, 17 2011 @ 02:23 AM
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Originally posted by Unknown Soldier
You should be ashamed of yourself for such remarks, please enlighten us "disinfo agents" i would be entertained at such a ridiculous assumption. Flogging this dead horse of a hoax, lashing out at members who expose the brutal truth of this scam wont change the facts. I don't understand where people come up with this crapola? Something in the water? CIA agents , reptilian shape shifters working for the man on ATS lol. If that isn't trolling then i don't know what is. Just my 2 cents.

palms face

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You've added nothing. I said none of that.

No reptilians, nothing it the water. But there are agents on ATS. You just don't like me expressing that opinion without trying to slur me. That's the only scam here.

Pathetic. I used to respect your opinion. Now I think you are also trolling. It's transparent to any neutral and you do yourself no favours.



posted on Feb, 17 2011 @ 05:00 AM
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Originally posted by Pimander
Pathetic. I used to respect your opinion. Now I think you are also trolling. It's transparent to any neutral and you do yourself no favours.


I'm wondering why any agents would want to bother with this forum or any other, if only just to have a nose and a giggle. The infighting on these types of forums between those who think it's infested with "Agents" is hilarious.

I'm still shocked that people think they are so important as to warrant an official to try to spread disinformation as if to put people off a trail that there is still no proof of it existing.

Personally, I think people should chill the hell out and instead of slinging arguments about, actually come up with some proof and if anyone thinks anyone is a dis-info agent, then name n shame ... what have you got to lose? an account on here with a post count of a couple of hundred? oh come on lol, grow some nutz.

It's a cop out as much as when someone say's they have a video of an alien encounter, but won't give you the original copy to analyse. It's speculation at it's worst....either name shame prove or move on.



posted on Feb, 17 2011 @ 05:48 AM
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So where is that link to the interview?



posted on Feb, 17 2011 @ 06:06 AM
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Originally posted by nitro67
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So where is that link to the interview?


I'm still waiting mate, I know the person who has done the interview and he's a well known astronomer who also is sceptical, but open minded. As he and many of us who are astronomers/stargazers often say, for all the time we spend looking up, very few ever see anything out of the ordinary


As soon as he's posting it, he will let me know and i'll pass it on. I'm not sure on what if anything this interview will show, but it's a waiting game ... don't fall foul like some on this forum wanting it NOW NOW NOW, it will be posted as soon as I get the link



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