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Dome Of The Rock UFO: Hoaxes Are Easy - Extended Discussion.

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posted on Feb, 15 2011 @ 02:47 PM
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Originally posted by WingedBull
Because you seem to be confusing rumor with reality. As of right now, there are only six verifiable "witnesses" to the event.

You know of only six verifiable witnesses. In reality there could be many more. Maybe you're the one confused.

One wonders how many witnesses to this event you would expect. Of course, the answer to that depends on whether the object was visible from below. That is unknown. It also happened at "1am".




posted on Feb, 15 2011 @ 02:48 PM
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Originally posted by GodIsPissed
[But you can't call it a hoax without analyzing the original footage.

The available footage has been analyzed and proven to be hoaxes.

 


Here is a slightly modified version of the source material in the opening post of this thread, modified to appear as though shot with a small mobile phone.


(click to open player in new window)



posted on Feb, 15 2011 @ 02:51 PM
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Originally posted by FOXMULDER147
You know of only six verifiable witnesses. In reality there could be many more


You are right, there could be. But,three weeks after the event, these witnesses have yet to come forward. You are taking the possibility of more witnesses as a fact there are more witnesses.

edit on 15-2-2011 by SkepticOverlord because: corrected errant BBcode tag



posted on Feb, 15 2011 @ 02:54 PM
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Originally posted by FOXMULDER147
In reality there could be many more.


And where are those witnesses who saw a bright light descend from on high down to one of the holiest, most-photographed, most-visited, and most-guarded places on the planet?

And please... the "media cover-up" angle on this is just silly. The "media" is an entertainment outlet (yes, especially the news) seeking ratings, eyeballs, and top ad revenue above all else. An extraordinary story of a stunning glowing light descending on the Dome of The Rock in Old Jerusalem would be an earth-shattering sensational story every outlet would not just embrace, but exploit to its fullest -- if true.

It's not true. Therefore, no media exploitation.



posted on Feb, 15 2011 @ 02:54 PM
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Originally posted by GodIsPissed
reply to post by SkepticOverlord
 


Nobody is denying the fact that the video can't be re-created.With all the new technology anything is possible.


The original thread is full of people claiming that it cant be recreated and it cant be done with CGI. People with a grasping at straws argument. So Skeptic Overlord gave them what they asked for, now they are changing tune once again.


But you can't call it a hoax without analyzing the original footage.


The original footage was analyzed by several independent party's and determined a hoax without question. The manipulated videos mean it is impossible to be authentic in any instance.



Why is there so much interest in this particular ufo case?THAT is what makes me go hmm..something is amiss.Then to put it out on tv that it was a hoax over ALL the ufo cases out there..why this one?There are sooo many ufo hoaxes they could put on tv yet they chose this particular case.


Because so many people such as yourself refuse to accept the facts. The facts that have been painstakingly laid out in front of you to see. People making excuses and said excuses answered with proof that trumps said excuses.



One can't help but feel something is up with this ufo case.


That something is a hoax
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posted on Feb, 15 2011 @ 02:56 PM
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Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
And please... the "media cover-up" angle on this is just silly.


Even if there was a "media cover-up", multiple, independent entities not associated with the mainstream media (that's the boogeyman, right?) have all come to the exact same conclusion.

This is just beyond ignorance. Those still arguing for the Jerusalem video are outright promoting ignorance.



posted on Feb, 15 2011 @ 02:57 PM
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Even though I could tell that was a still with someone shaking the camera it was still pretty good video.

I think it's all the attention this ufo case has gotten is the reason why people don't believe it's a hoax..fair?

I see many ufo cases every day..we all do.Yet this one get's the world's attention?

Maybe it is a hoax.I don't know.I have little experience in video editing.It's all the attention it's getting is what baffles me.



posted on Feb, 15 2011 @ 03:00 PM
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Originally posted by SkepticOverlord

Originally posted by FOXMULDER147
In reality there could be many more.


And where are those witnesses who saw a bright light descend from on high down to one of the holiest, most-photographed, most-visited, and most-guarded places on the planet?

And please... the "media cover-up" angle on this is just silly. The "media" is an entertainment outlet (yes, especially the news) seeking ratings, eyeballs, and top ad revenue above all else. An extraordinary story of a stunning glowing light descending on the Dome of The Rock in Old Jerusalem would be an earth-shattering sensational story every outlet would not just embrace, but exploit to its fullest -- if true.

It's not true. Therefore, no media exploitation.


I wouldnt say the most photographed place. Most times you cant even bring a camera into the holy wall area.



posted on Feb, 15 2011 @ 03:02 PM
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"Those still arguing for the Jerusalem video are outright promoting ignorance".

And what about those that keep making threads about it being a hoax?

Yeah it's a hoax..WE GET IT..so why go on about it?Why reopen the wound?

Just pouring salt in?Who's complaining now?



posted on Feb, 15 2011 @ 03:02 PM
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Originally posted by GodIsPissed
Why is there so much interest in this particular ufo case?THAT is what makes me go hmm..something is amiss.Then to put it out on tv that it was a hoax over ALL the ufo cases out there..why this one?There are sooo many ufo hoaxes they could put on tv yet they chose this particular case.


Another red-herring argument. If there was not a thorough debunking of this case, you'd be making an appeal-to-silence argument; skeptics aren't saying anything, therefore proving the video real. But when there is interest, you try the opposite tact, an appeal-to-verbosity; skeptics are interested, therefore proving the event is real.

Interest, or lack there of, does not prove or disprove a case. The evidence is the same, no matter how much interest there is in the case. And unable to support your beliefs based on that evidence, faced with evidence that is in fact quite contradictory, you engage in red-herring tactics, tactics that has been par-for-the-course among believers in the Jerusalem video.

One could ask the same question of you and the other defenders of the video. Why are you so adamant in promoting it as a real event?


Originally posted by GodIsPissed
One can't help but feel something is up with this ufo case.


Yes, one cannot. It is interesting there are so many willing to ignore the evidence it is a hoax. Why is that?



posted on Feb, 15 2011 @ 03:04 PM
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Originally posted by GodIsPissed
reply to post by SkepticOverlord
 


Yet this one get's the world's attention?


It Did Not really worlds attention, it just got a bunch ufo blogs and spyware infested ufo sites attention, along with a bunch of very gullible people.



posted on Feb, 15 2011 @ 03:05 PM
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Originally posted by GodIsPissed
"Those still arguing for the Jerusalem video are outright promoting ignorance".

And what about those that keep making threads about it being a hoax?


What of it? You have a problem with promotion of the truth?


Originally posted by GodIsPissed
Yeah it's a hoax..WE GET IT..so why go on about it?Why reopen the wound?


Because multiple persons refused to accept evidence of it being a hoax unless a similar video was made. But, as others predicted, those same persons engaged in a laughable moving of the goalposts and just continued to ignore the evidence.


Originally posted by GodIsPissedWho's complaining now?


Well, right now...you.





posted on Feb, 15 2011 @ 03:07 PM
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Originally posted by GodIsPissed
And what about those that keep making threads about it being a hoax?

Because it's the most-current, and fairly important, case study for applying a healthy dose of skepticism toward any UFO video posted to YouTube -- which is the point of this thread.

We (all who are serious about UFO sightings) need to stop assuming YouTube videos might be real, and assume they're fake until an analysis and corroborating evidence tells us otherwise.



posted on Feb, 15 2011 @ 03:09 PM
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Originally posted by GodIsPissed
"Those still arguing for the Jerusalem video are outright promoting ignorance".

And what about those that keep making threads about it being a hoax?

Yeah it's a hoax..WE GET IT..so why go on about it?Why reopen the wound?

Just pouring salt in?Who's complaining now?


what about the kids who reposted the same video over and over again after the main topic was moved into hoax.



posted on Feb, 15 2011 @ 03:09 PM
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"It is interesting there are so many willing to ignore the evidence it is a hoax. Why is that?"

I think it was the rush to make sure people think it was a hoax is what makes people think there is either A-more to this case or B-they are trying to cover it up.

The owner of ATS and even the media got involved in this one.And this is a conspiracy website..so what do you expect?Conspiracy theorists will think conspiracy right?Does that bother you?



posted on Feb, 15 2011 @ 03:10 PM
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Originally posted by GodIsPissed
reply to post by SkepticOverlord
 


Even though I could tell that was a still with someone shaking the camera it was still pretty good video.

I think it's all the attention this ufo case has gotten is the reason why people don't believe it's a hoax..fair?


Some people don't believe it's a hoax fair? Some people don't have a clue.


I see many ufo cases every day..we all do.Yet this one get's the world's attention?


Not really, it was in the news for a hot minute but has all ready faded in to obscurity. Because of the religious undertones and location it attracted certain types not so much in to the UFO topic but acting faith alone.


Maybe it is a hoax.I don't know.I have little experience in video editing.It's all the attention it's getting is what baffles me.


Hoaxes come and go on ATS and abroad, the hoax forum is full of hoaxes alike. There will always be hoaxers and delusional people contaminating the subject. This hoax is no more special then many of the notable hoaxes that have come to pass. It's predecessors are probably in the works all ready.
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posted on Feb, 15 2011 @ 03:14 PM
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"What about the kids that posted the video over and over"?

What about them?They're the mods responsibility.

This is the owner's thread,not some kids.



posted on Feb, 15 2011 @ 03:15 PM
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SkepticOverlord-

If what you're saying is that the threat of hoax is so great that we can't really entertain any UFO videos, until they have corroborating evidence, I get that. And you can really ignore everything I write after this point. But that is not how you've worded things...instead you have come off as arrogant and as if you really want to dismiss anybody who disagrees, as if you somehow really do have hard proof of anything. Which makes people SKEPTICAL of you, which then makes them concerned about cover up. And if there was a cover up going on, all best are off...the debating frenzy goes unleashed...

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Swore I wouldn't post here again, sigh...feel it's my duty, though. Probably on my way to getting banned. I've already been "warned" by Skeptic Overlord back when I first started posting here.

I'm still seeking professional video analysis from someone not attached to UFO stories in any way (only could get video editing expert friend's 2 cents that the videos are not sufficient for analysis)...no one on ATS ever gave ME credentials to trust them... but I still haven't heard back from people I've emailed on Linkedin/etc. So far, I'm suspecting the YouTube videos are not sufficient enough for analysis...that's not a very sexy headline, though, is it? And that's why you're not seeing a single objective professional posting about how this video is fake OR real...there's just not enough info in the videos to work with, whether or not it can be recreated with CGI is totally off topic.

I don't know if ATS is part of some disinformation operation. I don't think all ATS debunkers would be, of course, haha - Skeptic Overlord seems pretty good at convincing others they're right, so no need! But I do think ATS may have more of a personal agenda to protect their own beliefs/analysis than find the truth, at least in this case. Maybe they don't want to advertise the hoax - or ANW - and I totally get that, but if ATS is tired of being accused of being part of some disinfo operation, being condescending toward and sending warnings to those who disagree or shutting down threads is definitely not going to help. ****I was accused of being part of the hoax before I started doing any accusing, mind you.**** IT GOES BOTH WAYS!

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I'm going to focus on just ONE point. Discovery News and Space.com's odd interest in this story.

These two outlets don't do posts on UFO sightings and don't even have any authority over UFO videos, but for some reason published 2 of the most shared stories about the Jerusalem UFO "hoax" on the web. Discovery News even followed up its Jerusalem UFO hoax article with *ANOTHER* UFO video hoax article.


All Discovery News' UFO related posts for PAST YEAR:

Jerusalem UFO almost certainly a hoax - news.discovery.com...

Top 5 Video Hoax Tips - news.discovery.com... Alien Invasion? Um, No.
news.discovery.com...
New Zealand Government Opens UFO Files
news.discovery.com...
Mystery missile launch
news.discovery.com...
UFO conspiracy theories have holes
news.discovery.com...
Are UFOs real? Denver wants to know
news.discovery.com...
Superstitious beliefs getting more common
news.discovery.com...
UFOs spying on our nukes, airmen claim - news.discovery.com...
Where would space aliens come from?
news.discovery.com...
UFO over gold coast explained - news.discovery.com...
Brits release UFO docs - news.discovery.com...

And here are all UFO posts from past year just on Space.com - tied to @THEJerusalemUFO twitter account right now -

UFO posts from last year:

Jerusalem Hoax - www.space.com...

If we're not alone, we should fear aliens - www.space.com...
Venus to shine brightest on Saturday - www.space.com...
Mystery missle (article explains its jet aircraft) - www.space.com...
Brilliant Venus may prompt UFO sighting - www.space.com...
5 celestial lights to brigthen july's nigths - www.space.com...
UFO spotted over Australia likely a private rocket - www.space.com...

Where is Paradigm2012 btw? Before ATS deleted/404ed the HOAX thread (temporarily that one night), this person said they were working on details to crack case open. They never posted in newly opened thread, but have logged in since. Seems they would have chimed in by now, regardless of if they had info on the topic...



posted on Feb, 15 2011 @ 03:19 PM
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Originally posted by GodIsPissed
"Those still arguing for the Jerusalem video are outright promoting ignorance".

And what about those that keep making threads about it being a hoax?


Why are you so concerned with the subject matter? This is about awareness and quite educational. You can learn from it if you wish. You have a choice to participate in the many threads and discussions here on good cases still unsolved? Nobody is forcing you to participate in this thread. Turn the channel then.


Yeah it's a hoax..WE GET IT..so why go on about it?Why reopen the wound?

Just pouring salt in?Who's complaining now?


Why would you feel offended? Unless you are one of the hoaxers or involved I don't see why you would feel that way? You have a personal attachment to this hoax is what im getting?


The truth does not bode well with some I guess.
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posted on Feb, 15 2011 @ 03:19 PM
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Originally posted by hootlj
I'm still seeking professional video analysis from someone not attached to UFO stories in any way...

A couple of the media stories included analysis from in-house video experts, that concluded the videos were a hoax. Otherwise, it might be hard to find someone who would care enough to spend the time.




But I do think ATS may have more of a personal agenda to protect their own beliefs/analysis than find the truth,

Nothing would be better for our overall traffic than an international UFO event that really happened. Seriously.



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