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Originally posted by The Axeman
I was looking for more info on the SMOTJ when I came across these guys, The Sovereign Military Order of Malta, or Knights of Malta. Here is the link to one of their sites:
www.smom.org...
More to follow...
So Axeman -- go to:
www.orderofmalta.org/site/umanitarie_ordine.asp?idlingua=5
Make sure you click the "english" box in the upper left ... then scroll down the left column to look at the various initiatives undertaken by the Order of Malta.
You're clear that it's a Roman Catholic humanitarian organization, and it's not a secret society, right? There's no initiation, there's no secret oath or grip or purpose, and its charitable aims are public. The Order of Malta has permanent observer status at the UN, and is diplomatically recognized in 45+ countries. It's open to RC men and women who are of upstanding character and who live lives of humanitarian virtue. Very interesting group, with a fantastic history, but no secrets.
Your so-called "Templar" group, on the other hand, is a bit of a different story. The Templars were officially supressed in the early 1300s, so groups today claiming lineage to the Order of the Temple are latter-day inventions using an old name.
Cheers,
Sandalfon
[edit on 8/6/04 by The Axeman]
Originally posted by ItsTheQuestion
reply to post by Sandalfon
Well, if their very own web-site [!!!] implies that they're not a secret society, than obviously no further investigation would be necessary.
Originally posted by ItsTheQuestion
reply to post by Sandalfon
I know that my favorite televised conservative, one Patrick J. Buchanan, is a member of the order. I also have good reason to believe that both the Knights of Malta and Columbus, as well as the Society of Jesus, for instance, much like their Masonic counter-parts, have a lot more to them then we, the laity, are led to believe.
[edit on 10.11.2008 by ItsTheQuestion]
Originally posted by Sandalfon
That said, we should watch Buchanan, though, in case he's signaling rising up and world-dominating to his cape and cross-wearing brethren -- or is he just fidgeting?
Originally posted by The Axeman
originally posted by pbrez
This group descends from the Order of St John (Hospitallers). The reason they have the title "sovereign military order" was because they became a military order when the Turks where trying to invade Malta then Europe a while back. This group really isn�t harmful they run a lot a charity missions. To join requires I think about 3000 dollars than a 800 dollar a year due. Also you have to have a college degree to join. Somewhere on the internet I saw pictures of someone joining (I don�t remember the link) and there was nothing unusual. They have an influence in America but they are not that big.
Well, please do not take offence, but this is a Catholic order, and one of their stated goals is to defend the catholic Church. I know from reading your posts that you are a Catholic, and a Knight of Columbus, so forgive me for saying I can see why you would be so quick to dismiss this group as harmless.
If what I have read is true, they have close ties with the Nazi Party during WW2 and even helped smuggle war criminals out of Germany and helped them escape and disappear after the war. I think that is charity for the wrong people. I'm not saying it's true or not, but there is a theory out there that says they did just that.
I would be interested to hear how anyone could defend those actions, if they are indeed true, of course.
[edit on 8/6/04 by The Axeman]
I Also find this strange every Catholic on the board is quick enough to post stating that another Catholic secret society is just another fraternal group.
Originally posted by KSigMason
reply to post by vcwxvwligen
Are you saying that the founders of the Knights Templars were white trash, common folk criminals?