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Obama's social security number goes to court? (suspected fraud)

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posted on Feb, 17 2011 @ 04:17 PM
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Originally posted by Califemme
It is ok to ask, and it's none of your business.


OK. You said you are a naturalized citizen. If you are a naturalized citizen, that means you weren't born here. You have naturalization papers. Naturalization is a process. Do you remember going through that process?



You are calling me a liar and I don't appreciate it one bit.


I didn't call you anything. You claimed Obama's grandmother said he was born in Kenya and I showed you that it had been debunked. Did you bother to look?



And guess what? Lucas Smith swears that he has the original copy of Obama's bc which he bought and paid for in Mombasa, Kenya, so you are calling him a liar too.


I am most definitely calling Lucas Smith a liar. And if you believe him, there's no hope of you believing the truth even if it's put right in front of your face. If you believe Lucas Smith, you'll believe anything.



there's a gag order on all Africans talking to the press.


Like I said, you'll believe anything. Do you just make this stuff up as you go along and hope that people believe you without sources? Sorry, I don't believe there is a gag order on all Africans talking to the press!


And I can see now I'm wasting my time.


Have a nice day.




posted on Feb, 17 2011 @ 04:22 PM
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I very much care that the Constitutional requirements are met.


Like hell you do!!! If you did you would be demanding further investigation like the rest of us "Birthers"



posted on Feb, 17 2011 @ 04:37 PM
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I have never demanded that any president show the US citizenry proof of citizenship. Have you? I mean before Obama?

I accept that Obama has proven his eligibility as required by the process and rules in existence at the time of his nomination.



posted on Feb, 17 2011 @ 04:47 PM
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Ah... I never thought I'd see the day...

Palin Gets It Right



"Do you question his faith and citizenship?" Palin was asked today during an onstage interview hosted by the Long Island Association. Her answer was brief and to the point.

"I don't, and those are distractions," she said to some applause. "What we're concerned about is the economy. And we're concerned about the policies coming out of his administration and what he believes in terms of big government or private sector. So, no, the faith, the birth certificate, others can engage in that kind of conversation. It's distracting. It gets annoying and let's just stick with what really matters."



posted on Feb, 17 2011 @ 05:13 PM
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Riddle me this: Why did the DNC sign then submit 2 different Official Certification of Nomination documents to all 50 states?


...The fact that TWO DNC Certifications exist, both signed, dated and notarized by the same individuals on the same day, means that a very real conspiracy to commit election fraud was underway, and since it took until six months after the election to uncover it, the conspiracy was indeed successful...

...Last, this story confirms that some form of a conspiracy to mislead and ultimately defraud voters took place at the top of the Democrat Party. No story in recent history is of greater gravity. Yet, some prefer to focus their attention upon John McCain, who was not only a well known war hero from a well known US Military family of distinction, but a Senate confirmed Natural Born Citizen who was NOT elected President. Others prefer to focus attention on a typo missed by spellchecker, and still others hope to derail the story by asserting that Hawaii’s doc changes the only question raised by this report – Why TWO documents? Why eliminate constitutional text from any of them?

canadafreepress.com...


Look, there's only one question left, do YOU support us VOTERS looking at it (bc) once and for all before the next election?



posted on Feb, 17 2011 @ 05:42 PM
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Originally posted by Califemme
Riddle me this: Why did the DNC sign then submit 2 different Official Certification of Nomination documents to all 50 states?


Because Hawaii's Election law demands that the Nomination Certificate have the Constitutional language on it.
See This Post

Check out that whole thread if you really want the information.




Look, there's only one question left,


No, you look. I have answered every question you have asked me, most times with sources and I have been civil while doing it. I can't say the same for you. You have yet to answer ONE question of mine. So, no, I don't think I'll answer any more of your questions.
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edit on 2/17/2011 by Benevolent Heretic because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 17 2011 @ 06:37 PM
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Originally posted by Califemme

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by Califemme
Is your stance that you don't care, or that it doesn't matter?


Neither. I very much care that the Constitutional requirements are met. I just don't have any reason to believe that they weren't. It's clear to me that this birther movement is based on unsubstantiated rumors. That's it. They have nothing.

I also believe that Obama has the same Constitutional rights to his privacy as anyone does.


Wow, just wow. So you say you DO care that the requirements are met. You don't believe there's an issue, and we do. So why do you care if WE verify, by looking at his birth certificate?

And for the record, he does NOT have the same rights to privacy simply because he holds the top job in the world.

So I ask you again, why do YOU care if the rest of us doubters want to verify his eligibility?

Now I'll tell you why I care:
1) I am a naturalized citizen, just like Barak Obama. That is why he's not eligible. He has one foreign parent, just like I did.
2) I saw it live on CNN when his Kenyan grandmother stated in no uncertain terms that she was in the room when he was born. And then she stated that she's never been out of Kenya.
3) He refuses to release any records. Including his original birth certificate.
4) The Governor of Hawaii admits there isn't a birth certificate for Obama.
5) The Kenyan Ambassador has admitted it's well known in Kenya that Barak Obama Jr was born in Kenya.
6) Barak Obama himself has fought every court case re his birth certificate, as opposed to simply showing it.

Number six is the biggie. Why would you file writ after writ to block showing your birth certificate, knowing that the country is in dire economic straits. He is using OUR money to fight these charges, and he is FIGHTING these charges as opposed to showing ONE LOUSY PIECE OF PAPER.

These are my doubts and you want ME and ALL other BIRTHERS to just go away and STHU because YOU believe the first forged document he presented. Sorry, but a great man once said "Trust. But Verify."


As long as you were born in the US and subjected to the jurisdction thereof you are eligible to run for office, especially POTUS as 7 Presidents have at least 1 parent born outside of the nation. That is that.



posted on Feb, 17 2011 @ 06:58 PM
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Ben,

Let us not feed the trolls and the Baggers who want it "Their way or the highway" as the only reason why the Baggers exist is because the GOP and Dems are no longer doing the bidding of TPTB and realize that we have all been conned so in a last grasp effort have suckered the Baggers into doing their bidding as they won't dare question a thing hence why there is no national party to answer to and the fact that the entire overall architecture of the entire Bagger groups is setup exactly like that of a terrorist organization. Terrorists doing the bidding on behalf of Big Oil, the banks, The Federal Reserve and TPTB. Just the latest spacegoats.

They can't come back at us on facts so they are trying to use the Class Warfafe tactic that we all know is employed only and exclusively when they have no real platform or foundation to stand on. Stars for you.
edit on 17-2-2011 by TheImmaculateD1 because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 17 2011 @ 06:58 PM
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by Califemme
Riddle me this: Why did the DNC sign then submit 2 different Official Certification of Nomination documents to all 50 states?


Because Hawaii's Election law demands that the Nomination Certificate have the Constitutional language on it.
See This Post

Check out that whole thread if you really want the information.




Look, there's only one question left,


No, you look. I have answered every question you have asked me, most times with sources and I have been civil while doing it. I can't say the same for you. You have yet to answer ONE question of mine. So, no, I don't think I'll answer any more of your questions.
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edit on 2/17/2011 by Benevolent Heretic because: (no reason given)


I honestly have no idea why you keep quoting me if you don't want to continue the conversation. This is like a bad movie. I have doubts and for some reason you want to ridicule me for my persistence in knowing the truth.

Deny Ignorance! Why the TWO DOCUMENTS? Why did a seperate document need to be signed, notarized and sent to the other 49 states?

I'll TELL you WHY. Because had they sent the "constitutionally eligible" document to the other 49 states, Nancy Pelosi and Howard Dean would go to jail for perjury in many states. You know what the penalty is for perjury in Hawaii?

I'll give ya a hint: It's a Misdemeanor

A false statement made under oath may constitute a misdemeanor if (a) it is made in an official proceeding, or (b) it is made with intent to mislead a public servant in the performance of the public servant's official duty. The statement need not be a "materially false statement." The offense is labeled false swearing to authorities.

False swearing, a residual offense, makes all other false statements, made under an oath required or authorized by law, a petty misdemeanor. In addition to other cases, this offense would cover falsification in a written statement which, pursuant to a requirement or authorization of law, has been sworn to before a notary, in a strictly private transaction. It would also cover a false affidavit filed with the government but not in an official proceeding, regardless of materiality or intent to mislead.

The final offense in this quartet does not require that the statement be under oath. Indeed, that statement need not be written; the falsification can be in the form of submission of, or invitation to rely on, false samples, specimens, maps, boundary-marks, or other objects. However, the falsification must be made with intent to mislead a public servant in the performance of the public servant's official duty.
www.capitol.hawaii.gov...


I have no doubt the truth will come out. It ALWAYS does.



posted on Feb, 17 2011 @ 07:03 PM
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I never see the point in these Obama birth certificate, SSN threads.

Do you really want Joe Biden to run this country?



posted on Feb, 17 2011 @ 07:08 PM
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Originally posted by WhateverHappens
I never see the point in these Obama birth certificate, SSN threads.

Do you really want Joe Biden to run this country?


That's the point! Biden NOR Obama is eligible to run this country. Obama by birth, Biden by being chosen by Obama.

Don't you get it? Every law he has signed, every treaty with any foreign country, any appointments he has made will be nullified by his fraudulent actions.

Does that answer it for you? Either we are a nation of laws, or not. Does it matter to YOU?



posted on Feb, 17 2011 @ 07:13 PM
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The long range goal here of The Baggers and TPTB is the erradication of the Constitution to all non whites, the end of the sovereignty of The United states, errosion of protections and regulations. Continued outsourcing the utter end of the USA.
edit on 17-2-2011 by TheImmaculateD1 because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 17 2011 @ 07:17 PM
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We are a ntion of laws and not a nation of laws that are only cited when it's beneficial for one group and not another, when we have that it's tyranny and dictatorial oppression.

If you really cared about this nation how about helping the nation solve it's problems by ending foreign control over key elements of our nation and infastructure, guaranteeing that if somone has a job today that it won't get sent overseas in favour of foriegn labour. No real platform.

Palin thought that "War with the Russian Federation would be a "Good idea"". That is not someone I want having access to "The Football".

Since you have no idea what "The Football" is let me school you on it :
en.wikipedia.org...

Since based on your handle and nothing else you are a female and guess what, they want to take away your right to have an abortion, deny you rights by forcing you back into the kitchen also if your boyfriend beats you they want you to not have a right to have him locked up. Force you to give up your job, your car ad if you own property they want you stripped of that.
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posted on Feb, 17 2011 @ 07:28 PM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
reply to post by WhateverHappens
 


The long range goal here of The Baggers and TPTB is the erradication of the Constitution to all non whites, the end of the sovereignty of The United states, errosion of protections and regulations. Continued outsourcing the utter end of the USA.
edit on 17-2-2011 by TheImmaculateD1 because: (no reason given)


WTH is that supposed to mean? I am a "non-white," does that matter to you? Just the fact that you would even put "non-white" makes me think ethnicity and a person's color is of the utmost importance to you, and I don't think in a "good' way.



posted on Feb, 17 2011 @ 07:29 PM
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Anyone who isn't white and don't vote GOP is the enemy in their mindset. Join the Dems and we will not ever deny you rights and will work to protect them.



posted on Feb, 17 2011 @ 07:31 PM
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Taitz contends the Social Security number Obama has used the most often since around 1980 was, according to Lexis Nexis and Choice Point, initially assigned to an elderly individual born in 1890 who resided in

the point.



posted on Feb, 17 2011 @ 07:36 PM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
reply to post by Califemme
 


We are a ntion of laws and not a nation of laws that are only cited when it's beneficial for one group and not another, when we have that it's tyranny and dictatorial oppression.

If you really cared about this nation how about helping the nation solve it's problems by ending foreign control over key elements of our nation and infastructure, guaranteeing that if somone has a job today that it won't get sent overseas in favour of foriegn labour. No real platform.

Palin thought that "War with the Russian Federation would be a "Good idea"". That is not someone I want having access to "The Football".

Since you have no idea what "The Football" is let me school you on it :
en.wikipedia.org...

Since based on your handle and nothing else you are a female and guess what, they want to take away your right to have an abortion, deny you rights by forcing you back into the kitchen also if your boyfriend beats you they want you to not have a right to have him locked up. Force you to give up your job, your car ad if you own property they want you stripped of that.
edit on 17-2-2011 by TheImmaculateD1 because: (no reason given)


Where do you come up with this stuff?

1) "not a nation of laws that are only cited when it's beneficial for one group and not another" Hmmm Birth Certificate Deniers, anyone?

2) Why do you keep bringing Palin up to me? Just because you want to bag her, don't bring me into your fantasies.

3) I've read Dereliction of Duty by Col. Buzz Paterson's, and I can assure you, I know what "the Football" is.

4) Abortion is murder.

5) Where DO you get this stuff? WHO wants to do all these bad things to me? Who is "they"? Baggers?



posted on Feb, 17 2011 @ 07:41 PM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
reply to post by Califemme
 


Anyone who isn't white and don't vote GOP is the enemy in their mindset. Join the Dems and we will not ever deny you rights and will work to protect them.


I'm positive you won't believe a word I say, but perhaps you'll hear and understand it from a black man's perpsective on who EXACTLY wants minorities and women to suffer from lack of rights.




This is the kind of BS spewed by Democrats on a daily basis, and unfortunately the media and other so-called watchdogs are so apparently ignorant of American history, Democrats continue to LIE through their teeth to their constituents, and via academia, to our kids. Despite the truth being out there for years, it’s probably not going to explode until some big shot news anchor gives us an “explosive expose” bringing us all those facts first, so he/she can proudly receive a Pulitzer…

While I have only scratched the surface of civil rights history, here’s an except from yet another list of historical bullet points that dispute Democrat claims of civil rights support. As you read through it, remember, Democrats claim they “are unwavering in our support of equal opportunity for all Americans. That’s why we’ve worked to pass every one of our nation’s Civil Rights laws”…

September 24, 1957
Sparking criticism from Democrats such as Senators John Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson, President Dwight Eisenhower deploys the 82nd Airborne Division to Little Rock, AR to force Democrat Governor Orval Faubus to integrate public schools

May 6, 1960
President Dwight Eisenhower signs Republicans’ Civil Rights Act of 1960, overcoming 125-hour, around-the-clock filibuster by 18 Senate Democrats

May 2, 1963
Republicans condemn Democrat sheriff of Birmingham, AL for arresting over 2,000 African-American schoolchildren marching for their civil rights

September 29, 1963
Gov. George Wallace (D-AL) defies order by U.S. District Judge Frank Johnson, appointed by President Dwight Eisenhower, to integrate Tuskegee High School

June 9, 1964
Republicans condemn 14-hour filibuster against 1964 Civil Rights Act by U.S. Senator and former Ku Klux Klansman Robert Byrd (D-WV), who still serves in the Senate
www.black-and-right.com...


It's ALL there going back centuries. You really should know your facts before you try to educate others. And yes, I know Robert Byrd is dead. At the time of writing this article, your Byrd WAS still alive. Get that? Former KKK member - US Democrat Senator from VA. And you uys were woriied about our "witch"?

edit on 17-2-2011 by Califemme because: I must.



posted on Feb, 17 2011 @ 07:43 PM
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Seems to me that the Supreme Court is at least interested in looking into the issue once again. Ergo, it would seem that the issue is NOT settled as some of you worshippers are claiming. Read it and weep right here!



posted on Feb, 17 2011 @ 07:51 PM
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Originally posted by Califemme

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
reply to post by Califemme
 


We are a ntion of laws and not a nation of laws that are only cited when it's beneficial for one group and not another, when we have that it's tyranny and dictatorial oppression.

If you really cared about this nation how about helping the nation solve it's problems by ending foreign control over key elements of our nation and infastructure, guaranteeing that if somone has a job today that it won't get sent overseas in favour of foriegn labour. No real platform.

Palin thought that "War with the Russian Federation would be a "Good idea"". That is not someone I want having access to "The Football".

Since you have no idea what "The Football" is let me school you on it :
en.wikipedia.org...

Since based on your handle and nothing else you are a female and guess what, they want to take away your right to have an abortion, deny you rights by forcing you back into the kitchen also if your boyfriend beats you they want you to not have a right to have him locked up. Force you to give up your job, your car ad if you own property they want you stripped of that.
edit on 17-2-2011 by TheImmaculateD1 because: (no reason given)


Where do you come up with this stuff?

1) "not a nation of laws that are only cited when it's beneficial for one group and not another" Hmmm Birth Certificate Deniers, anyone? - Selective law enforcement courtesy of The Baggers.

2) Why do you keep bringing Palin up to me? Just because you want to bag her, don't bring me into your fantasies. - I've met her in 07 and can tell you she is as much of an airhead in person as she appears on tv, would've been too easy to hit that.

3) I've read Dereliction of Duty by Col. Buzz Paterson's, and I can assure you, I know what "the Football" is.

4) Abortion is murder. - There are dispensations that exist whereas if you cannot provide the kid with the life that all kids deserve protocols exist to terminate pregnancy. Also, abortion is allowable in cases whereas a female wasn't a willing participant in the act in cases of rape and incest.

5) Where DO you get this stuff? WHO wants to do all these bad things to me? Who is "they"? Baggers? - The money men of TPTB using the Baggers to errode the nation and to bring forth a Civil War if they don't get their way


Answered in quote.



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