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Originally posted by dsm1664
reply to post by destination now
I'm thinking it's probably just a coincidence.
I was brought up in Gravesend, known by my friends and I as Gravo. People probably did the same thing with Chatham, and called people 'Chavs'.
So in certain areas of the UK, there are different meanings of the word. Doesn’t mean that people from Chatham adopted an old Gypsy word. The evolution of the word in Kent, was derived by people in Chatham being called 'Chavs'. That area of Kent is like a less maintained "Essex", meaning the kids wear expensive brands (mostly fake) but don't have orange faces and bleached hair. A more rough look. Then over the last 10 years the word has become associated with 'lower classes' dressing in that style.
So we're probably both correct, but all I'm saying is generally when you hear the word 'chav' in the UK, most don't think of Gypsies, but of youths wearing designer gear.
The word 'Pikey' is the word in that area that is associated with travellers.
Also, they are mostly Irish Travellers...not Romanyedit on 17-2-2011 by dsm1664 because: (no reason given)
Yes they certainly do enjoy tarmacing drives, they did my Dads, it turned out not to be the bargain he'd hoped for. Just to lighten the thread a little though, this tv programme is top class entertainment, better than any soap opera ive ever seen, and apparantly it pulled in more viewers than the Brit awards, ITS OFFICIAL !! "dirty thieving gypos" are more entertaining than Rihanna and Justin Bieber !!!
Originally posted by destination now
reply to post by halfoldman
Yes, I've seen Brad attempting to mimic the "pikey" speak. The language is an art form....is it Irish? Is it Scottish? Is it English? It changes all the time, as do their names, with whole communities adopting a group name, with variations of spelling e.g. McDonah, McDonagh, MacDonach and every other conceivable variation (and that's just one of the Scottish versions!) The trick is to speak quickly in an indeterminable accent, so that no one really catches what is being said (useful for negotiating a contract to tarmac your driveway, then changing the terms of the contract once they've ripped your old driveway up!) And if you've seen the film, you'll see that the reluctance to deal with the "pikeys" is clearly portrayed, and for good reason! But I think the reason that they are sort of portrayed as heroes is as much to do with Guy Ritchie's anti-hero theme in his movies, as opposed to a genuine attempt to portray the "pikeys" as decent people.
Yes, there are many genuine, decent people within the Gypsy Travelling communities, but there is also a very negative, problematic section as well, and it's not limited to just a few, there are hoardes of non specfic travellers, who do cause many problems in many areas, not just, as the OP suggests for the rich landowners, but for ordinary people in towns all around the UK.
Originally posted by thedoctorswife
reply to post by destination now
My post was meant to be taken with a little humour and a pinch of salt. Of course my opinions (not even opinions more like observations) were based on the tv programme I said as much. I was trying to lighten the mood with a little humour, of course people from all walks of life come in different shapes and sizes, and as a little girl remember having a MASSIVE gypsy site near where i live. My apologies for thinking that posters on ats where still allowed to have a laugh.
I have to say though, the last thing these people came across as was dirty, ive never seen such immaculate living quarters, maybe they leave their rubbish outside ??