Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
Thing is, "their own race" sold slaves because whites were buying. Basic economics there, you can't have trade in a product unless there's a
demand for it.
Not the whole truth. Whites were far from the sole or even main demand for African slaves. Asians bought, other Africans bought, Middle Easterners
bought. Whites get abuse about slavery because they are less racist, not more.
Yes, there was slave trade all over the old world. As I have [i'aso[/i[ explained earlier in the thread, the system of slavery used in the Americas is
markedly different. Arabs took slaves from East Africa. Know how the African slave could get out of slavery from an Arab master? Convert to Islam.
Alternatively he could work for money to purchase his own freedom (in fact most slave societies, including those in Europe, used the "buy your
freedom" clause). But in America, it was very different
. Once you were a slave in America, that was it. you were a slave until you were dead.
Any children you parented would also be slaves. Anyone who looked like you could be clapped in shackles and called a slave legally, even if they were
technically "free" - and they were in bondage until death, as were their children, their grandchildren, etc.
I know it's uncomfortable for you, as a person of European descent to realize... but Europeans (specifically the Spanish) devised the most brutal
variety of slavery seen in the world. Europeans - again, mainly the Spanish, but with Dutch and English aid - denuded the Caribbean and Florida of
people, even portions of the East Coast, harvesting slaves for their Caribbean plantations and mines. when they ran out of easily enslaved Indians,
they turned to Africa. The desire for free labor, and the extremely high death rate, both in shipping and in the course of labor, resulted in much of
west and Central Africa being literally stripped of people. Just as had happened in North America, entire nations and kingdoms vanished into boats
headed for slave ports.
While some blame can certainly be heaped on the Africans who hunted other Africans, as well as the Indians who hunted other indians, the core of the
problem was the European slave trade. As I said, if you take that out of the picture, and you would not have these instances of massive depopulation
Go be an angry black man or woman in the middle east. Or Japan. Or China. Or another African country. Somewhere else that dealt in African
slaves. No one will give a crap, and they might just kill or jail you. They arent apologists and they dont care if you are butt hurt about what
happened to your ancestors.
Go be an angry White person, or an angry Arab, or an Angry asian in these places. Seriously, it's not a racial thing, it's an authoritarian thing in
these places. Go ahead, go to Singapore and make a fuss on a street corner. Hope you brought bail money.
Im not sure why there is this huge desire to lump all whites into one pot,
There's not. However, there are some damn ugly facts about the European invssion of Africa and the New World that white people are eventually going to
have to open their eyes to and become aware of.
ignore the facts about our multiculturalism, many histories, etc.,
I know you're not talking about me here, nor anyone else who's in support of the various heritage months. As I just pointed out, these observances are
to preserving that mixed culture, those many histories and influences. Without awareness of the many colored bricks that make up the
lego building of our nation, what happens isn't the "melting pot" but rather the "bleach bucket."
and at the same time lump all blacks into one pot, and try to pretend that they are all the same, and ignore the obvious, that they are
Point of contention; the majority of African-Americans do in fact share common cultural ties, which make them a distinct and cohesive culture. There
are of course various subcultures, but, yeah, African-Americans do have a common history to draw on to distinguish themselves.
and that some of the absolute most demonic discrimination and genocide occurs between ethnic groups or nationalities that share the same skin
Not in American history, no. And since we're talking about America here... Frankly even in world history, the biggest butcheries have been committed
against people of different physical appearances. Even the brutality of Rwanda or the Troubles in Ireland, or the Sunni purges of Shia in Iraq, don't
really compare to things such as the Japanese conquest of Manchuria, the near-eradication of the Khoisan peoples in South Africa, or the periodic
European massacres against Roma. I think maybe the most significant "same race" genocide happened in 1916, the Ottoman near-extermination of the
One day I am going to write a book, and it will be titled "The Power of Ow." And it will be an exploration of why people hold on to
victimhood, how they benefit and gain power from their love affair with their suffering. It is really very convenient for them. It allows people to
be amazingly cruel and self centered and violent without their ever having to examine or acknowledge their own nastiness. When you feel YOUR victim
somehow deserves your hatred, you dont have to acknowledge that you are exactly the same as the people who harmed you, or your ancestors. You can
cling to the delusion of righteousness.
I can already tell that in the vein of most such books, it not only will have absolutely no research, but will primarily be peddled through World Net
But it doesnt alter the fact. If you are a racist, you are exactly the same as any other racist. You can claim no moral high ground because
"it was done to me or mine." Why? Because more times than not, the people you victimize with your righteous indignation are innocents. You are just
perpetuating the cycle.
While true, I fail to see the relevance to the discussion; Unless of course you're proclaiming that acknowledging historivcal fact is somehow
"victimizing" someone, in which case, I'm just going to tell you to shut the hell up.
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