Swiss reject tighter gun controls - exit polls

Swiss reject tighter gun controls - exit polls

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Switzerland is holding a referendum aimed at restricting gun ownership.

If approved, it would end the long tradition of Swiss men keeping their army weapons at home both during and after compulsory military service.

Weapons would have to be registered, stored in armouries and owners would have to show they know how to use them.

Supporters of the controls say suicides and gun crime would be reduced. Those against say locking weapons in arsenals would undermine trust in the army.

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For a long time now the Swiss have been renowned and reveiled for their right to keep and bear arms.

Even before WW2 there was a long history of arms being part and parcel of an independent citizenry.
After WW2 the right to bear arms became near-cemented and enshrined as what it means to be Swiss.
Independent, an army that looked after it's own lands and people, plus one that was trusted to own it's own weapons without the over-bearing centralisation of state-driven army.

Assault rifles, hunting rifles and pistols are all mentioned in the same sentence, no restrictions are placed.
Every town and village tends to have a shooting club with weekly meetings for target practise.

That right to bear arms is now under threat by elements of the liberal establishment and the police (no doubt keen to have it's own hedgemony on guns).

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Now the gun control brigade are on the march to drive in the first strike of the thin-end-of-the-wedge.

Just like the UK in 1920, the march of gun control is a progressive one that must be stopped at the roots...

Here's to hoping that smarter, defiant heads prevail:



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cool! then we can roll in and fleece the ignorant bastards. you go Switzerland

Supporters of the controls say suicides and gun crime would be reduced.

As if the criminals will turn in their guns. LMAO

Must be a bunch of Pussy Liberals on this forum for this topic to get such little attention.

Originally posted by amy2x
Must be a bunch of Pussy Liberals on this forum for this topic to get such little attention.

The threads only been going for 20 minutes and you say that??

I'm in Australia, they took most of guns years ago thanks to some false flag event IMO..

What are the Swiss saying about this OP??

can't help but wonder if this story and others like it were the 'catalyst' for this control vote ...
from a 2006 source: news.bbc.co.uk...

The Swiss gun lobby is strong, and until now all attempts at gun control have been defeated.

But when Corinne Rey-Bellet and her brother were buried side-by-side in their home town, on the day that should have been Alain's wedding day, even the most enthusiastic gun owners began to waver.

For the first time, opinion polls show a majority of Swiss want the guns out of their homes, and stored in a safer place.

The days when every Swiss man had a weapon, in the garage next to the kids' bikes or the lawnmower, may be numbered.

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personally, i offer no opinion as it is up to the Swiss ppl to decide.
If they believe a better option exists, they should be free to explore it.
i am not for the recommendations but thankfully they won't apply to me, today.

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OK.... That makes NO sense. It is all about "Suicides". Idiots, if no gun is available and they want to off themselves, then they will just use something else.

www.google.com...

About a quarter of Switzerland's 1,300 suicides each year involved a gun, according to federal statistics. The exact number of military-issued weapons involved is disputed, but those calling for tighter rules claim they account for between 100 and 200 suicides a year, mostly among men.

It is not known how many military-issued guns are involved in homicides each year, though Switzerland's gun murder rate is relatively low — just 24 in 2009, or about 0.3 firearms homicides per 100,000 inhabitants. By comparison, the U.S. rate in 2007 was 4.2 per 100,000 inhabitants.

Wow, a whole whopping 24 murders (where a gun was used) in 2009. Bet more people died from skiing.

The Military Officer has a more probable reason:

The real purpose of this initiative is to weaken the militia army and withdraw the state's confidence in its citizens," says Markus Mueller, spokesman for a group of former and current senior Swiss military officers.
Mueller calls the proposal a left-wing conspiracy to weaken Swiss democracy. "Only a disarmed people can be oppressed. That's why we're against this," he told The Associated Press.

Now that's a statement: "Only a disarmed people can be oppressed. That's why we're against this," he told The Associated Press.

Originally posted by infolurker

The Military Officer has a more probable reason:

The real purpose of this initiative is to weaken the militia army and withdraw the state's confidence in its citizens," says Markus Mueller, spokesman for a group of former and current senior Swiss military officers.
Mueller calls the proposal a left-wing conspiracy to weaken Swiss democracy. "Only a disarmed people can be oppressed. That's why we're against this," he told The Associated Press.

Now that's a statement: "Only a disarmed people can be oppressed. That's why we're against this," he told The Associated Press.

This is as loud a warning as can be sounded to the citizens. I was convinced after reading this:

Weapons would have to be registered, stored in armouries and owners would have to show they know how to use them.

And just who would hold the keys to the armory?

Look at my signature? Exactly, Switzerland if you see this stay neutral!...No need for guns, hand to hand combat gets respect and goes a long ways...Jah Bless

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Amazing, they get to actually vote on their gun rights. It seems that here in America the politicians just decide once they get in office.

And although Switzerland's overall crime rate is low by European standards, supporters of greater gun control point to high levels of suicide using guns.

If crime isn't the problem, it must be suicide. Give me a break, their crime is probably low because smart people don't mess with others that they know might have a gun.

Gun owning Swiss citizen (as opposed to subject) here :-)

I was very anxiously watching the results of this initiative as a lot of emotional campaigning took place.
As shown by current graphics, a majority of the people is AGAINST giving up their gun rights.

Results can be viewed HERE, comments are in German.

Good for them for keeping them.

The gun control people should be deported. Arms(guns in the modern era) are part of the Swiss culture and it should be a crime to try to abolish a part of the Swiss culture.

Guns are what saved Switzerland from being invaded by Hitler.


The soccer moms are apparently gaining ground in Switzerland so their little snowflakes can't be hurt...

Soccer moms will bring the downfall of civilization.

Originally posted by Vitchilo
Good for them for keeping them.

The gun control people should be deported. Arms(guns in the modern era) are part of the Swiss culture and it should be a crime to try to abolish a part of the Swiss culture.

Guns are what saved Switzerland from being invaded by Hitler.


The soccer moms are apparently gaining ground in Switzerland so their little snowflakes can't be hurt...

Soccer moms will bring the downfall of civilization.

edit on 13-2-2011 by Vitchilo because: (no reason given)

It was also to do with the arms industry and precision parts that the 3rd Reich traded for that kept the Swiss out of the reich's clutches.

Soccer moms are normally pro-gun rights are they not? Or is that Hockey Moms?

But I am very relieved that the Swiss voted with their brains and not down to the hysteria that the lunatic gun control fringe like to ferment.
I think if the vote had failed then we'd never of heard the end of it from the gun grabbers...

Yes sorry, for the short notice on this news folks. I only heard about it from a neighbour who sounded the 'alarm' as it were.
He's a socialist but laissez-faire and even he reckoned it's wrong to have the Swiss (or any nation) hand over their gun rights!

It's the UKs turn for Gun Control again (post Cumbria killings), I wonder which way the crooked establishment politicians will vote for what's left of the UKs gun rights??

Lol, really? There excuse for wanting more gun control is suicide? Suicide shouldn't even be considered a crime.

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Guns are what saved Switzerland from being invaded by Hitler.

No, Hitler wasn't given permission to invade Switzerland.

Switzerland was set up by the Elite, primarily through Hapsburg machinations, to serve as a safe place to stash their ill-gotten wealth. Of course, some of that included wealth that Hitler and crew had grabbed, some of which is still in Switzerland to this day, in spite of occasional outrage by Jews, who claim they only got a small part back.

Switzerland came together in the aftermath of Europe's Napoleonic experience, but it's possible plans were in place before that, and certainly if the plan was to eventually perpetrate a continent-wide war, a safe haven needed to be established.

Israel was set up for similar purposes, not for the safe storage of wealth, but to provide a safe-haven for many of the criminals who are aiding and abetting the Elite. Their minions needed to know that they could be given a get-out-of-jail card if push came to shove, otherwise, they might not want to take such risk, and jeopardize their mission.

And on to the USA. The US serves as the club in this neat arrangement, ready to beat anyone into submission who might disagree.

Notice any similarities? All three retain widespread gun ownership and traditions amongst it's citizenry.

Probably just a coincidence.

JR

yes if you have a larger percentage of guns per capita than rest of europe than yes you would likely have more suicides by gun . but on other hand how often do you see terrorist attacking switzerland? they have less all around crime compared to europe why Interpol
no . its because perpetrators are scared of getting shot. in countries where guns are hard to get idiots find other ways to kill themselves sometimes in ways that endanger others how many idiots have parked in front of oncoming train risking not only their lives but trains occupants and people in surronding area

Originally posted by backinblack

Originally posted by amy2x
Must be a bunch of Pussy Liberals on this forum for this topic to get such little attention.

The threads only been going for 20 minutes and you say that??

I'm in Australia, they took most of guns years ago thanks to some false flag event IMO..

What are the Swiss saying about this OP??

I think my point panned out.Topic may have taken off if Aliens could somehow be linked with it.

Here's an intersting video.

Gun Owners are Law Breakers.Take their Guns! NOW!

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Oh my, I'm all in tears. What must gunowners be heartless people. Lets help those poor "professionals" make their live a little easier. [/irony]

I wonder which way the crooked establishment politicians will vote for what's left of the UKs gun rights??

WTF? Dude, you can't even own an air rifle in the UK anymore. What the hell have they got to revise? Are we to hand over our glue guns next?

Thundersmurf...
peace™