Meet the New Boss the Same as the Old Boss, the Tragic Outcome of Egypt’s Revolution

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler

Meanwhile some world leaders are agitating for this process to repeat now in Iran.

This little sentence at the end of one of your posts Proty got the gears rolling on this Monday morning.

Just throwing it out there (from the outfield).

Could this entire change-event which happened in Egypt maybe, just maybe, be an "attempt" to destabilize Iran (specifically) before any military options are enforced? Could this coup have been pushed by "insert-3-letter-agency-here" in the hopes that other middle-eastern countries (read:IRAN) would consider the same?

reply to post by TXRabbit


The Powers that Be tend to think Globally and then Regionally and then Locally.

I am of the opinion that Iran plays a 'central' role in events as they are being driven and sold to the masses, but I don't believe it's a 'primary' focus.

Meaning the Grand Plan involves Iran but the Grand Plan is not Iran in and of itself.

RIght now it appears Egypt was about removing an aging and failing leader of a 'central' nation in the grand plan, who had lost his grip and likely faculties too and putting the military firmly in charge until the next suitable puppet can be found.

There are a few ellements involved regarding Iran that makes it a bit of an enigma to truly figure out what's going on.

Beginning in ancient times the power of the Persian Empire and it's rivalries with the Greco/Roman world, and the many Gnostic Elements woven into Christianity have made Iran a 'player' in the big game for thousands of years.

More recently the rejection of the Anglo/American Corporate Control of it's Oil and Banking has set it at odds with those entities. They don't take it lightly when a state breaks contracts with them and throws off the mantle of control they seek and demand over a state's resrouces and infrastructure.

But at the same time you also have the Pavlavi family the Prince of Persia who as a Royal of a dynasty (the Peacock Throne) has a contractual claim through that, to not just Iran but India as well.

With a vast monetary fortune at his control, and a legacy of a family that has always served the Anglo/American Corporate Shadow Government well, he enjoys a lot of favor amongst some very powerful individuals and organizations including the CIA, MI6, the MOSSAD, the aging members of the SAVAK in exile, many of them wealthy, who are passing their legacy to their Children, plus the other Royals.

Pavlavi in fact funds and coordinates much of what goes on in trying to destablize Iran and chances are if the New World Order crowd can get it's way, Pavlavi would ultimately govern Iran, Afghanistan, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh etc as one of the 13 Official Regions it's reputed they New World Order would like to create as a One World Government.

Then you have Israel, and much of what transpires between Iran and Israel has religious conotations that play into prophecies of all three religions. Whether it's the Christian Book of Revelations the Muslim 12th Iman or Hebrew Armegeddon the cold war of wars that exists between them helps to drive the religious faithful towards the fight their scriptures foretell that results from or leads to a one world government.

So the Powers that Be in my opinion love playing that card, here in the West what I see often is Americans and Brits in particular who love when Muslims fight amongst themselves yet tend to fear who ever comes out on top because they are still Muslim. They tend to root for the apparent least religious Muslim faction and fear the most apparent religious Muslim Fashion in what pretty much remains a thinly veiled Holy Crusade from hostilities that have never quite died or been forgotten stemming from about the 9th century onward.

So figuring out just what is going on with Iran is not as simple as the Facebook and Youtube and Mainstream News accounts would have you believe, most of which are either Pavlavi/CIA driven or funded.

Egypt though in my humble opinion represents an other seperate major piece of the puzzle.

For instance if a shooting war between Iran and Israel started a month ago, it's not likely Mubarak could or would have entered into it on the side of Iran, but if it started tomorrow, the Egyptian military in charge of a country now devoid of a legislature or a constitution is not as bound by Treaties as Camp David, and might very well get the situation on the streets to calm down by joining in as the Arab world's most populace nation against Israel as a result.

What the mainstream news media and politicians never talk about is what is really going on behind the scene, who the real hidden hands, puppet masters and players are and what they are jockying for or hoping to achieve in these sweeping upheavals and chaotic events that lead to so much confusion and uncertainty in the rest of us.

They pretty much just tell us only enough and in a way that will make most of us predisposed to react how our own government would like us to in the situation.

As a result getting to the truth, finding out and knowing exactly what is going on and the wisest way to respond is not very easy for the independent minded responsible critical thinker.

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

So far it looks like it's just an attempt to more or less preserve the status quo as far as every day life, but it certainly could change if the people start challenging Military rule.

I come up with two scenarios:

Scenario one: Tunisia was planned because it's a relatively Liberal country and had good prospects to actually "change" and thus incite neighboring Algeria and then cascade across the Middle East. Instead of invading countries to get them to become "Westernized" .. we incite their youth via the same tools our youth uses and force the rulers hand. A more Western Middle East is friendlier for American and European businesses.

In this scenario, the US did not plan for Egypt to be included, as their government was already pro-US and pro-Israeli (or, at least, not openly hostile) And so caught off guard we had to ensure to Military to take control and promise that if they can end it peacefully the US will continue to fund the military (which we have for the past 30 years). so the Military, only concerned about who pays their paycheck, obliges and does as we wish.

Scenario two: Same as above, the West, most likely the US, orchestrate the events to unfold to give a wave of colored revolutions across the Middle East for the same purposes.. however, Egypt is planned.. because Mubarak was planning on putting his son in control come September, we were nervous and thus led a coup with the US funded military. His son is notorious for being more "aggressive" in all matters of politics, and it's already rumored that all of Mubarak "patronizing" speeches were actually written by his son. running the risk of an arrogant brat taking control of one of the Wests few allies we ousted the entire regime that we put in place to begin with.

The key government I think we hoped would collapse is Iran.. simply because it's another country with a liberal youth like Tunisia .. if they saw what happened there, it would renew hope in Iran.

You can always tell what revolt and revolution we sponsor and supported.. it shows up on our news. Nearly every American is supportive of the revolutions because we demonize the previous dictators (even if we placed them there to begin with).

Whereas just look at Albania.. anti government revolts for several weeks now, casualties in the riots.. not a single word on our MSM. Hell I only knew of it after reading a very brief BBC article.

They pretty much just tell us only enough and in a way that will make most of us predisposed to react how our own government would like us to in the situation.

Well put.

reply to post by Rockpuck


Some very thoughtful and realistic assessments Rockpuck, thanks for taking the time to share those for us all.

Where do you see Egypt heading from here, the natives still appear a bit restless? Will they simmer down as the army waits them out, or do you see the situation detoriating?

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I think that eventually the country will tire it's self out while the military "works on it" and the people will continue on their poverty riddled lives thinking that they "did something" to change the government and so it must be changed. The only way it could deteriorate is 6 months from now the new government isn't adequate. Which really all the military needs to do is add the revisions in the constitution for power sharing and establish clear elections.. but, imo, nothing at all will actually change. And how can it? Egypts main issue, stepping outside of it's governments corruption is that it has waaaayyy to many mouths to feed. All the while average crop yields decline. Egypt in the last 100 years was plagued with poor management that did idiotic things like damming the Nile. A river famous for it's alluvial plains, was dammed.. essentially crippling the farming down river, and reducing the area of irrigation. On top of the fact that Egyptians mostly made their money from tourism and cotton, it's like the entire population of Britain relying on Sheep farmers in Scotland and Wales. Unpractical.

But because of certain subsidies to try and feed the people, Egypt became the most populated country in the Middle East without expanding the economy.. only Iraq has a higher unemployment rate (which is at 43%, though we are not supposed to know that) .. Egypt, who doesn't have oil to sell, can't afford world class universities needed to bring in talent and expand industry.. which no ME country has been able to do anyways. The entire region is rather void of material needed for manufacturing of anything useful to the rest of the world, and their cash crops are mostly redundant.. outside of oil, their really isnt a ME niche market except perhaps tourism, and a tiny fledgling tech market. The youth want jobs.. but there simply isn't any.. putting your country in Martial Law is no way to bring in businesses...