Herbal Medicine Wil Be Banned From April in the EU

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posted on Feb, 12 2011 @ 09:41 AM
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Sensationalize much? Herbal medicine is not being banned, that much is just an outright lie. What is happening is licensing in what is currently an unregulated free-for-all where what you buy off the shelf is in no way guaranteed to contain what is on the label. For the hard of thinking that means I can no longer sell you rat poison and claim its tea tree oil without breaking the law, which is a good thing.




posted on Feb, 12 2011 @ 10:13 AM
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I can sit on your side as to the safety factor but this will shut down a lot of Chinese, Ayurvedic doctors practising as the ingredients they used will now be certified as unsafe.
Only 90 herbal remedies will be available which will lead to people going online and buy it from dubious sources now?

So one of the banned herbs is black cohosh which is used by menopausal women and helps a lot to alleviate hot sweats etc.... So women will have to now go down the road of pharmaceutical means to control it now?
Nothing will stop this but I am fearful now of hearing future accounts of peeps buying on the net and dying as a result of not being allowed to buy herbs from reputable sources like Holland and Barrett that have been proven to work for thousands of years.

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posted on Feb, 12 2011 @ 10:51 AM
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Im almost sure that any natural remedies which do work and are tested to work, will become available, and like another poster has said, they are NOT banning, they are just changing the system so natural remedies need to be licensed first, a lot of stuff on the market is acctually very dangerous for your health and has killed people, and also a lot of stuff is just crap scam # which doesnt work, theres probably more fake stuff out there that doesnt work than real stuff that does work, so hopefully this will stop that aswell

in my eyes this is a good thing, making it safer all round and still letting certain remedies which have been proven to work still be available.



posted on Feb, 12 2011 @ 11:38 AM
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Exactly!



posted on Feb, 12 2011 @ 11:41 AM
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Originally posted by kalenga

I can sit on your side as to the safety factor but this will shut down a lot of Chinese, Ayurvedic doctors practising as the ingredients they used will now be certified as unsafe.



Goods not submitted for licensing are not being deemed unsafe, that would be a ridiculous claim unless there was testing on them to justify it. Those that are submitted can actually be tested and will be deemed safe or unsafe for sale. I wont argue that this will not affect some businesses as there will undoubtedly be some products where the cost of licensing makes the sale of those products uneconomical.


Only 90 herbal remedies will be available which will lead to people going online and buy it from dubious sources now?


From my understanding only 90 have been submitted for testing/licensing, hence their availability. Surely that number will grow.


So one of the banned herbs is black cohosh which is used by menopausal women and helps a lot to alleviate hot sweats etc.... So women will have to now go down the road of pharmaceutical means to control it now?


If it's that popular then it must be profitable. If it is profitable then there should be no problem with licensing it. Perhaps if more people were educated towards the benefits of herbal remedies, and they were proven to work, then not only would there be proven alternatives to big pharma but those buying these remedies could also be assured of their quality. What's stopping retailers from buying herbal products from licensed manufacturers? Would that not avoid the need for individual licenses for individual products for each retailer but also help alleviate costs involved in licensing directly?


Nothing will stop this but I am fearful now of hearing future accounts of peeps buying on the net and dying as a result of not being allowed to buy herbs from reputable sources like Holland and Barrett that have been proven to work for thousands of years.


Already happens. The whole point of licensing is to stop people from dying or being seriously injured by charlatans and unscrupulous salesmen flogging fake or substandard products and snake oil. And somehow I don't see Holland & Barrett going out of business any time soon.



posted on Feb, 12 2011 @ 11:57 AM
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Originally posted by kalenga

Herbal Medicine Wil Be Banned From April in the EU


www.pranapositive.com

In April 2011, European legislation which has already been PASSED will come into force which will effectively mean that ALL Herbal medicines will disappear from the UK. No Ayurvedic (Indian) herbs, no Chinese herbs, no Western herbs, no Tibetan herbs, NO MEDICINAL HERBS WHATSOEVER. You will only have access to treatments which are Pharmaceutical Drugs based in order to treat your own and your families ailments. No access to ANY MEDICINAL HERBS.
(visit the link for the full news article)


Related News Links:
www.nimh.org.uk
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Can we all say, "thanks Monsanto!". It's coming folks, plants that won't produce viable seed, GM plants that can resist the enormous amounts of Aluminum being sprayed via chemtrails but not your heirlum seeds, Outlawing homegardens and trade with your neighbors. This is a systematic destruction of 1000's of years of instinct and tradition.

Don't worry about growing your own food - just trust monsanto! No thanks. Who knows what the effects are of messing with millions of years of evolution and then ingesting it.



posted on Feb, 12 2011 @ 12:31 PM
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got drugged today?

related:
Antipsychotic drugs could shrink patients' brains




Experts say findings should not dramatically change current prescription practices.


www.nature.com...
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posted on Feb, 12 2011 @ 12:36 PM
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Your are entirely right, it is conspiracy type mutterings a way to stop you being an individual. You will be treated by Big Brother, they will know everything you take. In some legislation I have seen in the US, its being discussed to prevent you growing your own food or herbs!
How much will the 'safe' herbal remedies cost now? I bet the price goes sky high? The New World Order would like us to all become uniform, no individuality.
Imagine growing peppermint in a secret garden at the back of your garden as it is on the list of banned herbs?
You would be treated the same as if you are growing cannabis.
How this pans out is a political and social nightmare as police arrest granny Smith for growing aloe vera!
How many conventional drugs have killed people versus herbal remedies? I can guess it is 10000 to 1 even without doing any research.
This is conformity gone mad. I will research more as this has really got on my goat today.

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posted on Feb, 12 2011 @ 01:13 PM
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if this isn't bad enough, y'all should follow up with the residents of the Gulf region who are being 'prescribed' herbals as some 'pharmaceutical' treatment.

the lady i watched in a video showed her meds lined up on a table and out of 1/2 dozen, 1 was an actual pharm (ibuprophen) ... all the others were herbal and she was 'making' her own colloidal silver (as prescribed).
we're talkin' basics here ... echinacea, B12, Vitamins ... unfreakinbelievable to me.

for the youngins out there who aren't aware, colloidals (both silver and gold) were the medical standard cast aside upon the discovery and production of penicillin. colloidal silver was recognized as the 'cure all' much like penicillin was 40yrs ago. Many families made their own. after the pharms took over, colloidals were frowned upon.
www.silvermedicine.org...

*** here's an interesting news piece from the site above ***

Silver Nanoparticles Introduced into Fashion Wear
Fashion designers and fibre scientists at Cornell University have designed a silver-impregnated cotton-based garment that can prevent colds and flu and never needs washing.

Fashion designer Olivia Ong and fibre scientists at Cornell University have designed a garment that can prevent colds and flu and never needs washing. The team has also created another product that destroys harmful gases and protects the wearer from smog and air pollution.

The two-toned gold dress and metallic denim jacket, featured at the April 21 Cornell Design League fashion show, contain cotton fabrics coated with nanoparticles that give them functional qualities never before seen in the fashion world.

Silver possesses natural antibacterial qualities that are strengthened at the nanoscale, giving Ong's dress the ability to deactivate many harmful bacteria and viruses. The silver infusion also reduces the need to wash the garment, since it destroys bacteria, and the small size of the particles prevents soiling and stains.

source: www.silvermedicine.org...

wow, talk about engineering the deaths of millions ... will you get to choose between the red or blue pill?
psssst --> anyone notice the 2nd article above is from a 2007 printing?
just wondering, since this is the first i've heard of it ... aside from the fashionistas, is this news to you too?
i can't help but wonder why something like this wasn't employed or mass produced during the H1N outbreak.
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posted on Feb, 12 2011 @ 04:41 PM
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Watch this thought provoking documentary on the issue of adopting the issue of making herbal remedies outlawed, with Mel Gibson taking part in a mock advert. In it he is taking vitamin C tablets in his kitchen and the police raid his home as it is outlawed to have these in your home. Loads of info that summarises this whole thread. Pharmaceutical, oil companies are at the heart of the codex process to stop free trade of medicines and natural remedies throughout the world. Dame Judi Dench is the narrator of this documentary:

www.winhs.org...

This video came from this excellent website with more documentaries on this very issue:

www.winhs.org...

Even Prince Charles has put his concerns to the Health Minister in the UK about the new legislation:

www.telegraph.co.uk...

It is not too late, please take the time to sign this petition:

www.ipetitions.com...

As it says on the petition: "We are signing to honour those who fought to protect the freedoms we stand to loose."

all these celebrities are joining hands to safeguard our right to choose our own healthcare whether it is conventional or complementary:

www.grammasintl.com...

I am more angrier than ever reading all this stuff and watching this video now!
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posted on Feb, 12 2011 @ 06:58 PM
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Surely a way around this is to sell the herbs but without making the medicinal claims? After all, that's the stated problem, right?

If I sell you a bunch of crushed dandelion leaves and tell you they'll cure cancer, then to my mind it's right that that should be stopped unless there's evidence to prove it - otherwise we're back to the days of snake-oil salesmen.

But the govt can't outlaw me just selling dandelion leaves and making no claims about what they'll do for you, surely...

Am I wrong here? Is that what's gonna happen come April?
edit on 12/2/2011 by GoldenChild because: got the month wrong :p



posted on Feb, 12 2011 @ 09:05 PM
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Your ignorance is too obvious to point out...but I will, Your ignorance of the origins of all drugs and there being synthesized from herbs, minerals and animal components from their beginning just shows your lack of capacity to participate in a discussion on the matter. Baseless opinions are, well baseless. The USA pharmacopoeia 1976 had the exact same ratios of plant,animal and mineral sources as Galen's Materia Medica circa 100 AD Rome.

The inventor of modern drug therapy, DR. John Uri Lloyd, after creating a number of resinoids and single constituent extracts made notes after extended study as to the utterly harmful effects of said compounds and continued his use of fluid extracts , tinctures from a lloyd vacuum still, specific singles and whole plant remedies.

Foolish people who think the AMA has the best science available with their silly 90 or so years of experience as opposed to VOLUMES of thousands of years of Ayurvedic, Chinese, etc.. traditional medicines, are just as stated.

If this is true, it is a travesty, not for me and mine as we are trained herbalists who can find medicine in forests to alleys, but those of you who shoot them down will be victims of your deadly drugs, spontaneously defecating whil you walk from one appointment to the pharmacy for your prescription to cure the affliction caused by your previous precription...ENJOY, I laugh in your general direction.

I pray the people of the world do not allow this entire miscarriage of justice to take place.



posted on Feb, 12 2011 @ 09:18 PM
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Monopolizing medicine, wow society has hit an all new low



posted on Feb, 13 2011 @ 01:00 AM
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I agree with the above poster about sensationalisation. Have you considered that the people who make herbal medicine are companies too? I worked in a lab once that used to do a lot of testing for a herbal company here in Australia, to try and work out the scientific mechanisms behind how some of their products work without the use of animal testing. The rep from that company told us all sorts of stories about very high profile herbal medicine companies and even some of the more niche companies selling chinese herbs to alternative medicine therapists and how a few of their products were found to have certain chemicals in them that were very toxic. Some of the chinese herbs these companies sold didn't even have the ingredients they were claiming to have in them.

Safety regulations are a must.



posted on Apr, 6 2011 @ 02:28 PM
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well, this wont stop me from buying at www.medsofnature.eu




posted on Apr, 6 2011 @ 02:44 PM
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I had heard somewhere that the royals use homeopathic medicine, as well as herbals.
Im sure they will still get whatever they want.

better stock up on what you need, sorry to hear about that. Its a shame, they are just giving into big pharma.



posted on Apr, 6 2011 @ 11:55 PM
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Originally posted by quackers
The whole point of licensing is to stop people from dying or being seriously injured by charlatans and unscrupulous salesmen flogging fake or substandard products and snake oil.


You will probably also find some of those doing all the protesting are those people trying to sell snake oil and substandard products and are upset their little profit spinner is coming to a close!



posted on Apr, 7 2011 @ 12:19 AM
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Originally posted by kalenga

Herbal Medicine Wil Be Banned From April in the EU


www.pranapositive.com

In April 2011, European legislation which has already been PASSED will come into force which will effectively mean that ALL Herbal medicines will disappear from the UK. No Ayurvedic (Indian) herbs, no Chinese herbs, no Western herbs, no Tibetan herbs, NO MEDICINAL HERBS WHATSOEVER. You will only have access to treatments which are Pharmaceutical Drugs based in order to treat your own and your families ailments. No access to ANY MEDICINAL HERBS.
(visit the link for the full news article)


Related News Links:
www.nimh.org.uk
en-gb.facebook.com
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Idk what to way to say. This is just so #ed.

It's the EXACT opposite to what we need to be doing!



posted on Apr, 30 2011 @ 08:11 PM
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S&F for this thread.
I would hate to think that those of us who "choose" to use natural remedies rather than "manufactured medicines" to obtain relief from our ailments will be forced to support the large pharmaceutical companies bottom line.

It's already hard enough to eat foods that are not laced with additives, preservatives, fillers and other ingredients that the normal person cannot even pronounce let alone explain what they are. And the truly sad thing is the foods that are best for us cost more than the 'highly processed' substitutes.

I know myself that a rheumatologist had me taking Mobicox for arthritis in my knees and wrists and when I complained that I was having stomach upsets from it he added another drug Pariat (sp) to counter the effects of the first drug. Well I took these medicines for a little over a year until the "Celebrex" side effects issue came into the MSM. I told my family doctor that I no longer wanted to be on these drugs and was quitting them, his comment was to try it and see how it goes. Well it has now been 5-6 years, and yes I still have days when my knees ache in the mornings and I use A535 like hand cream, but I would rather have some pain and rely on exercise to keep moving than depend on too many drugs and worry about interactions.

This same specialist wanted to inject cortisone into my shoulder to relieve the symptoms of a "frozen shoulder". An affliction that will eventually work itself out over time if you perform exercises to keep it moving and listen to your own limitations. For some who can't, or won't invest the time and effort , maybe that is an option--but not for me.

I guess if they can take away our herbal remedies, then they will begin to attack the massage therapists, physiotherapy and acupuncture/acupressure practitioners, faith healers, and nutritionists,etc. Next step would be to prevent those who use the power of thought to cease and desist thinking.

Thanks for letting me vent,
YogaGinns

NB: Those who anger you, control you.

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posted on Apr, 30 2011 @ 08:25 PM
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NO. The whole point of licensing is to tax it and control it.. JUST like big pharma does now with your medication.

Herbal is free for all and should be.. who gives them the right to control a natural substance, and claim/regulate it!!!

this is utterly insane.. truly insane.. how about stop pollution from your cars and regulate all the poison you output onto this planet ! stop regulating something which you did not create and deem profitable.. greed and control is ruining the planet.. i hope they take away things which you use freely and say ok.. well we now need to regulate it. this is B> S!!!! how can people let something like this happen with out voicing themselves ! people are comfortable in their own for now, until they strip away what they use.. ! im so upset .. this is deeper than regulating .. this is about control over whats free and to make a profit.. PERIOD!





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